WeeNix
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The ranking for us on that ELO is def more realistic. but does it include all games going back in time for ever? its taking over 300 games in to account for NZ? last i remember we play about 1 a year, so the Maori's must have been playing football long before NZ was discovered? Hopefully there are more Reid's out there.
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Latest FIFA rankings out.  No change for us, still ranked 130th.

 

Starting XI
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Whilst we languish at 130 due to lack of games, it's hard to bear our Aussie neighbours being 21 in the world (have been at that kind of ranking for several months now due to regular games in Asia.) 

Teams ranked lower than Australia: Japan, USA, Czech Republic, Paraguay, Norway, Ghana, Colombia, Turkey, Belgium, Romania, Scotland, Wales, Peru.

That would have been hard to believe a decade ago. 

Starting XI
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These two good results in Texas (which count as away results = more points) could well take the All Whites into the top 100.

Using the ranking calculator on the FIFA website:

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html

 

Ranking Prognosis
Possible Match Points

Current Points 256 Possible Ranking Points 341  
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SLV - NZL 2:2 1   1   151   0.865   130.615 HON - NZL 0:1 3   1   138   0.865   358.11

Depending on other teams' recent results, that would rocket us up to 99 in the world (Guyana currently occupy that position on 341 points).

We''ll advance even further assuming we win the OFC Nations Cup next month...

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NZ's likely new ranking based on latest results using the ranking calculator on the FIFA website:

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html

 

Ranking Prognosis:  Current Points 256

Possible Ranking Points 469

That would possibly take us as far as Number 74 in the world (depending on other teams' results):

                                                   (74 NZ 469)

  72 Iraq 476          73 Austria     475     74 Latvia 465     75 Canada 450 

NEXT RELEASE OF FIFA WORLD RANKINGS: JUNE 6 EUROPEAN TIME (probably won't include All Whites' result v Solomons)

  M * I * T * C = P PNG - NZL 1:2 3   2.5   50   0.85   318.75 FIJ - NZL 0:1 3   2.5   50   0.85   318.75 HON - NZL 0:1 3   1   138   0.865   358.11 SLV - NZL 2:2 1   1   151   0.865   130.615

 

 

Marquee
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NZ football just tweeted we are now ranked 100 (doesn't include OFC matches)

 

Marquee
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NZ football just tweeted we are now ranked 100 (doesn't include OFC matches)

 

 

A jump of 30 positions, nice. 

Other interesting moves:

-Uruguay second in world (behind Spain, in front of Germany).

-England up one to sixth (lol).

-France up two places to 14th (21 games undefeated).

-Portugal drop five to 10th (after a horrible run).

Starting XI
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That's a decent jump, but if only they'd calculated the rankings at the end of the OFC nations cup results as well. Then we might have jumped about 60 places, truly highlighting how inaccurate the Fifa Rankings are.

And now for a healthy anti-jinx, noting the presumptuous nature of the above comment, I was very impressed by the SI today. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we don't win this tournament, and am just pleased we are through the next round of World Cup qualifiers. 

 

As you were...

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RANKING OF OCEANIA TEAMS:

NZ are now 55 places above the next best Oceania side, New Caledonia.

Other places (Oceania ranking):

3. Samoa  149 pts   !!!!!! ?????

4. Fiji        133 pts

5. Vanuatu 103 pts

6. Tonga     88 pts  !!!!!!  ?????

7.  Tahiti     86 pts

8. Solomon Islands  75 pts  

9. American Samoa  61 Pts

10. Papua New Guinea: 34 pts

11. Cook Islands   28 pts

Of course, performances in the OFC Cup indicate Solomons should be much higher, PNG a little higher and Samoa way lower and probably absent Tonga lower.

Woof Woof
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I suspect the reason why Samoa and Tonga are so highly ranked is because they played in qualifiers for OFC Cup which as official games carried a few points, while the other Oceania sides were pretty much inactive during the same period.

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Making the rankings something of a joke?

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Woof Woof
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Tegal wrote:

Making the rankings something of a joke?

 

They pretty much are in Oceania, because teams here don't tend to play competetively very often.

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They also don't seem to play anyone other than themselves (excluding us). Well actually I'm just assuming they dont play in other countries

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Whilst we languish at 130 due to lack of games, it's hard to bear our Aussie neighbours being 21 in the world (have been at that kind of ranking for several months now due to regular games in Asia.) 

Teams ranked lower than Australia: Japan, USA, Czech Republic, Paraguay, Norway, Ghana, Colombia, Turkey, Belgium, Romania, Scotland, Wales, Peru.

That would have been hard to believe a decade ago. 

Won't change until after 2014 World Cup at the very very earliest. You're going to have to live with this for a fair while longer.

 

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el grapadura wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Making the rankings something of a joke?

 

They pretty much are.

 

Fixed.

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I expect the OFC Nations Cup winner, esp if it's Tahiti, could well leap frog us
Listen here Fudgeface
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New Caledonia will get a shitload of points (250) for beating us.

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patrick478 wrote:
The rating doesn't really reflect how compeditive we are, it reflects our lack of matches due to our location.

You would think that 120th place in the world would lose by a lot more than one goal to 50th place.

And the cost of bringing teams to thsi part of the world.

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Using the "rankings prognosis" calculator on the FIFA website, we should stay about the same around the 100 mark despite losing to New Caledonia.

New Caledonia (already ranked second-best in Oceania by FIFA) should stay second a long way back at about 148.

Tahiti (only ranked 7th in Oceania in the current rankings) will only move from their current 179 to about 151.

The rankings class all OFC Nations Cup games equally as competitive matches eligible for maximum weighting, with no distinctions for the semi-finals or final or third-fourth play-off. So us losing to New Caledonia is balanced by other teams' results and is not majorly significant in terms of rankings since we were W:3 D:1 L:1 over the tournament, New Caledonia 3:0:2 and Tahiti, despite winning all their games, too low in FIFA's rankings and their wins were over sides ranked too low for it to have much impact.

The rankings also give a lot of weight to historical results over previous months, which helps NZ compared to the Pacific teams.

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FIFA will publish the July rankings on 4 July, and I've just been looking at the unconfirmed preview of those.

The interesting news is that NZ is forecast to move into the top 100 despite the Solomons disaster, more precisely to 95. Tahiti will be the second best Oceania side at 138, followed by New Caledonia at 143. The Solomons will be 174, one place below Samoa.

Of the other interesting tidbits, England will go into the top 4, Italy have returned to the top 10 at 6, Croatia remain in the top ten at 9, and for the first time since the rankings have begun, Brazil has slipped out of the top 10, at 11 (their previous worst ranking was 8 in 1993). USA has also reached its lowest ever ranking at 36 (beating 35 in 1997), and our dear Australia is out of the top 20 at 23.

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Even as an Englishman myself, cannot see how we are the fourth best team in the World? I like the rankings, they serve a purpose and pretty much on the whole give a good reflection of form, but England 4th?
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Weren't they unbeaten for quite a few games before euro? 

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Nice to see the All Whites back in the top 100 though, although they're not as important in the OFC as say for countries in UEFA, CAF and AFC. In Europe nations are placed in seeded pots for World Cup and European Championship qualifying groups according to world ranking, similar in Asia & Africa too. Even after the horror show in the Solomons, NZ are unlikely to be over taken by Tahiti or Fiji in the rankings, mainly because it was a blip for us, but the Pacific nations don't play enough games, against top 100 opposition to move up the ladder. NZ would have to get in the top 50, even top 30 for their status to change when it comes to World Cup finals draws, or Confederation Cup seedings. Doubt Mr Blatter would award an automatic WC spot for Oceania just because NZ surged up the rankings. But anyway, nice to see them on the up! Next stop, top 80!
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Tegal wrote:

Weren't they unbeaten for quite a few games before euro? 

Yeah good point, 1-0 friendly wins over Spain, Sweden, Norway & Belgium in the build up probably helped England, only lost to Holland over 90 mins since August 2011.
Woof Woof
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Not to mention they were unbeaten at the EURO.

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New Zealand are 95 now in the FIFA Rankings

 

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html?intcmp=fifacom_hp_module_ranking

Listen here Fudgeface
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If we had won every game at the Nations Cup, we would be up around 65th, near to teams like El Salvador.

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el grapadura wrote:

 Brazil has slipped out of the top 10, at 11 (their previous worst ranking was 8 in 1993). 

An anomaly you won't see the likes of again for a long time explained by the current emphasis Brazil are placing on their Olympic side. They've been entering their Olympic side of mostly u-23 players with a couple of over-age in the place of their full national side in their last four internationals. Although they comfortably accounted for Denmark's Euro 2012 side and the full US team, they lost their last two games last month to the full Mexico and Argentina national sides.

Brazil have only fielded their senior national side in one game this year, a 2-1 win over Bosnia.

I fear our Oly Whites could suffer some humiliation from Brazil's emphasis on their Olympic side. They've had a policy of not making any distinctions between their Olympic side and full national side this year, as their manager has decided to use the Olympic side as a basis for his future World Cup side and retire many of the older players.  They're very serious about adding the Olympic trophy to their cabinet this time, the only world football title they've never won...

Early retirement
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We'll have won two by then and put out the ressies to give them a chance.

a.k.a AJ13
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Big Pete 65 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

 Brazil has slipped out of the top 10, at 11 (their previous worst ranking was 8 in 1993). 

An anomaly you won't see the likes of again for a long time explained by the current emphasis Brazil are placing on their Olympic side. They've been entering their Olympic side of mostly u-23 players with a couple of over-age in the place of their full national side in their last four internationals. Although they comfortably accounted for Denmark's Euro 2012 side and the full US team, they lost their last two games last month to the full Mexico and Argentina national sides.

Brazil have only fielded their senior national side in one game this year, a 2-1 win over Bosnia.

I fear our Oly Whites could suffer some humiliation from Brazil's emphasis on their Olympic side. They've had a policy of not making any distinctions between their Olympic side and full national side this year, as their manager has decided to use the Olympic side as a basis for his future World Cup side and retire many of the older players.  They're very serious about adding the Olympic trophy to their cabinet this time, the only world football title they've never won...

Not just the Olympics causing this - they qualilfy as hosts for the next WC so theres no worry about fielding full strength players/maintaining consistency ahead of said qualifiers

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/06/fifa-defend-rankings-system

Marquee
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New Zealand up three places to 92nd on latest FIFA rankings.

Top eleven CONCACAF nations are all ranked higher than NZ. Makes no difference at all in a home and away playoff

above was tweeted by Piney today




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 Isn't Trinidad and Tobago and Haiti out of the 2014 FIFA World Cup qualifiying?

Woof Woof
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They are indeed.

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Up to 90 as of last week, top 12 concacaf nations still ahead of us.

TV
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AJ13 wrote:

Up to 90 as of last week, top 12 concacaf nations still ahead of us.


The matter f all. Haiti? Cmon. 

Listen here Fudgeface
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tripvincent wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Up to 90 as of last week, top 12 concacaf nations still ahead of us.


The matter f all. Haiti? Cmon. 

And in English?
TV
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patrick478 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Up to 90 as of last week, top 12 concacaf nations still ahead of us.


The matter f all. Haiti? Cmon. 

And in English?


Ahh typing on a smart phone. It matters f all i said

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