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Shouting!!

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Having been around a few matches this season it's clear that a lot of our coaches are "one trick ponies" in that they shout. I don't mean shouting to players but shouting at players.

If we taken eleven as the maqic number then most teams will have several personality types within that eleven. So why do so many of our coaches seem to think that one means of "communication" will work for all players.
 
Thoughts?

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dairyflat wrote:

Having been around a few matches this season it's clear that a lot of our coaches are "one trick ponies" in that they shout. I don't mean shouting to players but shouting at players.

If we taken eleven as the maqic number then most teams will have several personality types within that eleven. So why do so many of our coaches seem to think that one means of "communication" will work for all players.
 
Thoughts?


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Had a bit of a go at my coach for this on the weekend. He was a bit out of line when yelling at one of our shyer, less confident players and what he said wasn't constructive at all. For him it was his extreme passion taking over and he lost control. He acknowllegded it at training though so credit to him for that but I agree with you, each player reacts different to pos/neg criticism etc and coaches should know that. It's 101 really.TopLeft072009-06-12 20:13:30

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shy people have no place in football. Good on him

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Feverish wrote:
shy people have no place in football. Good on him
      bout time , harden up you fullas. if your destiny is to follow, go get an office job and play social or refferee. football needs leaders in their roles on the field,shyness is a weak link in your chain. the player is better served if passionate enough, to pay more attention to identifying and improving his weakness from the coaches perspective. which in essence is coaching-someone's opinion, no two are the same. the focus these days is to encourage player centred coaching , with an emphisis on asking the question and exploring the suggested solutions , ie. how could you do that better/faster/slower , rather than laying down the law in a draconian manner ie. pass here, run there, kick-it,shoot....etc, where all the guess work  is taken out and nothing is learnt. so , although i can see that the coach could well be playing a negative role in your mates development, he needs to get a bit of mongrel in him to succeed. personally ,when i was young i was driven with desire to prove the coach wrong ,and would channel any anger/frustration in that direction, by working hard to improve  basics ,technique and skill. and i see some coaches still apply this as a reverse psychology method to create that initial spark in a player. if it gets the best out of a player.... mission complete.
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the funny thing is that in the football-related arena, we are all coaches.
you turn up to a match and the coach, those on the bench, the family, the supporters, random people, they're all shouting different things, and while this makes the atmosphere very 'hot' - especially for the home team - it kinda makes it hard to hear the calls AND hear what your coach wants you to do.

I got told to shut off a few times by my coach cause I used to shout my own calls, but very often when I am playing if I get a ball on a counter attack or some similar important situation it's so hard to actually hear anything, and you have to decide for yourself.

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you have to take negative criticism and work on it. thats what i do. its frustrating at first but there is generally a reason for being yelled at.  working on it will only make you a better player. crying about it will get your arse kicked
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dairyflat wrote:

Having been around a few matches this season it's clear that a lot of our coaches are "one trick ponies" in that they shout. I don't mean shouting to players but shouting at players.

If we taken eleven as the maqic number then most teams will have several personality types within that eleven. So why do so many of our coaches seem to think that one means of "communication" will work for all players.
 
Thoughts?

Because they are not very good coaches.  Maybe they are just carrying on re-enacting  what they grew up with.  The better you have done your off field coaching the more you can shut up during the game.

I suppose if you are a rep coach or a pro coach where you are selecting the squad first you can select only the players that like being shouted at but it's a bloody sad priority.  Club coaches who rant on the sideline are a blight and should retire to gardening or similar low blood pressure activities.
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Feverish wrote:
shy people have no place in football. Good on him


Here in New Zealand we prefer big headed cocks as opposed to a far more skillful player.

The dude that scores the 30 yard screamers once a season as opposed to the holding midfielder whom perfectly directs every other game.Michael2009-09-26 15:56:05
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Depends on what is said and who is doing the listening. Each players are different and each coach is different. Most cases, the game plan is sorted out before the game with the players having a role of the plan. A good captain and a few senior/experienced players can stick to the plan and convey the plan on the field. It's when the plan fails or the players forget what they should be doing that they need to be remind from the sideline. The fact that the shouting is a reminder rather than a new concept introduced should not be foreign to the players on the field. If you have inexperienced players or there is poor communication within the team during the game, then you have a massive problem.

I find that usually if you provide a few simple instructions to each player to remind them of their role and what to focus on, then the overall balance of their game playing should be effective.

Depending which players you instruct and the position/role they are working with, you can set an overall team plan. The concept in playing for each other is one of the strongest ones to use in developing teamwork.

Some players (risk takers) need to know that it's ok to try different things, now and again but realise that they don't always have take a risk all the time as they could keep possession, others (risk adverse) need to know that they work to help the overall teamwork and balance but to try a couple of things if there is a chance that opens up. Some needs to know to work in communication with certain players, others need to know to change their direction of passing so they are not too predictable. Some need to know to that they need to support certain players, others need to know not to isolate themselves without support. It knowing each players nature and giving them balance in their play. At half time, you can refine their roles in respect to what they are actually doing on the field with the opposition. Also telling what they must adjust accordingly to the game situation. Bear in mind what they must do to work as a team, they will improve and be tighter in the second half.

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I used to shout a lot at Harry Potter, and he started putting on weight.
 
My wife shouts at me, and now I have put on weight.
 
People shout at Hard News all the time.
 
I think we are starting to see a pattern here........

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stevenivan wrote:

dairyflat wrote:

Having been around a few matches this season it's clear that a lot of our coaches are "one trick ponies" in that they shout. I don't mean shouting to players but shouting at players.


If we taken eleven as the maqic number then most teams will have several personality types within that eleven. So why do so many of our coaches seem to think that one means of "communication" will work for all players.

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Because they are not very good coaches.� Maybe they are just carrying on re-enacting� what they grew up with.� The better you have done your off field coaching the more you can shut up during the game.I suppose if you are a rep coach or a pro coach where you are selecting the squad first you can select only the players that like being shouted at but it's a bloody sad priority.� Club coaches who rant on the sideline are a blight and should retire to gardening or similar low blood pressure activities.


Nearly fell off my chair when you said that coaches who shout ay their players are not good coaches.
Half of all coaches in NZ and the EPL would be in this mode.
I have never heard such a load of crap in my life?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I think coaches shouting at players works in some cases...different people respond differently.

I've worked with kids who've burst into tears the second you even slightly raise your voice. On the flipside I know several players who've always had someone yelling at them (not just at football probably) and they play at their best when having instructions barked at them.

The trick seems to be working out what works for what players.

Thinking back to my playing days I had 2 stand out coaches; one was a younger guy, very laid back unless we really stuffed things up/showed ill discipline and the other a loud, angry pommy git who always seemed to be at full volume with a slight negative tone.


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On the other hand - can you imagine a coach being quiet and not saying a word during the game?
It is all about keeping the right amount of each. Be it shouting at players or keeping quiet in the right moment/with the right player. Some players need this 'push' from a coach, this extra bit of adrenaline which is created by gaffer shouting on the line. This is a part of football.

It is all a matter of having the right proportions - like with so many other things in life
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Ricki does the right amount of shouting.

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Michael wrote:
Feverish wrote:
shy people have no place in football. Good on him


Here in New Zealand we prefer big headed cocks as opposed to a far more skillful player.

The dude that scores the 30 yard screamers once a season as opposed to the holding midfielder whom perfectly directs every other game.
 
Best thing you've ever said on here mate. I completely agree.
 
Also i don't see the point in shouting or screaming at younger players. What good does it do their confidence?

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