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How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

Seems to have worked for them. But then, they do not have a mentality that an English accent is a substitute for proven competence when it comes to running a football organisation. 

Incidentally, a few of their(FFA that is) CEOs  came from a non-football background, but from a decent sport management background in their own country (NRL, AFL, NRL again).  Did not seem to have harmed them, and they've mostly avoided any amateurish stuff-ups.

Yeah but there are 3 things against this

1: NZF is amateur hour. Holding a position of power has not been career advancing for anyone (maybe Bill McGowan but yeah...)

2: No idea what the pay is but I doubt its huge. Same could be said for other sports organisations I guess

3: Talent pool. Name someone with any credibility at sports management. The talent pool is thin and those that would be named, already have a gig.

When I think of the 2 best sports administrators in Jim Doyle and Martin Snedden, the rest would be secondary to them and those guys earn far more than NZF would pay at higher profile gigs. In the case of Snedden, I think he could walk into any job and name his price such is his success rate and gravatas. When you come back down the talent pool, what are you getting thats going to be effective for what you are going to pay? David White would trip over his own shoelaces if he knew how to tie them together and he runs NZC.

Personally, I would mortgage NZF to the eyeballs to get Snedden as CEO for 4 years. I think he would shake it up and it would eventually pay for itself.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Doloras wrote:

How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

Seems to have worked for them. But then, they do not have a mentality that an English accent is a substitute for proven competence when it comes to running a football organisation. 

Incidentally, a few of their(FFA that is) CEOs  came from a non-football background, but from a decent sport management background in their own country (NRL, AFL, NRL again).  Did not seem to have harmed them, and they've mostly avoided any amateurish stuff-ups.

Yeah but there are 3 things against this

1: NZF is amateur hour. Holding a position of power has not been career advancing for anyone (maybe Bill McGowan but yeah...)

2: No idea what the pay is but I doubt its huge. Same could be said for other sports organisations I guess

3: Talent pool. Name someone with any credibility at sports management. The talent pool is thin and those that would be named, already have a gig.

When I think of the 2 best sports administrators in Jim Doyle and Martin Snedden, the rest would be secondary to them and those guys earn far more than NZF would pay at higher profile gigs. In the case of Snedden, I think he could walk into any job and name his price such is his success rate and gravatas. When you come back down the talent pool, what are you getting thats going to be effective for what you are going to pay? David White would trip over his own shoelaces if he knew how to tie them together and he runs NZC.

Personally, I would mortgage NZF to the eyeballs to get Snedden as CEO for 4 years. I think he would shake it up and it would eventually pay for itself.

I believe the CEO job pays over 150k. So not peanuts.

Other staff in the office however...

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Smithy wrote:

I believe the CEO job pays over 150k. So not peanuts.

Other staff in the office however...

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Yeah but if you are a CEO, $150k (and lets just go $200k for the sake of argument) is peanuts. Good department managers in organisations can get that so why go through the grief and bullshark that is NZF CEO for peanuts.

I personally think thats low paying. Not peanuts by todays wage but certainly in terms of CEO wages.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah but if you are a CEO, $150k (and lets just go $200k for the sake of argument) is peanuts. Good department managers in organisations can get that so why go through the grief and bullshark that is NZF CEO for peanuts.

I personally think thats low paying. Not peanuts by todays wage but certainly in terms of CEO wages.

yeah but apparently comes with zero accountability 😉
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Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah but if you are a CEO, $150k (and lets just go $200k for the sake of argument) is peanuts. Good department managers in organisations can get that so why go through the grief and bullshark that is NZF CEO for peanuts.

I personally think thats low paying. Not peanuts by todays wage but certainly in terms of CEO wages.

 

Maybe you're more up with the play on CEO wages than I am. But for a small business $200k is a pretty reasonable CEO wage.

Let's remember that the turnover and staff numbers of NZF aren't any more than your local BP service station.

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Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

 

I was only talking in terms of salary comparison.

If your salary comparison for CEO is other small national sports bodies then NZF would be one of the top payers. 

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Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

 

I was only talking in terms of salary comparison.

If your salary comparison for CEO is other small national sports bodies then NZF would be one of the top payers. 

Yeah I agree with you on that one. Outside netball, cricket and rugby, the rest of the jobs would be peanuts.

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I'm not sure that even netball would be paying much

Edited by Napier Phoenix August 07, 2015 14:42
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Jeff Vader wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

 

I was only talking in terms of salary comparison.

If your salary comparison for CEO is other small national sports bodies then NZF would be one of the top payers. 

Yeah I agree with you on that one. Outside netball, cricket and rugby, the rest of the jobs would be peanuts.

Yes, but given the football player base in this country has to be in top 3, surely.

Remembering that NZF receives money from EVERY single registered player in New Zealand each year - that's all the way from midget to senior players...

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I'm not sure that even netball would be paying much

Wouldnt be so sure of that,i doubt Realene Castle would have come cheap.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

 

I was only talking in terms of salary comparison.

If your salary comparison for CEO is other small national sports bodies then NZF would be one of the top payers. 

Yeah I agree with you on that one. Outside netball, cricket and rugby, the rest of the jobs would be peanuts.

Yes, but given the football player base in this country has to be in top 3, surely.

Remembering that NZF receives money from EVERY single registered player in New Zealand each year - that's all the way from midget to senior players...

That is precisely why I invoke the issue of missing accountability in NZF = because all players pay for the NZF salaries.

I suppose there might be enough people in the country who have decent background in management and maybe even sports management who are happy to take on a job in football. My point they do not have to have a football management background to be the CEO of NZF. My analogy was based on relative success of FFA in Australia where they recruited ex oval-ball CEOs because there may not have been managers of the calibre that the new organisation (FFA as opposed to the old Soccer Australia) required.

In other words, once there is a new broom put through that cozy shop at NZF over this eligibility fiasco, we could look beyond the football guys, local English Dutch or whatever. A combination of "skills, passion, and a modest lifestyle expectation" sounds about right for the CV :-)

Edited by Mainland FC August 10, 2015 22:43

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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In an ideal world the huge legal bill coming for NZF's frivilous legal appeal against their Olywhite disqualification should come out of the wages of the people who screwed up. i.e NZF staff. But instead the bill will be paid from the annual subs of the thousands of kids who play the game. Think of the children!!!!

I guess we will have to wait until next year for NZF's annual accounts to see how much has gone out in "legal fees"

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Didn't the clown from CF who was involved in the 11 team league fiasco get on the NZF Board? Sums it up really

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Feverish wrote:

Didn't the clown from CF who was involved in the 11 team league fiasco get on the NZF Board? Sums it up really

 

The CF chap is also the OFC representative, just to add lighter fluid to your fire.

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Mainland FC wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

 

I was only talking in terms of salary comparison.

If your salary comparison for CEO is other small national sports bodies then NZF would be one of the top payers. 

Yeah I agree with you on that one. Outside netball, cricket and rugby, the rest of the jobs would be peanuts.

Yes, but given the football player base in this country has to be in top 3, surely.

Remembering that NZF receives money from EVERY single registered player in New Zealand each year - that's all the way from midget to senior players...

That is precisely why I invoke the issue of missing accountability in NZF = because all players pay for the NZF salaries.

I suppose there might be enough people in the country who have decent background in management and maybe even sports management who are happy to take on a job in football. My point they do not have to have a football management background to be the CEO of NZF. My analogy was based on relative success of FFA in Australia where they recruited ex oval-ball CEOs because there may not have been managers of the calibre that the new organisation (FFA as opposed to the old Soccer Australia) required.

In other words, once there is a new broom put through that cozy shop at NZF over this eligibility fiasco, we could look beyond the football guys, local English Dutch or whatever. A combination of "skills, passion, and a modest lifestyle expectation" sounds about right for the CV :-)

Isn't most of that cash at Federation level and not filtered up to NZF?

I have to say, I'd be very very surprised if there is a cleanout over this. One of the things I find a little odd is that Glyn Taylor did the eligibility stuff when I thought it would have been the technical team. Was there cross over from his time at NZF and FDJ? Did Taylor pass this onto Chris Kemp? Where does it sit now? So many questions.

While I would like FDJ to go, the more I think about it, I do kinda wonder if this does fall under him.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Depends if we classify NZF it as a small business or not. If we do, then fair enough.

I don't. Its a national body (an incompetent one but a national one) and perhaps thats part of the problem - people see it as a 'small business'

 

I was only talking in terms of salary comparison.

If your salary comparison for CEO is other small national sports bodies then NZF would be one of the top payers. 

Yeah I agree with you on that one. Outside netball, cricket and rugby, the rest of the jobs would be peanuts.

Yes, but given the football player base in this country has to be in top 3, surely.

Remembering that NZF receives money from EVERY single registered player in New Zealand each year - that's all the way from midget to senior players...

That is precisely why I invoke the issue of missing accountability in NZF = because all players pay for the NZF salaries.

I suppose there might be enough people in the country who have decent background in management and maybe even sports management who are happy to take on a job in football. My point they do not have to have a football management background to be the CEO of NZF. My analogy was based on relative success of FFA in Australia where they recruited ex oval-ball CEOs because there may not have been managers of the calibre that the new organisation (FFA as opposed to the old Soccer Australia) required.

In other words, once there is a new broom put through that cozy shop at NZF over this eligibility fiasco, we could look beyond the football guys, local English Dutch or whatever. A combination of "skills, passion, and a modest lifestyle expectation" sounds about right for the CV :-)

Isn't most of that cash at Federation level and not filtered up to NZF?

I have to say, I'd be very very surprised if there is a cleanout over this. One of the things I find a little odd is that Glyn Taylor did the eligibility stuff when I thought it would have been the technical team. Was there cross over from his time at NZF and FDJ? Did Taylor pass this onto Chris Kemp? Where does it sit now? So many questions.

While I would like FDJ to go, the more I think about it, I do kinda wonder if this does fall under him.

in the AFF area for a senior player there is very little change out of $100 which goes to AFF and NZF.  I don't have the breakdown with me but for me this is the number 1 area which is stopping football grow - some sports it's only $150 total for a senior player but in football clubs have to cover costs as well as levies which pushes most senior subs into the $200-$300 mark.

Would be slightly more bearable if they did good things with the levy.....

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Just heard on RS news De Jong is goneski... not sure whether jumped or pushed. No doubt more to come...

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Maybe NZF do listen to the football public... I don't think there will be many shedding a tear for poor old Fred. Means he needs his Sky gig more than ever now (which is actually a bad thing for the rest of us)

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