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austin10 wrote:

I have been living offshore for a few years and came back for the match. There is a few things I have noticed since I've been back about football in NZ

1, Its much more mainstream. You would never have Checkpoint discussing football governance a few years ago. With 100,000 people(mainly youth) playing the game football is now a big part of many many NZ households. The support is widespread and strong....a good example was the 35,000 fans at the ROF creating  as good an atmosphere as any you would experiance OE....and we were getting dicked.

3, What with the NZ sports media?  You guys are probably used to it but viewed as a new arrival I found some of the football coverage incredible. There seems to be down right hostility towards football by many sports journalists. Many stories seemed to be deliberately negative. 24 hours out from the Wellington match...a game with 35,000 fans and beamed to 130 countries TV1 buried the match preview behind a host of rugby stories including a 3 minute clip about the Wallabies. Football is NOT a fringe sport anymore in this country.....about time some of the media realised this. 



This one bothers me too, and merits a separate thread, methinks.  I am sick and tired of hearing on the sports news on the eve of the Nix game that some oval ball player or other is getting ready to play a week later in another country, but nothing on the Nix.  I am sick and tired of Monday radio bulletin breathless reporting on a EPL game on the weekend with full interview with the coach, but not saying anything about the Nix game played the same weekend.

It is called provincial mindset (I have nothing against EPL, but it is of secondary importance to me as I do not identify with a UK team far away), combined with lazyness (EPL reports are prepackaged, local team would have to be interviewed by local media) and commercial product placement (NZ rugby is a big business with obvious commercial nous, while NZ football is run by people whose business credentials are not obvious to me).
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heard Frankenstein - Edgar Winter Group on the Sound today

it's more heading towards jazz-fusion

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foal30 wrote:

heard Frankenstein - Edgar Winter Group on the Sound today

it's more heading towards jazz-fusion


Now we're talking!
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/how-can-we-kickstart-nz-football

Seems like some people are getting out their pens and submitting to Stuff, not just Gareth Morgan!

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Why is Nzf seen as so rubbish? I was quite impressed with the 'whole of football plan' (which I doubt Morgan had even heard of) but which is far too new to judge in terms of results. Player nos up, women's game on fire, won rights to 2015, financially stable etc. things aren't that bad. Doing ok with limited resources. I think they're short-sighted re Asia, but while we're stuck here in oceania, and with our players spread to all corners of the globe, supporting the national team in terms of a high quality coach and a decent schedule of international fixtures is always going to be nigh impossible.

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austin10 wrote:

I have been living offshore for a few years and came back for the match. There is a few things I have noticed since I've been back about football in NZ

1, Its much more mainstream. You would never have Checkpoint discussing football governance a few years ago. With 100,000 people(mainly youth) playing the game football is now a big part of many many NZ households. The support is widespread and strong....a good example was the 35,000 fans at the ROF creating  as good an atmosphere as any you would experiance OE....and we were getting dicked.


2, NZF may have done lots of good things with setting up playing/coaching at junior level but they are a disaster higher up. The WC qualifying program was a total screwup. There was a complete lack of professionalism...from everything like organising the warmup games right down to the little things like team announcements. schedules. Gareth is right...it looks like a local tennis club organisation. 


3, What with the NZ sports media?  You guys are probably used to it but viewed as a new arrival I found some of the football coverage incredible. There seems to be down right hostility towards football by many sports journalists. Many stories seemed to be deliberately negative. 24 hours out from the Wellington match...a game with 35,000 fans and beamed to 130 countries TV1 buried the match preview behind a host of rugby stories including a 3 minute clip about the Wallabies. Football is NOT a fringe sport anymore in this country.....about time some of the media realised this. 


4, Despite the media and NZF I think the game here is in good health. The number of young kiwis getting picked up overseas into good clubs is amazing....and it will continue to grow. We are at a kind of crossroads....IF NZF appoint the right CEO and IF they appoint the right AW coach and IF they both are supported and not undermined by petty local politics then the game has a good future.


p.s  I know kiwis don't tend to like larger than life outspoken characters but you should cut Gareth some slack. Sure he has a scattergun approach and fires a few blanks but he is getting NZ football more widely discussed. Anything that encourages debate should be supported.


This is all 100% accurate. Well said.
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Why is Nzf seen as so rubbish? I was quite impressed with the 'whole of football plan' (which I doubt Morgan had even heard of) but which is far too new to judge in terms of results. Player nos up, women's game on fire, won rights to 2015, financially stable etc. things aren't that bad. Doing ok with limited resources. I think they're short-sighted re Asia, but while we're stuck here in oceania, and with our players spread to all corners of the globe, supporting the national team in terms of a high quality coach and a decent schedule of international fixtures is always going to be nigh impossible.

Yeah this is pretty accurate. However I do think they do a pretty poor job PR wise, makes them look pretty damn incompetent. Its a bit of a chicken and egg thing really. NZ supports winning teams, NZF need money for the AW to win more (at this point in time)...
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Smithy wrote:
austin10 wrote:

I have been living offshore for a few years and came back for the match. There is a few things I have noticed since I've been back about football in NZ

1, Its much more mainstream. You would never have Checkpoint discussing football governance a few years ago. With 100,000 people(mainly youth) playing the game football is now a big part of many many NZ households. The support is widespread and strong....a good example was the 35,000 fans at the ROF creating  as good an atmosphere as any you would experiance OE....and we were getting dicked.


2, NZF may have done lots of good things with setting up playing/coaching at junior level but they are a disaster higher up. The WC qualifying program was a total screwup. There was a complete lack of professionalism...from everything like organising the warmup games right down to the little things like team announcements. schedules. Gareth is right...it looks like a local tennis club organisation. 


3, What with the NZ sports media?  You guys are probably used to it but viewed as a new arrival I found some of the football coverage incredible. There seems to be down right hostility towards football by many sports journalists. Many stories seemed to be deliberately negative. 24 hours out from the Wellington match...a game with 35,000 fans and beamed to 130 countries TV1 buried the match preview behind a host of rugby stories including a 3 minute clip about the Wallabies. Football is NOT a fringe sport anymore in this country.....about time some of the media realised this. 


4, Despite the media and NZF I think the game here is in good health. The number of young kiwis getting picked up overseas into good clubs is amazing....and it will continue to grow. We are at a kind of crossroads....IF NZF appoint the right CEO and IF they appoint the right AW coach and IF they both are supported and not undermined by petty local politics then the game has a good future.


p.s  I know kiwis don't tend to like larger than life outspoken characters but you should cut Gareth some slack. Sure he has a scattergun approach and fires a few blanks but he is getting NZ football more widely discussed. Anything that encourages debate should be supported.


This is all 100% accurate. Well said.

agree with fair bit of that, but gareth is out of line. It's one thing offering to put up cash and challenging govt to match it (although was he really just going to hand it over without strings, ie his say in how it's spent) but then just slagging people off without doing his research and without having any football development background whatsoever is poor form actually, and he should pull his head in. 
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Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)

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Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)

I see Gordon Glen Watson is back as Head of Media and Communications with OFC. NZF missed a trick in not getting him in (mind you, both organisations are mickey mouse).
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Smithy wrote:
austin10 wrote:

I have been living offshore for a few years and came back for the match. There is a few things I have noticed since I've been back about football in NZ

1, Its much more mainstream. You would never have Checkpoint discussing football governance a few years ago. With 100,000 people(mainly youth) playing the game football is now a big part of many many NZ households. The support is widespread and strong....a good example was the 35,000 fans at the ROF creating  as good an atmosphere as any you would experiance OE....and we were getting dicked.


2, NZF may have done lots of good things with setting up playing/coaching at junior level but they are a disaster higher up. The WC qualifying program was a total screwup. There was a complete lack of professionalism...from everything like organising the warmup games right down to the little things like team announcements. schedules. Gareth is right...it looks like a local tennis club organisation. 


3, What with the NZ sports media?  You guys are probably used to it but viewed as a new arrival I found some of the football coverage incredible. There seems to be down right hostility towards football by many sports journalists. Many stories seemed to be deliberately negative. 24 hours out from the Wellington match...a game with 35,000 fans and beamed to 130 countries TV1 buried the match preview behind a host of rugby stories including a 3 minute clip about the Wallabies. Football is NOT a fringe sport anymore in this country.....about time some of the media realised this. 


4, Despite the media and NZF I think the game here is in good health. The number of young kiwis getting picked up overseas into good clubs is amazing....and it will continue to grow. We are at a kind of crossroads....IF NZF appoint the right CEO and IF they appoint the right AW coach and IF they both are supported and not undermined by petty local politics then the game has a good future.


p.s  I know kiwis don't tend to like larger than life outspoken characters but you should cut Gareth some slack. Sure he has a scattergun approach and fires a few blanks but he is getting NZ football more widely discussed. Anything that encourages debate should be supported.


This is all 100% accurate. Well said.

agree with fair bit of that, but gareth is out of line. It's one thing offering to put up cash and challenging govt to match it (although was he really just going to hand it over without strings, ie his say in how it's spent) but then just slagging people off without doing his research and without having any football development background whatsoever is poor form actually, and he should pull his head in. 


I agree Austin

 

The WOF plan that is active was well done by John Herdman, probably the best thing he has ever done for us and a great legacy. The junior game is strong and in 10 years, once those players come up, then we will see the fruits of that development. Now is the time to look at that WOF plan, review, tweak if need be and ensure its doing exactly what is should and ensure it pushes ahead. Football always changes and our WOF plan should adapt with that.

The media in this country is ridiculous and we don't help ourselves with muppets like Terry Maddaford (whom I note has not commented on football in a while, has that cunt retired?) "opinion" pieces from Danny Hay, Ryan Nelsens' local mouth piece in the south Tony Smith, and Sam Worthington. You then see commentators like Andrew Dewhurst whom would not recognise a football if he fell over it. There are some bloody good ones, but they don't get the profile in the dailys like Jason Pine, Fred Woodcock, Michael Burgess and from a TV standpoint, Gordon Glen-Watson. You've got to go searching for their articles (not so much Burgess)

NZF do an incredibly poor job with our national mens teams. (The womans programme is well run/funded) What scares me is that Fred de Jong may well be the man that becomes CEO and under him, I seriously doubt the situation will change at all because he has largely overseen it for the last 18 months. I hope that Sport NZ shine a big fucking spotlight on it so that if they do have an agenda, it gets flushed out in the review. Shit like charging kids to represent their country has to stop and should have never gotten off the start line.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)

I see Gordon Glen Watson is back as Head of Media and Communications with OFC. NZF missed a trick in not getting him in (mind you, both organisations are mickey mouse).

 

I think that is contracting work.

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Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)

This. Latest coms guy has just left after a few months in the role.

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2ndBest wrote:

Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)

This. Latest coms guy has just left after a few months in the role.


The guy they have in on a temporary basis (for now) is quite good, but there does need to be more stability. 
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Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)


As I posted in my earlier rant in this thread, I don't get how an almost-empty-stadium cricket game at the WS in Welly gets a lengthy coverage in TV3 sport bulletin in the 6pm news, but a much better attended Phoenix game gets a few seconds. We do have decent press coverage by now for the Nix and the AW when they play, but the TV coverage is pathetic. This is where I would prefer Gareth Morgan to spend his money.
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Mainland FC wrote:

Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)


As I posted in my earlier rant in this thread, I don't get how an almost-empty-stadium cricket game at the WS in Welly gets a lengthy coverage in TV3 sport bulletin in the 6pm news, but a much better attended Phoenix game gets a few seconds. We do have decent press coverage by now for the Nix and the AW when they play, but the TV coverage is pathetic. This is where I would prefer Gareth Morgan to spend his money.

The ASBP gets better attended than the cricket. Pretty much sums up sports fans in NZ though - mostly armchair fans following their 'beloved' Man U or Lakers etc.
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Cricket has money. Football does not.

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Just seen the ESPN ad for 2014 WC draw. 

Who is going from NZF ?

Did we qualify for U17 WC - NZ F there for the draw?

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This is quite a good piece on Gareth's offer...

Gareth Morgan's millions are a hospital pass

Pretty fair summary I thought.


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Its a bloody good article

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I enjoyed the pun at the end. 

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Telfer interviewing GazMo this morning between 10&11 re his "offer" to NZF, also Ramon Tribbo re CWC... I can't wait.

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I freakin' love prog-rock. Van der Graaf Generator are the best and I'm going to see the Crimson ProjeKct in January.


Sorry, were we talking about football?

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austin10 wrote:

I have been living offshore for a few years and came back for the match. There is a few things I have noticed since I've been back about football in NZ

1, Its much more mainstream. You would never have Checkpoint discussing football governance a few years ago. With 100,000 people(mainly youth) playing the game football is now a big part of many many NZ households. The support is widespread and strong....a good example was the 35,000 fans at the ROF creating  as good an atmosphere as any you would experiance OE....and we were getting dicked.


2, NZF may have done lots of good things with setting up playing/coaching at junior level but they are a disaster higher up. The WC qualifying program was a total screwup. There was a complete lack of professionalism...from everything like organising the warmup games right down to the little things like team announcements. schedules. Gareth is right...it looks like a local tennis club organisation. 


3, What with the NZ sports media?  You guys are probably used to it but viewed as a new arrival I found some of the football coverage incredible. There seems to be down right hostility towards football by many sports journalists. Many stories seemed to be deliberately negative. 24 hours out from the Wellington match...a game with 35,000 fans and beamed to 130 countries TV1 buried the match preview behind a host of rugby stories including a 3 minute clip about the Wallabies. Football is NOT a fringe sport anymore in this country.....about time some of the media realised this. 


4, Despite the media and NZF I think the game here is in good health. The number of young kiwis getting picked up overseas into good clubs is amazing....and it will continue to grow. We are at a kind of crossroads....IF NZF appoint the right CEO and IF they appoint the right AW coach and IF they both are supported and not undermined by petty local politics then the game has a good future.


p.s  I know kiwis don't tend to like larger than life outspoken characters but you should cut Gareth some slack. Sure he has a scattergun approach and fires a few blanks but he is getting NZ football more widely discussed. Anything that encourages debate should be supported.

One of the best, most honest assessments I have seen on here for some time. You have hit the nail firmly and squarely on the head.
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Maybe all that is required is a decent communications manager and strategy? They do struggle with getting their messages across, if at all. Sorry, as well as a decent new coach (and i dont care where they come from)

 

Paul Gunn is their Communications Consultant for NZF.

http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/paul-gunn/16/358/b43
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This mornings "Down the List" satire on national radio

Is NZ Football run like a suburban tennis club or a highly professional outfit producing results we can all be proud of?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2578132/down-the-list-for-1-december-2013

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That is hilarious (and sadly, close to reality)

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I laffed. 

Altho the chap's accent was confusing. West Country was it?


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I saw Fred de Wanker before yesterday's game. Even got the chance to call him that too. Must say though, the pressure must be telling as he's suddenly gone grey at the sides. Pretending he was talking on his cell phone. Tisk tisk.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

I saw Fred de Wanker before yesterday's game. Even got the chance to call him that too. Must say though, the pressure must be telling as he's suddenly gone grey at the sides. Pretending he was talking on his cell phone. Tisk tisk.

Tell me why exactly you call him a wanker again?
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Lonegunmen wrote:

I saw Fred de Wanker before yesterday's game. Even got the chance to call him that too. Must say though, the pressure must be telling as he's suddenly gone grey at the sides. Pretending he was talking on his cell phone. Tisk tisk.

Constructive and mature. Why I love these forums.

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mjp2 wrote:

This mornings "Down the List" satire on national radio

Is NZ Football run like a suburban tennis club or a highly professional outfit producing results we can all be proud of?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2578132/down-the-list-for-1-december-2013


I take offence that the Suburban Tennis Club I run is compared to NZF
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foal30 wrote:
mjp2 wrote:

This mornings "Down the List" satire on national radio

Is NZ Football run like a suburban tennis club or a highly professional outfit producing results we can all be proud of?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2578132/down-the-list-for-1-december-2013


I take offence that the Suburban Tennis Club I run is compared to NZF


Nice volley that.
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Why? The total balls up of a trip to the Usa as our pre world cup warm up for a start. The lack of quality teams to play against. There are countries out there that would would have obliged, surely. That the players were told to turn up at the airport without a clue of whom they were in a squad with is another.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

I saw Fred de Wanker before yesterday's game. Even got the chance to call him that too. Must say though, the pressure must be telling as he's suddenly gone grey at the sides. Pretending he was talking on his cell phone. Tisk tisk.

he has always been a bit grey on the sides..

I'm sure your witty comment was the final straw though, he must lose sleep over the "constructive critisism" offered by such footballing brains as yours.

I think the title of this thread is effecting change at NZF?  how are you doing this exactly?

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Why? The total balls up of a trip to the Usa as our pre world cup warm up for a start. The lack of quality teams to play against. There are countries out there that would would have obliged, surely. That the players were told to turn up at the airport without a clue of whom they were in a squad with is another.

Fred certainly has not helped but then there are others that are equally as guilty as well. I don't think Fred is effective by any measure of his job but having only been in it 18 months he hardly has time to shape a programme whereby he has inherited a WOF program that is well imbedded. Yes the build up could have been done better but would a better build up have materially affected the result? For anyone that watched the Mexico series with 2 eyes, I don't think we would have beaten them across 2 legs to make it to WC. A different team in Concacaf or the Asian team - sure. But certainly not Mexico or the Conmebol team

Had there been a CEO of the operation (and not McNumpty or Aspden who is filling in) I think there would have been a hell of a lot more organisation. Considering they don't have many people at the HO and the pool of people wanting to work for them would be shrinking with each article written, I think we are largely in a position of we are getting what we have got because that's all we have got.

2010 was a perfect storm with personnel, the team we played against and the build up. 2014 had none of those elements and Fred alone in not responsible for all of that.

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foal30 wrote:
mjp2 wrote:

This mornings "Down the List" satire on national radio

Is NZ Football run like a suburban tennis club or a highly professional outfit producing results we can all be proud of?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2578132/down-the-list-for-1-december-2013


I take offence that the Suburban Tennis Club I run is compared to NZF


Haha love it!
LG
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chopah wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

I saw Fred de Wanker before yesterday's game. Even got the chance to call him that too. Must say though, the pressure must be telling as he's suddenly gone grey at the sides. Pretending he was talking on his cell phone. Tisk tisk.

he has always been a bit grey on the sides..

I'm sure your witty comment was the final straw though, he must lose sleep over the "constructive critisism" offered by such footballing brains as yours.

I think the title of this thread is effecting change at NZF?  how are you doing this exactly?


By discussing it? How are yiu affecting change yourself?
I  agree Jeff, he is,was not alone but I think any review by NZF will of course lay no blame at anyone because none have thus far held their hand up and said "I am sorry, I fucked up". I am disappointed Van Hattem hasn't held his hand up either. He has a very strong influence in how things go.

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