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The shame of FIFA - Don't be silent

bwtcf
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Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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foal30
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Top website from a top fella.

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Enzo Giordani
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Thanks for sharing this Brandon!  I've been thinking about what we can do around the U20 World Cup in terms of a grassroots campaign, and the suggestion Sharan makes about everyone turning up wearing stickers about Qatar... What do others think? Would there be people here who are willing to put some energy into this? Would we get good take up? I'm yet to meet anyone from anywhere on the political spectrum who doesn't support the campaign.

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I'm in two minds about this, while I don't like what is happening with FIFA and in Qatar. I'm not sure I want to do something to distract from having this great event in New Zealand.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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Using it to make a stand against human rights abuses = making it a better event IMO

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Oska
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It would be highly irresponsible to not boo Sepp Blatter should he make any public appearances.

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Oska wrote:

It would be highly irresponsible to not boo Sepp Blatter should he make any public appearances.

The loudest boo I have ever heard was at the Asian Cup final when he was introduced before he presented the trophy. He seemed somewhat miffed that people were booing him.

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This will be sure the worst world cup ever, playing in November-December disrupting all football leagues. Playing in Disneyland build by slaves.

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Truth be told you could question just about every location chosen to host over the last 50+ years.  Same with the Olympics, its just the way things are really. [Not saying it is right or fair - just the way it is]. Slightly off topic but the same as Aussies saying they won't go to Bali because of the death penalty but they probably would still travel to the US which also executes people. A dose of realism please people!!!!!

Enzo Giordani
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Nah, there's realism and then there's Qatar. I know about Godwin's Law and all that but it's not that far removed from playing the World Cup in Nazi Germany.

Edited by Enzo Giordani May 12, 2015 16:45

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I am all for protests about Qatar at the U20 World Cup.

FIFA is rotten to the core.

Sepp Blatter and his cronies are allowing the slavery, abuse and exploitation to continue by failing to act.

If we are silent "because we don't want to upset anybody during an Under 20 World Cup in our country" we are complicit in the same way anyone at FIFA who is in turning a blind eye to the slavery, abuse and exploitation happening in Qatar.

Not protesting is the same as approving of it.

I am all for, for example, a group of us wearing white T shirts under our tops with a single black letter on the front each t shirt spelling out "STOP FIFA SLAVERY IN QATAR"

Or something similar... like:

"BLATTER APPROVES OF SLAVERY IN QATAR"

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Oska
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I'm pretty keen to offset my contribution to FIFA's ridiculous coffers in some way like that Brandon.

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More Media exposure to this shame will exploit Qatar. I've seen a couple of news clips so the more pressure they apply (media) the better. It's sad cause I heard radio sports speak to the lady who is trying to make some noise about this. apparently alot of workers are from Nepal and the Qatar officials would not release the workers to go back home to see there families in the recent earthquakes. 

bwtcf
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apparently alot of workers are from Nepal and the Qatar officials would not release the workers to go back home to see there families in the recent earthquakes. 

Of course they won't release them to go home...

... if they do not only will they not come back - who would viluntarily return to slavery conditions, but they will talk loudly and openly in Nepal about how horriffic their experience was, and how the promised contracts were a lie, and that will result in the supply of gullible Nepalese workers they can exploit drying up.

If I was them, exploitiung and absuing workers like they are I'd be damned if I would release them too.

All of which is why we MUST protest.

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But then attending the games is a bit of having your cake and eating it too ? Filling FIFA'S coffers.

Protesting inside a stadium will get no mainstream  coverage. Host broadcasters under strict orders what they can and can't show.

Would have thought you would get more mileage outside the stadium?

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sthn.jeff wrote:

But then attending the games is a bit of having your cake and eating it too ? Filling FIFA'S coffers.

This is true, but I would suggest going to the games and showing some degree of protest sends a much stronger message than a boycott which will make much less difference to FIFA. Also, New Zealand won this tournament fairly (I assume) and have not enslaved people to build the stadiums so as football fans we should get along and enjoy it. As much as I would love for my attendance to not involve giving FIFA money, I just don't see myself successfully sneaking in.

Protesting inside a stadium will get no mainstream coverage. Host broadcasters under strict orders what they can and can't show.

There will be much more media inside than out, and the more people who are displaying some sort of message, the more chance of it being caught in the broadcast.

Would have thought you would get more mileage outside the stadium?

I doubt it. You're not likely to get people to choose at the last minute to turn around, and like I mentioned above there will be far more people and cameras inside.

Edited by Oska May 12, 2015 17:50

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Enzo Giordani
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Disrupting the tournament or punishing the teams and New Zealand by not going in would send the wrong message and could erode public sympathy for the campaign. Going in, enjoying the game and displaying messages educates the public, gets the word out, and if enough people do it it will be noticed. This is what the International Trade Union Confederation is calling on us to do, as I understand it. 

Edited by Enzo Giordani May 12, 2015 18:02

Ryan54
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Truth be told you could question just about every location chosen to host over the last 50+ years.  Same with the Olympics, its just the way things are really. [Not saying it is right or fair - just the way it is]. Slightly off topic but the same as Aussies saying they won't go to Bali because of the death penalty but they probably would still travel to the US which also executes people. A dose of realism please people!!!!!

You can question a lot of the venues, sure. In Brazil you had a World Cup which was poorly prepared and cost too much money for that country to afford. The difference is that in Brazil about 8 people died (

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/09/wo... In Qatar we are talking about 4,000. The Qatar World Cup is basically modern day slavery. In Brazil those 8 people appear to have been Brazilian people and it was Brazilian money which went into paying for it. 

As for USA and Indonesia, I would still happily travel to either but there are clearly differences in the way that those countries conduct justice. You just have to look at the role of juries, method of execution and what you have to do to get yourself executed.


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be BLack and/or poor Ryan?

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Enzo Giordani
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Shameless self-promotion but this guest post on my blog by Helen Kelly is a good summary of what's happening in Qatar if people want to read something more accessible than the Burrow interview: 

http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2015/04/15/guest-post-no-world-cup-without-workers-rights/

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