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happydays wrote:
Feverish wrote:

We aren't going to move forward with the coach education and coaching pathways we (don't) have in this country. This needs to change first 

This nails it in one. Coaching has to have the most resources thrown at it, at all levels. I vote for the person who bans local clubs paying players for winter leagues - biggest waste of money ever.

Also agree with what JD and NP have said this morning - common sense abounds today!


What does it cost to do a coaching course these days?  I've always thought that if you had all courses free (or nominal cost) you'd improve NZ football from the ground up.  I had plenty of well meaning dads coaching me growing up but to be honest, half of them did not have a clue and the other half were coaching football 20 years out of date
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Football is totally broken in NZ. Kids, local clubs teams in Winter, ASB in Summer. National coach is responsible for playing style on all levels. He needs the vision to implement and change that. The basic idea is pretty simple and it's done like this in other countries.

Youth development is done by some football schools, Rufer most famous, Phoenix announced new kids program, Team Wellington is doing good stuff for the kids. I never hardly hear something from NZF itself. They charge players to go to tournaments.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I'm sorry, to me GM has no footballing credibility at all. He is a part owner of the Phoenix because he has money, not because he has any special footballing knowledge. On football matters, I'd take more notice of what Buffon or NUFC has to say over anything GM says.

Not sure if serious or sarcastic.
Definitely sarcasom [lowest form of wit - I know]
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Yes, coaching courses cost money but money is readily available from the poker machine trusts to fund the attendence at these by coaches. From my experience with junior football, most coaches do it because they are coaching their own child and many will do the introductory course just to give themselves some ideas on how to run a practise and keep the kids involved etc. The numbers of interested coaches drop off after that but many clubs will finance coaches/parents that want to take further courses and develop further. That money comes from either club savings or by being organised and applying for and receiving funding in good time. To be fair to NZF, what else can they do except make all of those arrangements themselves - its just not possible without employing 100s of staff to coordinate this. There is a fine balance between what NZF can and should do and what grassroots should be doing themselves. i/t can't all be a hand outs and cries for NZF to do this and do that. We all have a role to play in the development of the game and moaning isn't it, there is a lot to do and NZF have a limited amount of people to do it. Football is like a co-op and we all need to play our part to make it a success - effort in equates to the quality of what comes out the other end. I don't want to sound like an apologist for NZF but they do not have any easy task with the job they have to do. Made even more hard in that everyone has an opnion on what they should be doing or how they are doing something wrong etc. 

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Yes, coaching courses cost money but money is readily available from the poker machine trusts to fund the attendence at these by coaches. From my experience with junior football, most coaches do it because they are coaching their own child and many will do the introductory course just to give themselves some ideas on how to run a practise and keep the kids involved etc. The numbers of interested coaches drop off after that but many clubs will finance coaches/parents that want to take further courses and develop further. That money comes from either club savings or by being organised and applying for and receiving funding in good time. To be fair to NZF, what else can they do except make all of those arrangements themselves - its just not possible without employing 100s of staff to coordinate this. There is a fine balance between what NZF can and should do and what grassroots should be doing themselves. i/t can't all be a hand outs and cries for NZF to do this and do that. We all have a role to play in the development of the game and moaning isn't it, there is a lot to do and NZF have a limited amount of people to do it. Football is like a co-op and we all need to play our part to make it a success - effort in equates to the quality of what comes out the other end. I don't want to sound like an apologist for NZF but they do not have any easy task with the job they have to do. Made even more hard in that everyone has an opnion on what they should be doing or how they are doing something wrong etc. 


Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 


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I just got asked to comment on Danny Hay and Gareth Morgan's views for Radio New Zealand's Checkpoint programme.


They're scraping the barrel, and I don't think I really did the conversation much justice, but what I said basically is this:


1. Calls for the whole board to quit are a bit sensationalist.

2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand.

3. There must be more funding, football operates in a ridiculously resource-poor environment considering how important it is to so many Kiwis.

4. There are a lot of areas of concern, not just the All Whites.


I failed to mention a bunch of other things that are important. But such is life doing interviews on the fly.


Also worth mentioning that it is very rare, and interesting, to get a current affairs programme like Checkpoint interested in football governance. Gareth wading in certainly has its by-products.

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foal30 wrote:

Steve Stevens

always woondered what happened to him after Rebel Yell


He had excellent two albums with Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, about 15 years ago.
If you follow old-fashioned prog rock they're indispensable. I have both and highly recommend them.

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Feverish wrote:

Yes, coaching courses cost money but money is readily available from the poker machine trusts to fund the attendence at these by coaches. From my experience with junior football, most coaches do it because they are coaching their own child and many will do the introductory course just to give themselves some ideas on how to run a practise and keep the kids involved etc. The numbers of interested coaches drop off after that but many clubs will finance coaches/parents that want to take further courses and develop further. That money comes from either club savings or by being organised and applying for and receiving funding in good time. To be fair to NZF, what else can they do except make all of those arrangements themselves - its just not possible without employing 100s of staff to coordinate this. There is a fine balance between what NZF can and should do and what grassroots should be doing themselves. i/t can't all be a hand outs and cries for NZF to do this and do that. We all have a role to play in the development of the game and moaning isn't it, there is a lot to do and NZF have a limited amount of people to do it. Football is like a co-op and we all need to play our part to make it a success - effort in equates to the quality of what comes out the other end. I don't want to sound like an apologist for NZF but they do not have any easy task with the job they have to do. Made even more hard in that everyone has an opnion on what they should be doing or how they are doing something wrong etc. 


Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 



I agree that the transition between grassroots/youth and elite for both players and coaches is one of the areas that does need to be looked at.
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Smithy wrote:

I just got asked to comment on Danny Hay and Gareth Morgan's views for Radio New Zealand's Checkpoint programme.


They're scraping the barrel, and I don't think I really did the conversation much justice, but what I said basically is this:


1. Calls for the whole board to quit are a bit sensationalist.

2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand.

3. There must be more funding, football operates in a ridiculously resource-poor environment considering how important it is to so many Kiwis.

4. There are a lot of areas of concern, not just the All Whites.


I failed to mention a bunch of other things that are important. But such is life doing interviews on the fly.


Also worth mentioning that it is very rare, and interesting, to get a current affairs programme like Checkpoint interested in football governance. Gareth wading in certainly has its by-products.


That's not a bad list though. I'd agree with all 4 of those points, especially if by "governance and management" you mean pretty much every aspect of the game, including funding.

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james dean wrote:
happydays wrote:
Feverish wrote:
We aren't going to move forward with the coach education and coaching pathways we (don't) have in this country. This needs to change first.
This nails it in one. Coaching has to have the most resources thrown at it, at all levels. I vote for the person who bans local clubs paying players for winter leagues - biggest waste of money ever. Also agree with what JD and NP have said this morning - common sense abounds today!
What does it cost to do a coaching course these days? I've always thought that if you had all courses free (or nominal cost) you'd improve NZ football from the ground up. I had plenty of well meaning dads coaching me growing up but to be honest, half of them did not have a clue and the other half were coaching football 20 years out of date.

Really struck a chord with me. Yes, we need the well meaning dads (and mums), but we also need to ensure they're equipped to help players realise their potential. Kids' coaching was pretty poor 'back in the day' (early 70s). I'd hate to think it hasn't improved.

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terminator_x wrote:
Smithy wrote:

I just got asked to comment on Danny Hay and Gareth Morgan's views for Radio New Zealand's Checkpoint programme.


They're scraping the barrel, and I don't think I really did the conversation much justice, but what I said basically is this:


1. Calls for the whole board to quit are a bit sensationalist.

2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand.

3. There must be more funding, football operates in a ridiculously resource-poor environment considering how important it is to so many Kiwis.

4. There are a lot of areas of concern, not just the All Whites.


I failed to mention a bunch of other things that are important. But such is life doing interviews on the fly.


Also worth mentioning that it is very rare, and interesting, to get a current affairs programme like Checkpoint interested in football governance. Gareth wading in certainly has its by-products.


That's not a bad list though. I'd agree with all 4 of those points, especially if by "governance and management" you mean pretty much every aspect of the game, including funding.



I meant that yes, although I don't think my answer conveyed it exactly as I would have liked.
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Feverish wrote:

Yes, coaching courses cost money but money is readily available from the poker machine trusts to fund the attendence at these by coaches. From my experience with junior football, most coaches do it because they are coaching their own child and many will do the introductory course just to give themselves some ideas on how to run a practise and keep the kids involved etc. The numbers of interested coaches drop off after that but many clubs will finance coaches/parents that want to take further courses and develop further. That money comes from either club savings or by being organised and applying for and receiving funding in good time. To be fair to NZF, what else can they do except make all of those arrangements themselves - its just not possible without employing 100s of staff to coordinate this. There is a fine balance between what NZF can and should do and what grassroots should be doing themselves. i/t can't all be a hand outs and cries for NZF to do this and do that. We all have a role to play in the development of the game and moaning isn't it, there is a lot to do and NZF have a limited amount of people to do it. Football is like a co-op and we all need to play our part to make it a success - effort in equates to the quality of what comes out the other end. I don't want to sound like an apologist for NZF but they do not have any easy task with the job they have to do. Made even more hard in that everyone has an opnion on what they should be doing or how they are doing something wrong etc. 

Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 

But hang on, let's compare apples with apples; rugby in NZ has 5 Super franchises with probably 3 professional coaches each, below that at NPC and Heartland level we have many professional coaches and assistants and there are many working overseas, products of the rugby system. Compare that to football in NZ - we have 1 professional team coached by an Aussie a Pom and a Scot. Even if we had 100s of top quality coaches - where would they coach? There are plenty of choices for national coach in NZ, its just a matter of deciding what you want to accept. RH was promoted to National coach from within Nz wasn't he? so why couldn't one of the current ASB coaches do the same? Because many think a coach needs to come from overseas to be any good. 
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Feverish wrote:

Yes, coaching courses cost money but money is readily available from the poker machine trusts to fund the attendence at these by coaches. From my experience with junior football, most coaches do it because they are coaching their own child and many will do the introductory course just to give themselves some ideas on how to run a practise and keep the kids involved etc. The numbers of interested coaches drop off after that but many clubs will finance coaches/parents that want to take further courses and develop further. That money comes from either club savings or by being organised and applying for and receiving funding in good time. To be fair to NZF, what else can they do except make all of those arrangements themselves - its just not possible without employing 100s of staff to coordinate this. There is a fine balance between what NZF can and should do and what grassroots should be doing themselves. i/t can't all be a hand outs and cries for NZF to do this and do that. We all have a role to play in the development of the game and moaning isn't it, there is a lot to do and NZF have a limited amount of people to do it. Football is like a co-op and we all need to play our part to make it a success - effort in equates to the quality of what comes out the other end. I don't want to sound like an apologist for NZF but they do not have any easy task with the job they have to do. Made even more hard in that everyone has an opnion on what they should be doing or how they are doing something wrong etc. 

Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 

But hang on, let's compare apples with apples; rugby in NZ has 5 Super franchises with probably 3 professional coaches each, below that at NPC and Heartland level we have many professional coaches and assistants and there are many working overseas, products of the rugby system. Compare that to football in NZ - we have 1 professional team coached by an Aussie a Pom and a Scot. Even if we had 100s of top quality coaches - where would they coach? There are plenty of choices for national coach in NZ, its just a matter of deciding what you want to accept. RH was promoted to National coach from within Nz wasn't he? so why couldn't one of the current ASB coaches do the same? Because many think a coach needs to come from overseas to be any good. 


well you can put your head in the sand and make excuses or accept that it is reality and go about changing things. There are not plenty of quality NZ coach choices for the AWs and neither were there for the Nix. There is a crapload that could be done in this area.

eg. We have a European women's u17 coach ffs

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So Feverish, what type of coach do you want for the AWs?

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So Feverish, what type of coach do you want for the AWs?

A good one. I don't care if he is from timaru or Tokyo. Just illustrating the point of there being very few NZ top level coaches by using the AWs as an example.
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U037 wrote:
james dean wrote:
happydays wrote:
Feverish wrote:
We aren't going to move forward with the coach education and coaching pathways we (don't) have in this country. This needs to change first.
This nails it in one. Coaching has to have the most resources thrown at it, at all levels. I vote for the person who bans local clubs paying players for winter leagues - biggest waste of money ever. Also agree with what JD and NP have said this morning - common sense abounds today!
What does it cost to do a coaching course these days? I've always thought that if you had all courses free (or nominal cost) you'd improve NZ football from the ground up. I had plenty of well meaning dads coaching me growing up but to be honest, half of them did not have a clue and the other half were coaching football 20 years out of date.

Really struck a chord with me. Yes, we need the well meaning dads (and mums), but we also need to ensure they're equipped to help players realise their potential. Kids' coaching was pretty poor 'back in the day' (early 70s). I'd hate to think it hasn't improved.


the big difference is in now trying to coach playing as to my experience of the 70's - 80's which was being coached to win on Saturday to the exclusion of everything else. 
free coaching courses would be nice but a nominal fee can make people appreciate it a bit more. 
there is also the hurdle of less confident people attending and getting sidetracked by world champion coaches as seen in the NZF Coaches thread on this site....



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Smithy,

You mentioned in a previous post that

"2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand."

Wasn't that held a few years ago and called the Ineson Report?   Wasn't the result of that independent investigation the formation of the 7 Federations and the resulting governance and management model that we have now?

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Financial boost after World Cup playoff

New Zealand Football confirmed on Monday the national body is anticipating a surplus of approximately $6 million for 2013, largely as a result of the commercial success of the All Whites 2014 FIFA World Cup intercontinental playoff with Mexico.

In addition to the sell out crowd of over 35,000 for the home leg of the tie at Wellington's Westpac Stadium on Wednesday night, New Zealand Football negotiated a significant television rights deal for the playoff with international broadcaster Univision.

The deal saw the tie broadcast in more than 130 countries around the world.

New Zealand Football interim Chief Executive Mark Aspden confirmed that the large surplus would help the organisation to continue to develop in all areas.

"Despite the on field result against Mexico, the money secured from the playoff tie allows us to move forward with confidence in our development plans for the game at all levels," Aspden said.

"While we are hugely disappointed that we couldn't secure a berth at the FIFA World Cup this time around - which was of course our overriding objective - this financial boost will greatly assist our sport over the next few years."

"The benefits of this surplus will be seen from our grassroots development programmes right through to our elite teams as we continue to develop football on a sustainable basis.

"The passionate crowd at Wednesday's match was proof of the depth of New Zealand's support for the All Whites and for the sport in general.

“With the progress that the Football Ferns have been making, the fact that we will be hosting the FIFA Men's under 20 World Cup in 2015 and the continuing growth in player numbers at junior levels, it is an exciting time for football in New Zealand.”

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ol'sole wrote:

Smithy,

You mentioned in a previous post that

"2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand."

Wasn't that held a few years ago and called the Ineson Report?   Wasn't the result of that independent investigation the formation of the 7 Federations and the resulting governance and management model that we have now?

 
You're showing your age! I didn't know that.
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ol'sole wrote:

Smithy,

You mentioned in a previous post that

"2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand."

Wasn't that held a few years ago and called the Ineson Report?   Wasn't the result of that independent investigation the formation of the 7 Federations and the resulting governance and management model that we have now?


That report was published  around 2003 (I think) and 10 years is a long time. I also can't remember if the scope of that review was just the structure of NZF.

The footballing landscape has changed significantly since then anyway:

- Federation model established and bedded in

- Establishment of NZFC franchise model

- Aussie leaving Oceania in 2006

- Frank van Hattum becomes Chairman in 2008

- World Cup qualification in 2010

- Failed WC qualification in 2013

- increased reliance on declining pokie funding

- Whole of Football plan implemented

etc etc

High time for another, broader, review IMO.

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Mainland FC wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Steve Stevens

always woondered what happened to him after Rebel Yell


He had excellent two albums with Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, about 15 years ago.
If you follow old-fashioned prog rock they're indispensable. I have both and highly recommend them.


prog rock is pants.Heard some Rush on the Sound the other day, quite terrible.  Liked Levin with Pete Gabriel. Steve Stevens is also on a Joni Mitchell album whose name escapes me , also has the quite wonderful Wendy and Lisa as well. 
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Smithy wrote:

2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand.

3. There must be more funding, football operates in a ridiculously resource-poor environment considering how important it is to so many Kiwis


4. Also worth mentioning that it is very rare, and interesting, to get a current affairs programme like Checkpoint interested in football governance. Gareth wading in certainly has its by-products.


2.Not disagreeing but I am wondering why the government would want to commit to that. Is it broken ?? In crisis ??  Unless they are putting lumps of money into the sport and not seeing the benefit coming out, I am not sure why they would get involved.

3. More funding has been offered by Gareth, but it has a hook to it, as you would expect from him
4. As much as some on here question his knowledge and motives, he does shake the tree

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the only reason to follow prog rock,  is to make sure that next time you hit it , you get a clean kill ...

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[/quote]


Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 


[/quote]

Can confirm that the FFA have an exponentially better coaching pathway than in New Zealand. Since moving here 6 months ago, I have already earned my FFA Goalkeeping Level 3 Diploma and am about to start my AFC Senior C Licence and AFC Advanced Level 1 Goalkeeper Licence. I have been asking NZF every year for 5 years prior about potential goalkeeping qualifications and have been told every time "something is being developed". 
Coach education here is just far, far more accessible. Courses are being run by local associations or federations every week.
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DKP22 wrote:

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Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 


[/quote]


Can confirm that the FFA have an exponentially better coaching pathway than in New Zealand. Since moving here 6 months ago, I have already earned my FFA Goalkeeping Level 3 Diploma and am about to start my AFC Senior C Licence and AFC Advanced Level 1 Goalkeeper Licence. I have been asking NZF every year for 5 years prior about potential goalkeeping qualifications and have been told every time "something is being developed". 

Coach education here is just far, far more accessible. Courses are being run by local associations or federations every week.


And easier to pass too it would seem ;)
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DKP22 wrote:

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Not quite the point NP. Do you think the oval ball game would have difficulty coming up with numerous options for a new national coach? Or even at a lower elite level? No they wouldn’t. So why does football have difficulty coming up with a single name? What is NZF doing for coaches who can coach beyond kiddies or a decent amateur level? F-all.

Where are the pathways for coaches? Federations get their FDO’s to coach ASB Prem/ NYL / NWL who are often foreigners here on a short term basis. We need to invest time and money in local coaches at the elite level. They need opportunities and support.

I went to a Victoria Football weekend seminar last year superbly run by Sean Douglas. I’m guessing they are doing things well over the tasman. 


[/quote]


Can confirm that the FFA have an exponentially better coaching pathway than in New Zealand. Since moving here 6 months ago, I have already earned my FFA Goalkeeping Level 3 Diploma and am about to start my AFC Senior C Licence and AFC Advanced Level 1 Goalkeeper Licence. I have been asking NZF every year for 5 years prior about potential goalkeeping qualifications and have been told every time "something is being developed". 

Coach education here is just far, far more accessible. Courses are being run by local associations or federations every week.



Yep. Simon Eaddy was the one writing the NZF accredited goalkeeper badges and then he upped sticks and went to Canada with John Herdman and it's disappeared under the table since then. I think Danny Robinson is making inroads with goalkeeper coaching licences with NFF so there is hope and I did a small course with Gouldy last year with the Phoenix youth which I believe will be offered as an accredited badge by the Phoenix at some point. It would be nice if NZF pulled their socks up in regards to developing good goalkeeper coaches since, from what I've experienced, there is a lot of interest in a defined coaches pathway for goalkeepers in NZ
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james dean wrote:

In the end this is a typical Gareth proposal - attention grabbing, grandstanding and reducing all issues to black and white.  In the end $5mn won't "fix" football just like the $10mn didn't fix football after the last world cup.  I think there is change needed but let's wait until Gareth is done "fixing" the Phoenix as that's not project complete by any stretch of the imagination - and to be honest there are still a lot of questions about how the organisation will ever be in a position to compete with the best teams with the current financial model.

Morgan hasn't even released the comments on his blog. He doesn't want to have a conversation about this, but self-publicise.
He's still trying to be the coach of the team and now the Clive Palmer too...
He could play a constructive role, but he doesn't seem to have a Frank Lowy approach. He's an outsider with a 'my way' and a messiah complex insulting football people and negotiating through the media. 
I don't think this is good for NZ football- it's just a whole lot of negativity. Getting some quality coaches and people in might help- I don't think grandstanding in the media will get us anywhere.
I wonder if Gareth could get in the media and tell us why the Hurricanes are coming in at number 11? They are a team he is invested in and they can't produce results. Or is football an easy target for him?
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Smithy wrote:

I just got asked to comment on Danny Hay and Gareth Morgan's views for Radio New Zealand's Checkpoint programme.


They're scraping the barrel, and I don't think I really did the conversation much justice, but what I said basically is this:


1. Calls for the whole board to quit are a bit sensationalist.

2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand.

3. There must be more funding, football operates in a ridiculously resource-poor environment considering how important it is to so many Kiwis.

4. There are a lot of areas of concern, not just the All Whites.


I failed to mention a bunch of other things that are important. But such is life doing interviews on the fly.


Also worth mentioning that it is very rare, and interesting, to get a current affairs programme like Checkpoint interested in football governance. Gareth wading in certainly has its by-products.

I guess this is a fair point. But I hope there is an informed discussion, not just a beat up based on that we got beaten by Mexico and Gareth thinks we should have played tikka takka at the Azteca. 
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terminator_x wrote:
ol'sole wrote:

Smithy,

You mentioned in a previous post that

"2. I'd like to see a government-sponsored independent look at the governance and management of the game in New Zealand."

Wasn't that held a few years ago and called the Ineson Report?   Wasn't the result of that independent investigation the formation of the 7 Federations and the resulting governance and management model that we have now?


That report was published  around 2003 (I think) and 10 years is a long time. I also can't remember if the scope of that review was just the structure of NZF.

The footballing landscape has changed significantly since then anyway:

- Federation model established and bedded in

- Establishment of NZFC franchise model

- Aussie leaving Oceania in 2006

- Frank van Hattum becomes Chairman in 2008

- World Cup qualification in 2010

- Failed WC qualification in 2013

- increased reliance on declining pokie funding

- Whole of Football plan implemented

etc etc

High time for another, broader, review IMO.

 That was around the time Kevin Stratful was running the shop and that guy talked a list of promises his ass could not cash. Bob Patterson got out cause he could see the writing on the wall and in my opinion, I would have Bob back running the shop in a heartbeat. 
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we risk turning this into the public sector were reviews are undertaken by each new ceo about 12 months after they arrive in the role and generally occur every 5 years to little or no effect other than the said ceo leaving their 'legacy' which is subsequently torn to bits by the next idiot who takes the role.

my point is, i reckon things are heading in the right direction in terms of player development.  there will always be things to improve on, and let's do this, but i don't think a complete review is needed.  it will only set us back.  let's just see how WoF goes - it seems well thought out and has so far well well implemented.  The layers prior to it are also now producing good players as evidenced by the amount of pro players that we have compared to even 5 years ago.

i think we do need to have a serious look at our elite player development.  we only have one pro team, so the asb prem needs to become an amazing vehicle for farming pros.

we also need to look at how our national teams are put together.  if you ask me, each one of our national teams appears to perform at a level that is less than the sum of it's parts.  being a minnow, we can't afford for this to be the case

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I don't think it is "public sector" to have a strategic aim/goal and a plan to help you get there.  It is sound business/governance to then review the plan mid-term and end of term. 

So from that perspective there is merit in Gareth's opinion.

His approach however is quite destructive and quite inefficient in terms of building on whatever is being done well.

 

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I heard in a FdJ interview (with Veitch I think) that a review is to take place re the All Whites. Said it would probably be headed by someone from Sport NZ - the old sparc anyway, and include someone each from NZF & PFA.

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Peter Miskimmin (head of Sport NZ) soon to be i/viewed by the font of football knowledge that is B.Telfer on Radiomusicwithsomesporttoo.

 

Smithy, hit that speed-dial!!!

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I know how Gareth can get money out of the Government and get mjor businesses involved. We call it the America's World Cup. They'll be queuing up on Frank van Freeloaders door. Every rich prick around will want a taste of the action and you wont have to get seasick to enjoy the experience. Shit, you might even get decent attendences in Auckland as the North Shore invades.

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I have been living offshore for a few years and came back for the match. There is a few things I have noticed since I've been back about football in NZ

1, Its much more mainstream. You would never have Checkpoint discussing football governance a few years ago. With 100,000 people(mainly youth) playing the game football is now a big part of many many NZ households. The support is widespread and strong....a good example was the 35,000 fans at the ROF creating  as good an atmosphere as any you would experiance OE....and we were getting dicked.


2, NZF may have done lots of good things with setting up playing/coaching at junior level but they are a disaster higher up. The WC qualifying program was a total screwup. There was a complete lack of professionalism...from everything like organising the warmup games right down to the little things like team announcements. schedules. Gareth is right...it looks like a local tennis club organisation. 


3, What with the NZ sports media?  You guys are probably used to it but viewed as a new arrival I found some of the football coverage incredible. There seems to be down right hostility towards football by many sports journalists. Many stories seemed to be deliberately negative. 24 hours out from the Wellington match...a game with 35,000 fans and beamed to 130 countries TV1 buried the match preview behind a host of rugby stories including a 3 minute clip about the Wallabies. Football is NOT a fringe sport anymore in this country.....about time some of the media realised this. 


4, Despite the media and NZF I think the game here is in good health. The number of young kiwis getting picked up overseas into good clubs is amazing....and it will continue to grow. We are at a kind of crossroads....IF NZF appoint the right CEO and IF they appoint the right AW coach and IF they both are supported and not undermined by petty local politics then the game has a good future.


p.s  I know kiwis don't tend to like larger than life outspoken characters but you should cut Gareth some slack. Sure he has a scattergun approach and fires a few blanks but he is getting NZ football more widely discussed. Anything that encourages debate should be supported.

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why not copy and build on the strategy of a similar sized and talented country? There are 4 million people in Ireland and their domestic league is a bit shite.......

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Excuse my ignorance - I am not a true football tragic (I keep saying this to myself after I have looked at the scores over countless weekends) - but is there such a thing as "tap and go" football?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=11162677


I've always told my team to "pass and move" - but maybe that explains their underwhelming results.


Next season I will ask the parents to invest in these for each of the players:



Perhaps this is what NZF were getting at for their U17 team.

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Junior82 wrote:

Excuse my ignorance - I am not a true football tragic (I keep saying this to myself after I have looked at the scores over countless weekends) - but is there such a thing as "tap and go" football?


16,826 posts on the forum. I beg to differ.
PS No. Gareth got his football codes mixed up.
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foal30 wrote:
Mainland FC wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Steve Stevens

always woondered what happened to him after Rebel Yell


He had excellent two albums with Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, about 15 years ago.
If you follow old-fashioned prog rock they're indispensable. I have both and highly recommend them.


prog rock is pants.Heard some Rush on the Sound the other day, quite terrible.  Liked Levin with Pete Gabriel. Steve Stevens is also on a Joni Mitchell album whose name escapes me , also has the quite wonderful Wendy and Lisa as well. 


Massive generalisation if I've seen one. There is good and bad stuff just like in anything. I stopped listening to Rush since I finished high school, back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth. When my 19 year old son listens to Mars Volta (also listed as prog),  I cover my ears.
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FU BLU wrote:

the only reason to follow prog rock,  is to make sure that next time you hit it , you get a clean kill ...


Unless it is Emerson Lake & Palmer in later years, when there is no clean kill but prolonged slow bleeding.

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