Effecting Change at NZF

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terminator_x wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of Competition Structures - see p. 20 and 21.

A League: 2 NZ teams (Wngtn Phoenix plus another Auckland based team, each having developmental teams playing in the ASB).

Whether you agree with it or not there is one of the key pieces in the ASBP puzzle: NZF see the A-League as being the top of the NZ football competition pyramid.

Quite a significant point that they are including the A-League within the scope of NZ's competition structure, rather than treating it as an exception.

I agree with that. It is a pragmatic reality.

Will be a meltdown amongst some in Australia if that happens - would love that.

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terminator_x wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of Competition Structures - see p. 20 and 21.

A League: 2 NZ teams (Wngtn Phoenix plus another Auckland based team, each having developmental teams playing in the ASB).

Whether you agree with it or not there is one of the key pieces in the ASBP puzzle: NZF see the A-League as being the top of the NZ football competition pyramid.

Quite a significant point that they are including the A-League within the scope of NZ's competition structure, rather than treating it as an exception.

I agree with that. It is a pragmatic reality.

I, emphatically, disagree with it. 

  • It's out of NZF's control - FFA could cut us off whenever they like.
  • It sends the wrong message - no confidence in NZ's league.
  • Disrespectful to fans.

Would go on... And on... And on but I think you know my feelings on this.

PS Congratulations on writing a post without mentioning the pokies at least 473 times.

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alireggae wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of Competition Structures - see p. 20 and 21.

A League: 2 NZ teams (Wngtn Phoenix plus another Auckland based team, each having developmental teams playing in the ASB).

Whether you agree with it or not there is one of the key pieces in the ASBP puzzle: NZF see the A-League as being the top of the NZ football competition pyramid.

Quite a significant point that they are including the A-League within the scope of NZ's competition structure, rather than treating it as an exception.

I agree with that. It is a pragmatic reality.

I, emphatically, disagree with it. 

  • It's out of NZF's control - FFA could cut us off whenever they like. Superstition
  • It sends the wrong message - no confidence in NZ's league. Professional over Amateur all day long. 
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Would go on... And on... And on but I think you know my feelings on this.

PS Congratulations on writing a post without mentioning the pokies at least 473 times.

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Royz wrote:

  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

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I don't know the history of governance in NZ football and whether something like they have announced today has happened before, but surely even announcing a plan like this and articulating a pretty clear vision is a good sign?

Looking from afar, it seems as if the new CEO is doing a pretty good job and is trying to at least develop a clear vision/strategy. How he implements it is then the next question. But at least anything they do need to try and finance now has a clear path, any potential sponsor can see how their involvement fits into the jigsaw. It's a positive piece of work, even if it is only the beginning.

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needs more meat than a couple of poms fresh off the boat speaking in recycled generalisations 

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3. Over the long term, strengthen the high performance supply pathway by ensuring football becomes stronger at the franchise and club level, so that a decentralised model (for talent development, high performance programs,academies etc.) evolves.

Regarding 3 above, the typical international player development model in professional football is club based. That is the national associations do not operate centralised high performance systems and programs. Professional clubs run the high performance part of the game around their needs, to be successful in highly competitive longitudinal competitions. National Associations select players from clubs for national teams as they need them.Football in New Zealand has been built domestically on the amateur game and the logical evolution has been to centralize high performance around the national squads. New Zealand Football’s vision is that football becomes stronger at franchise and club level, so that in future a decentralised model (for talent development, high performance programs, academies etc.)evolves, creating a more effective early player development system and ultimately improving the strength of the overall high performance system.

Which is fine in theory, but the overseas clubs that are developing talent to international level have significant resources available to do so.  Here in NZ the average club needs to run sausage sizzles to raise money for new junior kit or goals. 

Are NZF proposing that they help fund clubs to develop the players, or are they suggesting they cut FTC programmes and hope the clubs pickup the slack ?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, otherwise I'm reading this document as 'we need more more money, but want the clubs to develop players for us'...

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Feverish wrote:

needs more meat than a couple of poms fresh off the boat speaking in recycled generalisations 

Agreed!! There is enough of them coaching at Phoenix

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Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Doubt there's that many left.....

Do you know what nemesis means

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bopman wrote:

I don't know the history of governance in NZ football and whether something like they have announced today has happened before, but surely even announcing a plan like this and articulating a pretty clear vision is a good sign?

Looking from afar, it seems as if the new CEO is doing a pretty good job and is trying to at least develop a clear vision/strategy. How he implements it is then the next question. But at least anything they do need to try and finance now has a clear path, any potential sponsor can see how their involvement fits into the jigsaw. It's a positive piece of work, even if it is only the beginning.

Seriously. This is about the third one of these in the last 6 years.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Whole of football anyone?

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That is different News. That is youth development.

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BrickTop wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Doubt there's that many left.....

Yeah, so I see the general public holds their own national league in just as high regard as NZF.

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Do you need a Brit passport to be part of the new love in btwn NZF and the nix ? Martin, Sherman, Hudson, Merrick, Hedge, Ibrom....

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Not like its never been done before ....

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Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Prefer the beer tent myself. (JM aged 94 and 1/2)

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Please take time to answer this ....

Doloras knows whats happening at Kiwitea Str because:

1] She's there every week 

2]She's a huge ACFC fan [ and always has been ]

3] She's psychic 

4] She can count 

actually none of these seem right , all better replies accepted gratefully ...

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Do you need a Brit passport to be part of the new love in btwn NZF and the nix ? Martin, Sherman, Hudson, Merrick, Hedge, Ibrom....

Global Game....go to your room!!!!!

Don't you know that Brit is better.......

This was covered in a couple of pods last month. All the AW coaches, Nix coaches, Junior NZ football coaches are Brits....also there is only one kiwi coaching at ASB level. If you are a  kiwi coach don't bother about putting your hand up in NZ.

This is fantastic because we know how successful the "British method" of playing is, internationally. This is sarcasm by the way. You kind of wonder if loads of Brit coaches head out to the colonies because they get squeezed out domestically by Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese etc coaches who actually know how to coach the modern game. Nationality should not matter but its been shown that the Brit coach development system is a disaster. If kiwis are not good enough I would have no problems seeing a better mix of coaches.....a few Dutchies, Spaniards would be a nice change

(I don't include Hudson in this....he has a refreshing international coaching perspective)

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2ndBest wrote:

That is different News. That is youth development.

 

Umm, it certainly is not just youth development.

Or were you being sarcastic?

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Thu, 04 Dec 2014 9:16a.m.

New Zealand Football chief executive Andy Martin joins the show to discuss the organisation’s new ‘Beyond Football’ high performance blueprint, which was unveiled yesterday.

http://www.radiolivesport.co.nz/Andy-Martin/tabid/454/articleID/21547/Default.aspx

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