Are you saying that women footballers don't think for themselves? I'm no feminist but that seems slightly sexist...
*gets popcorn*
Cue Doloras.....
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
I think it is a far statement that a professional men's football team would have plenty of more egos to handle than an equivelent women's team. Whether he has the skills to manage that, most of us wouldn't have the slightest idea.
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
Really? You would sack Ricki and appoint Emblen?
You are right about the Phoenix back-room looking very light on experience if he was just a straight swap for Ricki. The only real advantage I can see with Emblen is that he might be prepared to work under Ricki if Ricki was in a DoF/GM role. But you don't want that, and it seems Welnix can't afford it anyway.
It's interesting that the level of back-room support is already being highlighted as a potential problem for a new coach but doesn't really feature as a mitigation in the Sack Ricki debate (you called it an "excuse" the other day). I'm sure Ricki would love to work under an experienced GM also.
Maybe we should start a "GM angst" thread. And then a "GM options" thread.
Nah, just jokes.
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
Really? You would sack Ricki and appoint Emblen?
You are right about the Phoenix back-room looking very light on experience if he was just a straight swap for Ricki. The only real advantage I can see with Emblen is that he might be prepared to work under Ricki if Ricki was in a DoF/GM role. But you don't want that, and it seems Welnix can't afford it anyway.
It's interesting that the level of back-room support is already being highlighted as a potential problem for a new coach but doesn't really feature as a mitigation in the Sack Ricki debate (you called it an "excuse" the other day). I'm sure Ricki would love to work under an experienced GM also.
Maybe we should start a "GM angst" thread. And then a "GM options" thread.
Nah, just jokes.
I may be sounding like a broken record, but it actually is immaterial which NZ coach we would consider - I do not know if Emblem is any different from Ricki or anybody else, but the main point is that the otherA-League teams seem to have stepped up a gear tactically this year and it would be foolish for us not look there for a young and well-rounded up-and-coming coach keen to get a placement. This may balance Ricki's old-school approaches. Ricki's ego/face would be saved too.
I think it is a far statement that a professional men's football team would have plenty of more egos to handle than an equivelent women's team.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
To J Vader, Herdman was brought out by Southland Football and one of his tasks was to coach the Southern League team. His trainings and coaching were very very good, players probably were not up to the quality. He found that he could progress through the ranks of NZ Football by coaching womens teams. Because he had a perceived success he was offered an opportunity that may have been bigger than what was on offer in NZ. Not sure whether your comment was because he coached womens teams or he was a skirt chaser..
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
Really? You would sack Ricki and appoint Emblen?
You are right about the Phoenix back-room looking very light on experience if he was just a straight swap for Ricki. The only real advantage I can see with Emblen is that he might be prepared to work under Ricki if Ricki was in a DoF/GM role. But you don't want that, and it seems Welnix can't afford it anyway.
It's interesting that the level of back-room support is already being highlighted as a potential problem for a new coach but doesn't really feature as a mitigation in the Sack Ricki debate (you called it an "excuse" the other day). I'm sure Ricki would love to work under an experienced GM also.
Ricki has 6 years in the job - that mitigates lack of experience in GM role for me (although I am not a Dome fan and I think the person in that role should be a football guy). In fact someone who could be good in that role is Fred de Jong although he is probably happy where he is right now.
I'd love to know what RH thinks of the club at the moment but unfortunately no-one in the media seems to have his ear right now. The Phoenix are actually very "unleaky"...
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8331298/Aloisi-keen-to-aid-struggling-Phoenix-rebuild
Worthington just stoking that fire...
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
Those were his words, not mine.
I heard once that vaughan coveny was coaching in the VPL now? I'd love to see him back in some capacity.
He coached South Melbourne to a disastrous season and got the archer, is now involved in yoof at one of the A-League clubs.
soo..hes not worse than ricki then
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
You obviously haven't had women cry beacuse you have played them in a different position
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
You obviously haven't had women cry beacuse you have played them in a different position
I coached women's football at a reasonable level in the UK for 6 years, and women's footie has a whole load of issues that you don't get with men's football. Not less angst, just different angst.
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
Really? You would sack Ricki and appoint Emblen?
You are right about the Phoenix back-room looking very light on experience if he was just a straight swap for Ricki. The only real advantage I can see with Emblen is that he might be prepared to work under Ricki if Ricki was in a DoF/GM role. But you don't want that, and it seems Welnix can't afford it anyway.
It's interesting that the level of back-room support is already being highlighted as a potential problem for a new coach but doesn't really feature as a mitigation in the Sack Ricki debate (you called it an "excuse" the other day). I'm sure Ricki would love to work under an experienced GM also.
Ricki has 6 years in the job - that mitigates lack of experience in GM role for me (although I am not a Dome fan and I think the person in that role should be a football guy). In fact someone who could be good in that role is Fred de Jong although he is probably happy where he is right now.
I'd love to know what RH thinks of the club at the moment but unfortunately no-one in the media seems to have his ear right now. The Phoenix are actually very "unleaky"...
My opinon of Fred De Jong is I have found that he came across as a little short sighted. Mainly based on some of the things he said while he was the Oceania Vice President . I also am not a fan of these important football roles getting handed out to the same people. Starts to become a bit of a merry-go-round.
Though if it gets him out of commentating then I'm all for it.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
You obviously haven't had women cry beacuse you have played them in a different position
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
You obviously haven't had women cry beacuse you have played them in a different position
I was the archetypal 'Arry player (for both sports too): Ran around a bit and enjoyed myself (ooh err).
It wasn't until much later that I learned that the ball was actually quite important.
No to Emblen. The guy is player/coach for a Division 2 Northern League team (Western Springs) this season ffs.
For you Welly-ites maybe not familiar with the Northern League you've got the Premier in which the likes of Central, Bay Olympic, Waitakere City, Hamilton Wanderers and Birkenhead play. Then Div 1 with teams such as Glenfield, Takapuna, Melville and Ngaruawahia. Then Div 2 which is where Western Springs are and have been for the last few years, along with a bunch of small clubs like Manukau City, Waiuku and Warkworth.
So that's 3rd tier amateur club football. Not exactly building up towards a role coaching a professional team!
Given that professional coaching opportunities in New Zealand are limited to say the least, what would you prefer Emblen to do during the Winter season? Not be involved in football at all in NZ until a job comes up? He's, apparently, the Director of Football at Springs so is overseeing the whole of football development at what is a fairly large club, as well as coaching their 1st team.
I'm not advocating him as a potential 'Nix coach by any means, but he has far more background and experience than your post is suggesting. The fact that he's doing what he's doing now doesn't change that.
No to Emblen. The guy is player/coach for a Division 2 Northern League team (Western Springs) this season ffs.
For you Welly-ites maybe not familiar with the Northern League you've got the Premier in which the likes of Central, Bay Olympic, Waitakere City, Hamilton Wanderers and Birkenhead play. Then Div 1 with teams such as Glenfield, Takapuna, Melville and Ngaruawahia. Then Div 2 which is where Western Springs are and have been for the last few years, along with a bunch of small clubs like Manukau City, Waiuku and Warkworth.
So that's 3rd tier amateur club football. Not exactly building up towards a role coaching a professional team!
Isn't he the All Whites assistant coach?
No to Emblen. The guy is player/coach for a Division 2 Northern League team (Western Springs) this season ffs.
Would you care to suggest a realistic alternative?
I wouldn't be adverse to taking a risk on Emblen (or Aaron McFarland for that matter) because it is going to be an exceptionally difficult position to fill. Emblen is probably about as well qualified as anyone familiar with NZ football ever will be, that is likely to apply for the job. Foreigners (and yes Emblen is technically a foreigner but he has been here for a while) don't have the best record in the a-league, those who are good enough tend to be in europe or very expensive and weaker ones don't have any knowledge of NZ football. He would be in for a steep learning curve but if he presented himself well at the interview in terms of ideas then I suspect he would be amongst the best we could get.
Yes he has past experience at some levels (ASB Prem & assistant to AWs was it?) which would make him an option but I think he lacks the experience. Regarding Springs, if we're referring to purely the coaching side of things then it's a step backward for him. The standard of Div2 football is so poor. A Prem coaching gig maybe I could understand.
Agreed doing something is better than nothing but I could think of much better options than the one he has taken.
I don't think he's the guy for the job, at the moment.
No to Emblen. The guy is player/coach for a Division 2 Northern League team (Western Springs) this season ffs.
Would you care to suggest a realistic alternative?
I wouldn't be adverse to taking a risk on Emblen (or Aaron McFarland for that matter) because it is going to be an exceptionally difficult position to fill. Emblen is probably about as well qualified as anyone familiar with NZ football ever will be, that is likely to apply for the job. Foreigners (and yes Emblen is technically a foreigner but he has been here for a while) don't have the best record in the a-league, those who are good enough tend to be in europe or very expensive and weaker ones don't have any knowledge of NZ football. He would be in for a steep learning curve but if he presented himself well at the interview in terms of ideas then I suspect he would be amongst the best we could get.
I'm not sure on alternatives, just giving my opinion on one name that a few seem to like.
I dont think getting a rookie (at this level) coach in at this stage is what the club needs. A strong leader with experience in a pro club environment is what I would be after - as for who that is, I don't know, I'm sure there are many out there with more knowledge than me to suggest some that would fit.
Yes he has past experience at some levels (ASB Prem & assistant to AWs was it?) which would make him an option but I think he lacks the experience. Regarding Springs, if we're referring to purely the coaching side of things then it's a step backward for him. The standard of Div2 football is so poor. A Prem coaching gig maybe I could understand.
Agreed doing something is better than nothing but I could think of much better options than the one he has taken.
I don't think he's the guy for the job, at the moment.
I think the Springs job is more than just a coaching gig, which might have been the attraction, and I'm sure he's getting well paid for it. It might well be the only option that was available at the moment. I completely agree though, I don't think he has the experience at the moment to step up to A League level. Problem is, I'm not sure many people in NZ do, to be honest.
Surprised, or maybe not, that Chris Milicich's name hasn't been thrown into the hat
Surprised, or maybe not, that Chris Milicich's name hasn't been thrown into the hat
No to Emblen. The guy is player/coach for a Division 2 Northern League team (Western Springs) this season ffs.
Would you care to suggest a realistic alternative?
I wouldn't be adverse to taking a risk on Emblen (or Aaron McFarland for that matter) because it is going to be an exceptionally difficult position to fill. Emblen is probably about as well qualified as anyone familiar with NZ football ever will be, that is likely to apply for the job. Foreigners (and yes Emblen is technically a foreigner but he has been here for a while) don't have the best record in the a-league, those who are good enough tend to be in europe or very expensive and weaker ones don't have any knowledge of NZ football. He would be in for a steep learning curve but if he presented himself well at the interview in terms of ideas then I suspect he would be amongst the best we could get.
I'm not sure on alternatives, just giving my opinion on one name that a few seem to like.
I dont think getting a rookie (at this level) coach in at this stage is what the club needs. A strong leader with experience in a pro club environment is what I would be after - as for who that is, I don't know, I'm sure there are many out there with more knowledge than me to suggest some that would fit.
Surprised, or maybe not, that Chris Milicich's name hasn't been thrown into the hat
Haha. Wasn't a recommendation. Just thought I hadn't seen his name mentioned, and everyone else's had! Personally, I'd be looking overseas for a new coach.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
No thats not what I am saying.
Womens teams have far less angst and push back at instructions from coaches than mens teams do.
You obviously haven't had women cry beacuse you have played them in a different position
I coached women's football at a reasonable level in the UK for 6 years, and women's footie has a whole load of issues that you don't get with men's football. Not less angst, just different angst.
Personally, I'd be looking overseas for a new coach.
Aus or further afield?
Aus you're basically going to either take an asst wanting to step up (Milicic, Okon etc) or re-try one of the dumped ones (Merrick, Miron etc).
Further afield, I doubt we're going to stump up the cash for anyone who has any profile, and anyone else is bit of a lucky dip.
Out of those, I'd be going for and asst wanting to step up myself.
