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Effecting Change at NZF

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Football makes further gains

New Executive Committee member elections comprised:

President Deryck Shaw

Vice President Michael Anderson

New members Caroline Beaumont Scott Moran

Existing members Mark Aspden Philip Barry Paul Cochrane Suzanne Griffin

In addition, the Congress approved the election of Garth Galloway as the new Honorary President.

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NZF...

Please (in future) don't schedule your national camps the week of the quarterfinals of your own knockout cup...

Are you trying to seriously injure your future stars before they can even pull on the fern???

The women's quarters were on this weekend... The same weekend of the NZ U17 and U20 camps...

Sigh...

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NZF -

Change required. Now.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads

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Doloras wrote:

How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

You can't win. Learn to enjoy the humour of it.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Andy Martin TO DO List

  1. Ring that headhunter in London
  2. Announce that after a comprehensive review, the national league will continue it its present format for the forseeable future
  3. Sack Hudson
  4. Sack Fred
  5. Apologise to Jose
  6. Go on leave, day before U17 World Cup bombshell drops. All questions will be handled by David at OFC. For local angle speak to Sam, Steve, Kev
  7. Tell Ivan to apply for my job, but not to wear skinny trou and pointy shoes...and get a haircut, son
  8. Is it too late to get on the 2015 Rugby World Cup jobs bandwagon?
  9. Ring that headhunter in London

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The irony of this is that a lot of these 'stuff ups' seem to be made by 'football' people - the very type that Fallon seems to want.

If I were to generalise for a moment, I can recall when the CEO call went out, there seemed to be a feeling amongst the old guard that this person should know football. To be fair to Martin, I think he fronts the media well and has generally made the right moves while he has been running the ship but its the people under him that seem to consistently drop him in it in one form or another. Most of those people are 'football people' it would seem.

Perhaps we NZF needs to be more business orientated as opposed to football orientated and can do the job correctly 1st as opposed to with the eye on football 1st.

Again, I generalise but thats the impression I seem to get when I look at it.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Well if we get booted out of the U-17's as well then we'll get to see what he's made of. 

#accountability

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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My hope is that we have someone (whether it be Martin or not doesn't overly concern me) who has the skills and desire to lead and transform NZF into a modern, successful sporting organisation, considering our sporting environment and physical location. In my opinion, it is not a 3 year job for people passing through.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Our players deserve better then this! They have been treated like shark for so long by NZF. Change is needed. 

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Seems to me (as an outsider) a lot of the issues are around internal processes and capability (I may be biased as it's kinda what I do) and a lack of engagement or buy-in for people to want/need to do better. The "this is what we do because this is what we've done" mentality which is fine in an area where there is little/no change or need for interpretation or initiative (or an assumption of common sense).

This is not at all uncommon in organisations where people come from disparate, often community focused backgrounds into a central organisation which lacks leadership and identity. Often, people also come from places where they're used to being in "control" of their wee patch and can tend to become quite protective and defensive, which leads to am unwillingness to change and adapt.

In the case of NZF, this seems to have been exacerbated by the relatively high staff turnover so that the end result is "we don't know what we're doing". And there's nobody for them to lean on so those in leadership roles have little institutional knowledge to call on, leading to poor decisions.

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SurgeQld wrote:

Seems to me (as an outsider) a lot of the issues are around internal processes and capability (I may be biased as it's kinda what I do) and a lack of engagement or buy-in for people to want/need to do better. The "this is what we do because this is what we've done" mentality which is fine in an area where there is little/no change or need for interpretation or initiative (or an assumption of common sense).

This is not at all uncommon in organisations where people come from disparate, often community focused backgrounds into a central organisation which lacks leadership and identity. Often, people also come from places where they're used to being in "control" of their wee patch and can tend to become quite protective and defensive, which leads to am unwillingness to change and adapt.

In the case of NZF, this seems to have been exacerbated by the relatively high staff turnover so that the end result is "we don't know what we're doing". And there's nobody for them to lean on so those in leadership roles have little institutional knowledge to call on, leading to poor decisions.

Umm.. Martin & Hudson came in as outsiders, sure. But wasn't Fred DJ a vice president of OFC before he became entrusted with off-field team issues as NZF High Performance Director?

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Umm.. Martin & Hudson came in as outsiders, sure. But wasn't Fred DJ a vice president of OFC before he became entrusted with off-field team issues as NZF High Performance Director?

Was reference more to the back office staff - besides which, few Chiefs know the day to day workings of the Indians. I don't profess to be an expert on NZF - purely an observation as an outsider.
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Well my observation as an outsider is that it seems the height of irony that the guy who was presumably responsible for vetting NZF player eligibility was once vice president of the very organisation that has now denied us Olympic (and possibly WC U-17) finals action.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Well my observation as an outsider is that it seems the height of irony that the guy who was presumably responsible for vetting NZF player eligibility was once vice president of the very organisation that has now denied us Olympic (and possibly WC U-17) finals action.

Agreed - but what did he actually DO?... Seemingly eff-all.
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Welnix could do a way better job managing at NZF level then the current muppets. Introducing an attractive style of football for our national team using a balance of current and younger players - all eligible to play as well.

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Reports in UK saying the FA is set to axe 300 of their current 900 staff. Expect more Pommie accents.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Doloras wrote:

How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

Seems to have worked for them. But then, they do not have a mentality that an English accent is a substitute for proven competence when it comes to running a football organisation. 

Incidentally, a few of their(FFA that is) CEOs  came from a non-football background, but from a decent sport management background in their own country (NRL, AFL, NRL again).  Did not seem to have harmed them, and they've mostly avoided any amateurish stuff-ups.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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Jeff Vader wrote:

The irony of this is that a lot of these 'stuff ups' seem to be made by 'football' people - the very type that Fallon seems to want.

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Perhaps we NZF needs to be more business orientated as opposed to football orientated and can do the job correctly 1st as opposed to with the eye on football 1st. Again, I generalise but thats the impression I seem to get when I look at it.

That was also my point precisely.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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double post

Edited by Mainland FC August 05, 2015 21:04

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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