Effecting Change at NZF

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Assuming that Gareth's main beef is the lack of connection between the Phoenix and NZF, it's an interesting question to what extent football in NZ would be better served by closer alignment between the two organisations - I'm genuinely quite torn.

 


From my discussion with him, that's an incorrect assumption. He just thinks the whole place is f*cked at the minute and that it needs a tune up. It's that simple.


Ok but I'm not sure how he is placed better than anyone else involved in football to diagnose the problems then (of which there are many, and of which there are many people who also share that view).  I don't really see why he has become the mouthpiece for reforming NZF - other than if he's prepared to write a big cheque.  Just being able to call up a reporter and get himself in the paper what role does he really have in the game?


He probably does have some good ideas, but so do a lot of people - you and me included - but I don't just go out demanding a meeting with NZF and telling them how they should reform themselves.  Who does Gareth actually represent here?  Owners of professional clubs in NZ?  Phoenix fans?  Loudmouths everywhere?

 


Since when did having a mandate equate to the ability to be heard? Who does Kim Dotcom represent? Who does Lorde represent?


Gareth has an audience, and he's using it to call for reform of NZF. He's also using it to call for reform of cats. 


So that's one question.


As for what role he has in the game, he's probably one of the three biggest personal financial contributors to football in New Zealand. Sure that's his choice, but it certainly gives him skin in the game.


You and I might have some good ideas (not sure about me) but we don't have direct dealings with NZF on a day to day basis. The Phoenix do, so requiring a meeting with them isn't too outrageous either.


Overall what I'm driving at is this: if anyone is going to call for reform of the game's national governance, Gareth is probably one of the best placed to be the guy calling.


I actually respect him for not bandying about his vision or his solutions. I think he knows he doesn't know enough to give solutions. All he's saying is "let's do better." I agree with him.


I agree with all the above apart from the last paragraPh. I think Gareth  doesn't know what he doesn't know and will have all the solutions (the majority of which will be wrong)

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2 sources tell me more NZF staff are about to leaf.

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I thought they don't really do that till spring.

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So who is driving all of this change? Remember we were all thinking it was an old boys club and so and so will get this job because they were so and so with so and so.... now its all upside down...

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I thought they don't really do that till spring.



Autumn shurely ?
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Global Game wrote:

2 sources tell me more NZF staff are about to leaf.

Same

One is head of football development who has been there five minutes

Edited by Feverish February 01, 2014 08:49

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FU BLU wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I thought they don't really do that till spring.



Autumn shurely ?
Thats what I thought but they get their leaves in Spring and lose them in Autumn. I guess it depends on what point of view you sit with regards to 'about to leaf'. I can certainly see your point though.

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In spring, deciduous trees start to "leaf out".


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So the key question is: Is NZF a deciduous organisation?

Dis-hideous? Yes

Decide-eous? No.

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Being deciduous is characterised by a prolonged dormant season...

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CAN U C Kiwis in Toronto?

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Being deciduous is characterised by a prolonged dormant season...

Well that's definitely our national body

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The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion


...says the man who starts a thread called Effecting Change at NZF




that is pure gold!


JD's first post in the thread: "Does anyone know the process for the appointment of board members and the Chairman?"

Nek minnit: "The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion"

Schizo much?

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Deciduous trees 101:

  • Dense inner core, but centrally is biologically dead.
  • Has a prolonged and tightly controlled dormant period (often requires a certain amount of "chilling" to break it).
  • In spring the sap rises resulting in leaf out.
  • There is a short rapid phase of growth which then peaks and the leaves eventually senesce.
  • Generally requires cross fertilisation to produce viable seed (opposite is known as selfing - an extreme form of inbreeding).
  • As a structure it is capable of supporting a range of other entities and ecosystem services.
  • It can also carry a lot of deadwood.
  • Stability tends to depend on the underlying material - if it is shallow and rocky the tree can be top heavy and liable to breakage or toppling.
  • Deciduous trees also can not use a fax machine.

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NZF are deciduous ?

Always thought more deadwood ..... or balsa ...

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Did you know that Balsa is in fact a hardwood?

Although it has one of the softest woods, it is not a softwood.


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Bit flighty though?

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Junior82 wrote:

Did you know that Balsa is in fact a hardwood?

Although it has one of the softest woods, it is not a softwood.




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So does this mean the class of '82 is being leached out of the system?

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