Effecting Change at NZF

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Wow these are some big statements, but maybe we look at some facts:

1. Des and Greenie inherited a team that Ernie was unable to squeeze any blood out of. No players came in during this time and he also had to contend with All Whites games and the subsequent loss of those players while the league continued. Des also gave the likes of Sarpreet their A-League debuts.

If I remember rightly the points that they gained during that time would have had them in a playoff spot.

For whatever reason Morrison decided not to go with Des and instead go for a supposed name with great experience in Dario. I think we were all scratching our heads when he was announced and we all know how that ended up.

2. throughout the 20s and 23’s Des did not have at his disposal a consistent playing group, but what did stay consistent was the playing style and philosophy and the results and ongoing success. 49 players used and some people talk that he had the West’s boys so it made it easy. Only Eli, Callum and Nando played any real part and they were only involved in the Games in Poland. They were unavailable for all other games. There has been no consistency of player availability throughout the u19Quals/u20 WC, Pacific Games, Aussie internationals or u23 Quals so nothing was ever consistent hence 49 players. The fact that they continued to play the same way but with different personal and not resort to giving up possession, defending deep and kicking it long (traditional view of NZ teams) was testament to his tactical ability, player development and man management.

The Pacific Games showed how good a coach he is, winning a competition in the Islands against full national sides (a couple of teams the All Whites had struggled to beat 2 years earlier in the Nations Cup) with no preparation and a team with an average age of U20 (with only 2 players from the WC who were both reserves). If I remember rightly there were 10 debutants (out of a squad of 19. All other teams had 23) who in the past had been overlooked at both U17 and U20 levels. He was forced to select players who weren’t even starting for their Northern League teams. So that totally debunks you saying he had the most talented players at his disposal.

3. the one thing I do agree 100% with you on is he will go on to bigger and better things 


Very good response. In fact I have heard  only 2 players featured in every one of Des's campaigns, Cameron Brown and Dane Schnell. I still think he worked miracles given what he was given in terms of time and talent. I will always follow his career with interest and have said on these forums it is a great loss to the wider NZ football community. Where someone leaves something in better shape than he found it, that is always progress, and the mostly universal praise in social media tells us all how we enjoyed it!

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Yeah but Danny Hay won the National League and, uh, the NZ secondary schools competition.

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Nelfoos wrote:

Yeah but Danny Hay won the National League and, uh, the NZ secondary schools competition.

Funny how those players (Hay/Fallon etc) were critical of the NZF & football in general in New Zealand so NZF co-opt them into the bureaucratic fold. Classic corporate move to silence dissent.

Mr Positive

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Come March 2022, and Intercontinental Playoffs NZF will be hoping for victory and an AWs appearance in Qatar, or worse case another TV rights bonanza aka Mexico. 

I imagine there is a limited number of opponents that would net a similar large TV deal. USA/Mexico from CONCACAF, Argentina/Colombia (presuming Brazil would never be in that 5th CONMEBOL spot) and likes of Japan, South Korea & Saudi from AFC.

Anyone know when FIFA plan to do the Intercontinental Playoff draw?

It's still a pretty healthy balance sheet for the moment, but I imagine finances in following 4 cycle to USA 2026, would get tight for all the national teams (and NZ Football as a whole) without some sort of large finance win in 2022. I guess this is why NZF will be very happy for OFC to get a guaranteed spot at a bloated 48 team WC in 2026.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/121610112/nz-football-announces-significant-financial-loss-but-reaches-board-diversity-target

"The $764,000 loss for 2019 was announced on Thursday following the game's annual congress, held online due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

It was a $178,000 improvement on the budgeted loss of $942,000, which meant NZ Football did not make a planned $400,000 transfer from its international teams reserve fund."

"NZ Football has made a habit over the past decade of using transfers from the international teams fund to announce surpluses in years where its overall financial position worsened.

If you look at annual results before transfers, the $764,000 loss in 2019 was $1000 less than 2018’s $765,000 loss, as well as being smaller than those recorded in 2012 ($964,000) and 2016 ($1.7m), which still makes it the fourth-largest this century.

NZ Football’s reserves reached a high mark of $8.7m in 2013, after the organisation received a sizeable windfall from selling the TV rights to the All Whites’ World Cup qualifying playoff against Mexico that year."


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coochiee wrote:

Come March 2022, and Intercontinental Playoffs NZF will be hoping for victory and an AWs appearance in Qatar, or worse case another TV rights bonanza aka Mexico. 

I imagine there is a limited number of opponents that would net a similar large TV deal. USA/Mexico from CONCACAF, Argentina/Colombia (presuming Brazil would never be in that 5th CONMEBOL spot) and likes of Japan, South Korea & Saudi from AFC.

Anyone know when FIFA plan to do the Intercontinental Playoff draw?

It's still a pretty healthy balance sheet for the moment, but I imagine finances in following 4 cycle to USA 2026, would get tight for all the national teams (and NZ Football as a whole) without some sort of large finance win in 2022. I guess this is why NZF will be very happy for OFC to get a guaranteed spot at a bloated 48 team WC in 2026.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/121610112/nz-football-announces-significant-financial-loss-but-reaches-board-diversity-target

"The $764,000 loss for 2019 was announced on Thursday following the game's annual congress, held online due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

It was a $178,000 improvement on the budgeted loss of $942,000, which meant NZ Football did not make a planned $400,000 transfer from its international teams reserve fund."

"NZ Football has made a habit over the past decade of using transfers from the international teams fund to announce surpluses in years where its overall financial position worsened.

If you look at annual results before transfers, the $764,000 loss in 2019 was $1000 less than 2018’s $765,000 loss, as well as being smaller than those recorded in 2012 ($964,000) and 2016 ($1.7m), which still makes it the fourth-largest this century.

NZ Football’s reserves reached a high mark of $8.7m in 2013, after the organisation received a sizeable windfall from selling the TV rights to the All Whites’ World Cup qualifying playoff against Mexico that year."

The intercontinental playoff draw has been an enigma this cycle. At this stage, I'd guess either A, when Fifa is in a position to release a post-Covid update to the international calendar (which could also include it being pushed beyond March 2022) or B, a year from now at Fifa's next in-person annual congress.

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The sooner the better for NZF surely, re trying to plan friendlies against possible 'similar opposition'.

And yes of course AWs need to qualify out of OFC first.

But given most if not all of 2021's FIFA windows will be taken up now with OFC qualifiers, March 2022 will roll round very quickly, so whatever quality friendlies NZF can lock in pre then will be very important.

Though wouldn't be surprised if FIFA pushed back the intercontinental playoffs, until say June of 2022 - given Qatar WC is not until Nov/Dec 2022.

Playoffs in June would greatly held AWs prep time (could go into a proper 2 week camp together), not being sandwiched into European/A League/MLS club seasons like March playoffs would be. And no opposition side will like coming to Auckland or Wellington in June!

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Recently sacked NZ coach was rated NZ mens coach of the year, retained coach was not:

https://twitter.com/NZ_Football/status/13115494050...

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