Effecting Change at NZF

james dean
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Time for a white noise press release to put a bit of pressure on?

Normo's coming home

Jeff Vader
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I actually feel sorry for Andy Martin in this case and I have added my own guestimations below based on what I read.

 

 

I think some people would be well advised to take pause and think for a moment before calling this a shambles, swept under the carpet or another NZF fix up. There has largely been a clean sweep out after all this. Ricki and BT are gone, McNumpty is gone along with FVH and while FDJ is there, I wonder how much input he had into the national team and all that. Yes he was the mouthpiece in the media but was he the decision maker? I'm inclined to cut him a little slack for that considering he was not long in the role either. Martin has to own the mistakes of a previous regime that he has no idea about and then promise to learn from them. Hard to learn from something when you don't know about it but also the guys that have made them have all gone!

I also think that in order to get the full picture of what was happening, Martin had to promise absolute anonymity otherwise how was anyone ever going to know the full story of what everyone said, felt, saw? He is a new CEO and if he got the half baked version with everyone pulling punches, how is he expected to fix things. I think what he has done has been the right move especially at a time when its been quite known that people have been getting off board the NZF train for a while so he needed to get the absolute truth about the state of his national side.

It does seem from what is being put out there that there is a blame at Ricki for the preparation, BT for the warm ups and lead ins and the board for letting this happen all unchecked. It seems the players wanted a voice and it got ignored and really, it all points back to a fucked up culture that had no checks and balances. It would appear that everyone left Ricki to his own way because 'well he got us there last time so......' I hate to harp on about it but you have to wonder how much of this would have happened on Ryan's watch (being a big time player, reputation and also the desire to speak out) and when you think about that, how much did he stop some of that crap with WC2010? The stories have been about for a while about how he got some Blackburn staff on board to help with some things and whether its true or not, taking into account Honiara horror, it does point to being a bad culture for quite a long time. I think if Martin works on fixing that, a few problems will come into line on there own.

 

I wonder if there was any comment in there at all about how it was probably a mistake with hindsight to keep Ricki on after Honiara. Be intrigued on the players thoughts on that one.

Edited by Jeff Vader May 09, 2014 10:33

Grumpy old bastard alert

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james dean wrote:

Time for a white noise press release to put a bit of pressure on?

 

Sure.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10032290/Plumb-Time-for-football-grassroots-to-rise-up

"I talked to Martin on Friday morning and, in a half-hour meeting, he confirmed the terms of reference for the review were signed off before he started as NZ Football chief executive in February"

 

I feel sorry for Andy Martin. He has absolutely been given the wheel to an ambulance heading off a cliff on this one.

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NZF may be incompetant troughers , but they cover their own arses very well ....

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I normally try and take a pretty balanced view of NZF. They fuck a few things up but I appreciate that they have a tough job to do and the resources they have to do it don't always equate to people's high expectations.

This thing with not releasing even a summary of the World Cup Review is just stupid though.

I think the first, simplest and fairest thing we should do is simply ask them to change their mind.

I'm going to email Andy Martin directly and ask him to  consider at least publishing a summary or redacted version of the report and it would be good if some other people did too.

If you don't ask you don't get.

Edited by terminator_x May 16, 2014 10:51

Feverish
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See Romanos article in Wgtonian

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This one?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/sport/opinion/joseph-romanos/10036820/NZ-Football-doesn-t-do-itself-any-favours

He's right, but doesn't say anyhting new.

I'm more interested in what we can actually do about it.

Just firing off a bunch of emails asking them to reconsider would be a start.

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I think the word is they will speak more about it after the Sth Africa fixture  

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terminator_x wrote:

I normally try and take a pretty balanced view of NZF. They fuck a few things up but I appreciate that they have a tough job to do and the resources they have to do it don't always equate to people's high expectations.

This thing with not releasing even a summary of the World Cup Review is just stupid though.

I think the first, simplest and fairest thing we should do is simply ask them to change their mind.

I'm going to email Andy Martin directly and ask him to  consider at least publishing a summary or redacted version of the report and it would be good if some other people did too.

If you don't ask you don't get.

There is another way. Maybe the report's author (Stephen Cottrell of Cottsport) could be tempted/persuaded to spill a few juicy beans. Podcast?

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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Feverish wrote:

I think the word is they will speak more about it after the Sth Africa fixture  

Why? What's the relevance of the SA fixture?

 

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So they can speak to the players on the findings. Not that most of them will be there.

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NZF move quickly on FIFA rules alignment

Following a worldwide review by FIFA of its member association rules, New Zealand Football has moved quickly to begin the alignment of the national body’s regulations with FIFA statutes.

Governing body for football, FIFA have asked all member associations to ensure their regulations are in step with FIFA Statutes within the next three years.

Michael Anderson, board member of New Zealand Football and chair of Northern Football, is part of a seven-member committee formed to guide the change process in New Zealand.


“The working committee has been established to consult with the game and develop the required changes to New Zealand Football’s rules,” Anderson said.

“The review of the rules we have in place will ensure our processes align with FIFA best practice guidelines which safeguard the rights of all stakeholders in the game, not only in this country, but around the world.”

Following a consultation process with key stakeholders in July, proposals for rule changes will be put to the New Zealand Football Congress in September 2014.

No new elections or appointments will be made to the NZ Football board until new rule changes are in place.

NZ Football Rules Working Committee:


Chair: Nick Davidson (President, NZ Football)
Members: Bill Moran (Interim Chair, NZ Football), Michael Anderson (NZ Football and Chair of Northern Football), Phil Barry (Working Committee Leader), Patsi Davies (Chair, Waikato-Bay Of Plenty Football), Rod Pelosi (Deputy Chair, Referees Committee), and Stephen Williamson (Chair, Auckland Football)


2ndBest
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Expect to see the appointed board positions to be scapped.

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2ndBest wrote:

Expect to see the appointed board positions to be scapped.

Does that mean all current appointed members should have to then stand for an election effective immediately?
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2ndBest wrote:

Expect to see the appointed board positions to be scapped.

Does that mean all current appointed members should have to then stand for an election effective immediately?

 

And does it mean they will flow those same rules down to the Federations?

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I'm not sure I like the sound of that.

All-elected Boards sound like a wonderful, utopian idea in theory but in practice are too easily dominated by poorly qualified numpties who can't see past their own specific agendas in order to govern in the best interests of the whole game.

It's possibly not such a big issue at NZF level but at Federation level - yuck. People are fond of saying "the clubs need more representation" or "the clubs should be running the game" but the truth is "the clubs" themselves don't often agree on very much.

The appointed positions at least allow for a bit of quality control, and there's still a basic level of democracy because on a seven member board the three elected members (presuming they agree on something) only need to influence one appointed member to get a majority. I've always thought that provides a nice buffer against letting clubs (at Fed level) and Feds (at NZF level) completely run the asylum.

That said I don't much like the way the current system only lets most NZF members vote at club committee level but not Federation or NZF.

I guess the devil's in the detail of what a new system might look like. And I suppose after a few go-rounds of having idiots elected to Boards the voters might actually start to take it seriously, which would be an improvement.

The most interesting line in that release to me is "No new elections or appointments will be made to the NZ Football board until new rule changes are in place". There were two elected positions meant to be up for grabs at the next Congress. Does that mean they won't get elected now until after the new rules are adopted at Congress? Does that mean Frank van Hattum gets yet another reprieve? It's going to be getting close to a year since he announced his resignation. He resigned in January. Congress was meant to be in May but got shifted to September. Now it sounds like they won't elect any new Board members until after that.

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2ndBest wrote:

Expect to see the appointed board positions to be scapped.


How do you know this anyway 2nd Best?
Simon Plumb's rant on Twitter is because he doesn't know what rules they are changing and he thinks they're not being transparent.

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Heard that FIFA don't like unelected position of boards. No idea else is on the cards.

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