I was wrong about Sasse, but it was a big and sudden turnaround. I'm not upset I was wrong to be clear.
I'm still suspect on Sasse. Even his first touch for his goal was him miscontrolling.
I think we will suss him out shortly, looking promising to me.
I watched Sasse from the stand in the first half last Saturday. I was a non-believer a week ago. Saw him in the flesh at Fraser Park for the reserves and being mighty impressed but wrote that off as thinking that any import should look mighty impressive for the reserves, as should any first team regular for that matter.
So last Saturday, as i said, I focused on him a fair bit. For those who have only seen him on tv, it it is not so much what he does on the ball, it is the constant runs and support he gave off the ball that was impressive. i am actually thinking he might actually turn out to be even better than Uli by the end of the season.
My reactions live spammed: your balls, your word Could he really omg Re-read * splutter* in amazement dreams of what a high scoring team might be with the introduction of a player better than Uli Championes, championes too late? Butterflies Doubts, negativity Phhhhh, over excitement. Posting and going back to read again. Edit Confirms: Correspondent seems sober and not given to wild fits of optimism or excessive enthusiasm. Repeat from top.
It seems like Corica is pretty much on the way out. Reliable sources report Sydney FC held an emergency meeting after their 3-0 loss to Macarthur and are looking for a replacement for next season.
Hope Uffie isn't on their radar, although he very much might be.
Yes and no, he has a phobia of flying so that's gonna suck, but everything else he seems to be happy with. He said in the past that he's ambitious and want's to coach at the highest level, but wants to stay in one place and build success before moving on to bigger and better things - this was based on advice from Ange.
So, the question is - does he think he can build that success here or is Sydney a better spring board for his ambitions?
And based on some of the investments made recently in things like facilities as well as the stability that the Phoenix have, I don't know if Sydney is necessarily a better bet right now.
I’m not sure about us being the better bet (maybe) Sydney are a Manchester City and we are a Crystal Palace and I’d expect almost anyone to go there (Sydney FC) if they had the opportunity from elsewhere in the A League - Dwight York is in commuting distance too and used to play for them.Ryan
Yes and no, he has a phobia of flying so that's gonna suck, but everything else he seems to be happy with. He said in the past that he's ambitious and want's to coach at the highest level, but wants to stay in one place and build success before moving on to bigger and better things - this was based on advice from Ange.
So, the question is - does he think he can build that success here or is Sydney a better spring board for his ambitions?
And based on some of the investments made recently in things like facilities as well as the stability that the Phoenix have, I don't know if Sydney is necessarily a better bet right now.
History and prestige means nothing if the club is a shambles and location is subjective.
For a lot of coaches, a club (especially a big club) in 'shambles' is an attractive proposition.
They only way is up, you get a free licence to dump/sign the players you want, plus as long as there is some improvement in your first season you won't be sacked.
This isn’t the thread for this discussion but you only have to look at and compare the titles and championships won by either club to demonstrate the futility of your arguement.Ryan
I mean, you're the one who seems to think that three years more history somehow makes one club better than another...
2 wins in 10 games that's equal worst in the league. This guys living the dream here if he's not under pressure. Sackable anywhere else in the world but Wellington. He must have something on Dome N Co.
Jog on, you either don't watch the games or are just trying to be a troll. Uffie has us set up to give us the best chance of success, he can't stop the players from not taking their chances. He is in absolutely no danger of being sacked cuz he is a very good Manager.
serious question - are you happy with 2 wins in 10? do you find 11 points from 30 acceptable?
Sorry for having higher standards, I must drop my standards not to be a troll. If most fans are happy with the above from the staff then so be it. The above is less than mediocre. We've given up it seems on wanting better.
serious question - are you happy with 2 wins in 10? do you find 11 points from 30 acceptable?
Sorry for having higher standards, I must drop my standards not to be a troll. If most fans are happy with the above from the staff then so be it. The above is less than mediocre. We've given up it seems on wanting better.
Uffie didn't concede the 90th min equaliser vs Adelaide or let Western come back from 2 behind to beat us before the World Cup break. As I have posted previously, we have dropped 7 points to goals scored in the last 15 minutes.
Not surprised you did not respond to my questioning in previous pot. Facts are clear as day.
So your saying that a coach is not held to account/responsible for results and outcomes? Again only in Wellington could this be true.
As a mate just pointed out to me the clubs in no financial position to pay any staff or player out so it will be status quo for the season and potentially beyond.
Also believe players and staff should be judged every week over 90 minutes not 75. Maybe that's just me. best i agree with you. RR
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serious question - are you happy with 2 wins in 10? do you find 11 points from 30 acceptable?
Sorry for having higher standards, I must drop my standards not to be a troll. If most fans are happy with the above from the staff then so be it. The above is less than mediocre. We've given up it seems on wanting better.
Uffie didn't concede the 90th min equaliser vs Adelaide or let Western come back from 2 behind to beat us before the World Cup break. As I have posted previously, we have dropped 7 points to goals scored in the last 15 minutes.
The A-League isn't the same as any other league though, because of the finals series and how close it is currently, there is a bit of leeway that other leagues don't have.
I'd agree if it appeared as though Ufuk was out of ideas, the team wasn't performing, or it appeared he'd lost the dressing room. None of those seem to be the case, the team is performing well. Ufuk has also shown that he can turn it around and put together a run of results.
That's not to say he's not under pressure, he should be, but he's also not in a sackable situation.
I agree that the league format gives coaches more chances of job security, especially lower situated clubs - not sure a top club like Melb City etc would still accept it, i think some clubs certainly have higher standards and expectations in this league.
I disagree the team is performing well - 2 wins from 10, 11 points from 30 this season. If you go back to last season we won 1 game in our last 4. 3 wins in 14 games...14 points from 42. That's garbage I'm sorry.
Are we always going to be happy not to win? I'm over it tbh and I'm certainly over the UFUK pre match and after match chat.....he's a state league coach in a suit. In my opinion with the above stats/ actual facts i find it bizzare he is in All Whites frame.
Think you hate far too much, and to heap pressure on his job security during the season would not be a helpful thing for fans and/or the club to do.
Uffie has earnt enough good capital, this is the most expensive squad he's put together, there's definitely quality in there, just needs to get them gelling better, hitting their potentials and performing more consistently.
His deal expires end of season and if we don't make top six, then the club should say thanks but time for a change, you've taken us as far as you can. But any talk of sacking him midseason is a nonsense.
Not surprised you did not respond to my questioning in previous pot. Facts are clear as day.
So your saying that a coach is not held to account/responsible for results and outcomes? Again only in Wellington could this be true.
As a mate just pointed out to me the clubs in no financial position to pay any staff or player out so it will be status quo for the season and potentially beyond.
Also believe players and staff should be judged every week over 90 minutes not 75. Maybe that's just me. best i agree with you. RR
Showtime Nixie
serious question - are you happy with 2 wins in 10? do you find 11 points from 30 acceptable?
Sorry for having higher standards, I must drop my standards not to be a troll. If most fans are happy with the above from the staff then so be it. The above is less than mediocre. We've given up it seems on wanting better.
Uffie didn't concede the 90th min equaliser vs Adelaide or let Western come back from 2 behind to beat us before the World Cup break. As I have posted previously, we have dropped 7 points to goals scored in the last 15 minutes.
Noone is happy about the current standings, blaming the coach/one players is daft. It's not just one thing, its a combo of the tactics being expected, what the players are actually doing and then the opposition. Tactically, Uffie is widly respected across the league, his reputation is solid. Does he have the players to do what he wants? he should do, as he has had this squad for a few years now. Uffie doesnt control how good or bad his players perform on gameday though, He doesnt make the maistakes nor is he asking his players to make them. You can't blame the coach for last minute goals costing us victory - that is why theya re referred to as "coach killers". I'd like to see Uffie change his tactics more to suit the oppostion, but then he clearly feels his tctics work, and they did for Sydney for a number of years - this Nix squad is not Sydney FC however. For mine we have some defensive issues, CB pairing is key and I think the current pairing is not working, we looked far better when wootton and Laws were together. Sail is having a terrible season by his standards, he is missing saves he made with ease last year, that could be down to his backs not being where he needs them, or he is too focussed on the captaincy (I've never really liked the keeper as capt). But, do you drop Sail for Paulsen, who did a job when Sails was injured but is he ready to lead the back line that is struggling at the moment. Comms is key for the back 5 and I dont see that working right now, and that is on the keeper and CB's. Midfield we are struggling as well, Lewis and Ugarkovic have not yet clicked and worked well for a full game, Rufer is still a few games away from playing the full 90 andi dont see him as the solution, nor is Pennington. We really miss Davlin. The frontmen are doing their jobs, they are creating chances and scoring goals pretty regularly, I think we are cose to the top in goals scored this season, we've just conceded more. If we can sort out the conceding of easy goals and losing the ball in the middle of the park then we have a winning squad. It sounds simple but clearly it's not or else it would have been sorted weeks ago.
Key point, blaming the coach alone is unnecessary, i'm sure he's not hapy with 2 wins from 10, nor will the management. But the vision is clear and Uffie no doubt knows what he wants and believes he has the players to do it. If he brings anyone in to replace Waine I'd expect they'd be a defensive player - cos that's where we are weak at the moment,
Having said all that, you really have to look at the league a realise that whils we are 9th on the table with 2 wins and 5 draws we are only 1 win from 5th and 2 wins from 3rd. No one is catching City this year but the nature of the eague is that on our day we can beat anyone and there is plenty of games to go for us to kick on and topple a few teams ahead of us.
I agree that the league format gives coaches more chances of job security, especially lower situated clubs - not sure a top club like Melb City etc would still accept it, i think some clubs certainly have higher standards and expectations in this league.
I disagree the team is performing well - 2 wins from 10, 11 points from 30 this season. If you go back to last season we won 1 game in our last 4. 3 wins in 14 games...14 points from 42. That's garbage I'm sorry.
Are we always going to be happy not to win? I'm over it tbh and I'm certainly over the UFUK pre match and after match chat.....he's a state league coach in a suit. In my opinion with the above stats/ actual facts i find it bizzare he is in All Whites frame.
The team is performing well as in they're competitive and dominating big chunks of games, obviously results aren't there which is why this discussion is happening. When Merick left it was obvious that he didn't know how to fix the problems and the players were no longer buying into his coaching, Ufuk isn't there yet.
As far as standards, victory is a club thats apparently the biggest and wealthiest but they haven't sacked popovic yet...
Victory and Popovic have recently won the FFA Cup a year after coming dead last so he's still got value among the Victory fans and board, but calls for change might ring louder as this bad run goes on.
There was talks that Sydney FC will let Corica go as early as last week, and the win vs the Jets might have given him another week..
It does appear that some clubs, mainly Victory & Sydney demand success & their fan bases expect success, and are not afraid to change coaches if they need to. Teams like Nix, Jets, Mariners, Brisbane and even Glory are more patient.
Ryan
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I agree that the league format gives coaches more chances of job security, especially lower situated clubs - not sure a top club like Melb City etc would still accept it, i think some clubs certainly have higher standards and expectations in this league.
I disagree the team is performing well - 2 wins from 10, 11 points from 30 this season. If you go back to last season we won 1 game in our last 4. 3 wins in 14 games...14 points from 42. That's garbage I'm sorry.
Are we always going to be happy not to win? I'm over it tbh and I'm certainly over the UFUK pre match and after match chat.....he's a state league coach in a suit. In my opinion with the above stats/ actual facts i find it bizzare he is in All Whites frame.
The team is performing well as in they're competitive and dominating big chunks of games, obviously results aren't there which is why this discussion is happening. When Merick left it was obvious that he didn't know how to fix the problems and the players were no longer buying into his coaching, Ufuk isn't there yet.
As far as standards, victory is a club thats apparently the biggest and wealthiest but they haven't sacked popovic yet...
In this league format i guess you can be patient if you're goal is 6th and a playoff shot but the stats and facts don't lie around accountability...or is that not allowed to be undertaken in the workforce now?
In Europe there would be protests inside and outside the stadium. 11 points in 10 games in a league were by 90% of games are winnable!
Who said anything about having a goal of sixth? The team is absolutely under performing but it doesn't mean you get rid of the coach. In Europe they can be too ruthless as well, sometimes all a manager needs is time. The pressure of relegation means clubs make short term decisions rather than longer term.
In short, you can build through incremental improvements or you can have revolution.
The question is, if the Phoenix go through the cost and disruption of ousting Ufuk, who do they have who will do a better job? The team is playing well, IMO it's incremental changes which are required to make them better they don't need wholesale change.
Well that's exactly it and what i said earlier....clubs not in a position to move on underperforming staff or players. It's a cross your fingers and toes approach...
Well that's exactly it and what i said earlier....clubs not in a position to move on underperforming staff or players. It's a cross your fingers and toes approach...
Mate, you need to be supporting the big spending Sydney and Melbourne clubs. That seems to be more consistent with your expectations.
But the logic of you saying we should be playing more of the kiwi kids more often, while expecting us to be doing better with that strategy, and that it's Ufuks fault we're not doing that, strikes me as some sort of inconsistent absurdity.
Well that's exactly it and what i said earlier....clubs not in a position to move on underperforming staff or players. It's a cross your fingers and toes approach...
See, I think working with the coach, maybe going to market in the current window to see who's available, and tweaking the current formula, is the informed approach. Sacking Ufuk and putting in Greenie or Cheify is the cross your fingers and toes, roll the dice, and hope, approach.
Well it seems Greenie and his missus have jobs for life at the club so you may as well throw one in a caretaker role.
IMO i think kiwi lads (not kids) would do better than some of the others out there and i genuinely think we would get better results with them in the side. They have good ability and if you add there desire to fight for their homegrown club you get a fairly good product. And more fans in the stands!! and more fans sometimes bring better results too!
Well it seems Greenie and his missus have jobs for life at the club so you may as well throw one in a caretaker role.
IMO i think kiwi lads (not kids) would do better than some of the others out there and i genuinely think we would get better results with them in the side. They have good ability and if you add there desire to fight for their homegrown club you get a fairly good product. And more fans in the stands!! and more fans sometimes bring better results too!
Greenie has done more for the club than most ex-players, he's done plenty for the club and has earned his spots as caretaker (x3) and academny coach roles. Not sure what him being employed at the club has to do with Uffie. The kiwi lads - most under 25 - are not going to do any better than the current starting XI, they'd be destroyed without the aussie pros and imports. Really unsure why you seem to think the imports and aussies are passionate about the team they are playing for. It's pretty clear to see the passion on their faces when they score, and the dissappointent when thngs dont go to plan.
From where I'm sitting right now it just seems as though you are grabbing at anything and everything to be upset/angry at the club. Doesnt seem as though you hav any awareness of what the club has been through over the last 3 years let alone the last 15! The current owners are pumping money into the running of the club, they are not making a cent from this team. They are not going to spend money on sacking a coach or players, not now especially when finances across the league are so stretched.
Well it seems Greenie and his missus have jobs for life at the club so you may as well throw one in a caretaker role.
IMO i think kiwi lads (not kids) would do better than some of the others out there and i genuinely think we would get better results with them in the side. They have good ability and if you add there desire to fight for their homegrown club you get a fairly good product. And more fans in the stands!! and more fans sometimes bring better results too!
The young Kiwi kids played alot last season, when many of the first choice 11 senior players (I think up to 7 at one stage) were unavailable. What followed was a heap, of 4-0 & 5-0 hidings.
No one fights harder for the club than David Ball, and news flash he ain't a Kiwi.
Theprof - I think we've established in many previous posts that the coach isn't going anywhere due to the financial position of the club. He could lose his next 10 games and still be here. But let's not forget the importance of accountability and not neglecting success because at the end of the day a team winning games is a team bringing in money - if we were winning games no doubt there would be more fans in the stadiums and that is financial gain for owners - I'm sure they know that. I guess the question they could be asking themselves is can we afford to take one step back for two steps forward. We cannot deny that engagement and connection to the club from fan base and community has dwindled.
Coochie - i agree you cannot throw a young player into every position they need some experience around them, but lets remember under this current approach of playing foreigners and one or two average at best imports we have won 2 games in our past 14 games (10 games this season and our last 4 from last season to put it into perspective). For me you wouldn't be losing anything if you gave a run of games to Old, OVH over Sasse for example. When Sutton comes back from illness he should be starting and seeing out months of football from left back.
Club should survey wider football community in NZ and see what the issues are around engagement and connection - you may find it could be around coach and players. Just a thought. Just a few guys chatting on a forum and a sprinkle there on match days.
Why would they survey the wider football community most havnt really bothered to support the Phoenix since we started. You cant claim crowds have suddenly dropped due to form as they are pretty much what they have been for years even when we were going well. The complete lack of comment about what Talay had done with the team leading into the first Covid break for me makes much of your comment just negative retoric or just plain trolling. Kidding yourself if you think a team of young Kiwis will perform any better. Im all for giving them ago but why would you just throw them in the deep end just because they are Kiwis. The Phoenix have done plenty and spent plenty to foster young talent and if you cant see that your blind. Thing is your not just chatting your very negative about a team and a coach that many of us have been through plenty with and fortunately most dont have such a continual negative bias.
I think we all can appreciate the efforts through covid times - but lets not live in the past. What's this years excuse? Please tell me.
I think the above says it all really - we don't really demand success. Happy to see it out and see what happens. Sorry but some fans have higher standards and expectations - they're not all on this forum btw.
I don't think the club's financial position has anything to do with it, they managed to get rid of Kelizic when they were in financial peril.
They're complaining about finances sure, but they've upped their investment in squad, facilities, etc, this season so they're no where near the situation they've been in in the past.
The only reason they're not sacking the coach is they think he can turn it around, if they thought he was out of ideas or had lost the dressing room then he'd be gone.
