Guys - new coaches chat in here, our current coach in the other thread. Keep the gents happy...
Ernie Merrick - former Phoenix manager
Not really a keen on a coach who doesn't use cones at training.
Star jumps. I wanna see more star jumps.
Guys - new coaches chat in here, our current coach in the other thread. Keep the gents happy...
Thankyou :)
Hold on hold on hold on. Are people actually seriously suggesting Miron?
See what you've started? :-)
Good luck herding these feral cats!
I'm pretty clear in my head as to why I wouldn't want to see, for
example, John Kosmina coaching the Nix, but Miron I'm less sure on. I'm
certainly not advocating him but I'm genuinely interested to hear
people's reasons why they think he would be a bad choice. Football related reasons, not just "he's loony".
Football related reasons, not just "he's loony".
Being loony is a football-related reason. Exhibit A: Rufer, W.
After being in a group of people some years ago with Miron having a general chat about football, I don't think much of him.(football wise)
I'm pretty clear in my head as to why I wouldn't want to see, for
example, John Kosmina coaching the Nix, but Miron I'm less sure on. I'm
certainly not advocating him but I'm genuinely interested to hear
people's reasons why they think he would be a bad choice. Football related reasons, not just "he's loony".
Miron strikes me as a Harry Redknapp kind of coach. Get a bunch of good players, put them on the park and instruct them to play football and keep them motivated. Not really a tactics kind of guy. I can't see that sort of football working with us and our players - I think we need someone to get some structure back into our play and do some coaching - lots of players who have only ever come through the NZ system most of all need good quality coaching. Often they are on a par physically, but miles behind tactically.
Miron? He is a bit of a maverick, and while football is his passion he has other things he can do for a living. Heck, he was even a fully fledged colonel (or equivalent) in Israeli Navy, which is not a bad thing when it comes to enforcing discipline among the unruly players:-) My main concern with him would be that he is what you would call "mercurial". Ricki may have his faults, but being fickle and temperamental ain't it. Miron may stick around for a season but would be itching to do something else soon after that.
My own preference would be Ernie Merrick. He has just finished his stint as the national coach of Hong Kong (late October last year) and I am not aware of him signing anywhere else at the moment. Superb tactician, and similar in temperament to Ricki Herbert - reserved, quiet, not flashy, and always respected by the players. May not agree to work with Ricki as Director of Football and him as a coach, but you never know. If Rickipromised not to meddle in tactics, we may be on to a winner. And Wellington is closer to Melbourne than Honkers.
Merrick wouldn't get us playing sexy football.
Merrick wouldn't get us playing sexy football.
Do you think he'd be an improvement on Ricki? I think he would be but I wouldn't say he's my ideal candidate. It's hard to know whether the league has actually advanced as much as some people are saying - if that is right though, would his style of quick direct football still cut it? I'm not sure to be honest. He's experienced, does have authority and I think he'd come with a plan. And I think he'd be able to work with our squad
i don't mind the thought of merrick either
miron is actually quite creative tactically - likes to put players between the lines. some of our might struggle with this concept
interesting what leggy said about not being impressed with miron
throwing in a dark horse - ross aloisi
Ross Aloisi may be familiar with the 'Nix but would be too inexperienced even as a young (?) coach.
I'd rather consider Paul Okon or someone of his profile. If money was no object, Rini Coolen is available!
Seeing that Ricki seems destined to stay on as a DoF or similar, I doubt we'll have much budget for a new coach. Any significantly experienced or high profile (for the HAL) coach will probably cost too much and I doubt many would be too happy about working under Ricki.
So as I see it our options are young or inexperienced coaches who are hungry and keen to make their mark. What do people actually think of Neil Emblen as an option? The only team of his I've seen play was the Olympic side last year but I thought they looked really well organised and played a good brand of football. Plus he has worked with Ricki before.
Is there some reason why he seems to get dismissed out of hand around here?
I think the reason why Emblen gets dismissed in some quarters is because while he has run a couple of men's teams for a couple of seasons, he tended to focus more on the youth and development of them.
At the moment he is NRFL (1 or 2) so that's a hell of a jump to HAL
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
John Herdman??
possession based yes fine .Under rikki not working .Back to plan A for the remainder of season then mabye straight into plan B come season's end .
sadly i think RH will be out of the coaching role by then .
would love to win the league but it aint happening this year
Has Nick Mulvey re-signed with the Raw?
I think he is a young, up and coming coach who may be worth a shot.
Never mind the Raw this year - they were doomed to under achieve after losing Ange, but look at what he did with GCU when he took over..
Yes has a 2 year contract.
The River City Crew really are quite silly.
Good tekkers on the banner though.
My initial thoughts as well Fale.
John Herdman??
What would the jump from womens to mens be like? And anyone see him at work when he was in NZ?
Good tekkers on the banner though.
One of them must make signs for JB Hifi.
What would the jump from womens to mens be like? And anyone see him at work when he was in NZ?
Someone here familiar with the Auckland scene said 'hell no' a while back but I don't remeber who.
I think we need to sign the A-Leagues first Marquee coach. Arsene Wenger is about to walk out, bring him here
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
Really? You would sack Ricki and appoint Emblen?
You are right about the Phoenix back-room looking very light on experience if he was just a straight swap for Ricki. The only real advantage I can see with Emblen is that he might be prepared to work under Ricki if Ricki was in a DoF/GM role. But you don't want that, and it seems Welnix can't afford it anyway.
It's interesting that the level of back-room support is already being highlighted as a potential problem for a new coach but doesn't really feature as a mitigation in the Sack Ricki debate (you called it an "excuse" the other day). I'm sure Ricki would love to work under an experienced GM also.
Maybe we should start a "GM angst" thread. And then a "GM options" thread.
Nah, just jokes.
John Herdman? Is that a pisstake? Not enough skirt in the team for him.
I would support Emblen as coach. Good career as a pro, has some experience playing in the A-League, knows NZ players well and I assume knows the A-League pretty well too as an observer. He has about the same level of experience as RH did when he took over (successful domestic NZ coach, some international experience as a number 2 and some as a number 1 - although with Olympic team). I liked the football he played at the Olympics - I went to 2 of the three matches and was really impressed. It's by no means a slam dunk, he may not be the right guy for the next 6 years but I would be cautiously optimistic if he was appointed.
But I think he'd be very isolated if the only support he had at the club was Chris Greenacre, Gould and Dome. That's a very inexperienced team. My preference would be an experienced GM to deal with contracts, etc. Some will suggest Herbert for that. I personally wouldn't support that structure because I think we need a clean break and RH should be focussing on the AWs but if that did happen maybe it could work.
Really? You would sack Ricki and appoint Emblen?
You are right about the Phoenix back-room looking very light on experience if he was just a straight swap for Ricki. The only real advantage I can see with Emblen is that he might be prepared to work under Ricki if Ricki was in a DoF/GM role. But you don't want that, and it seems Welnix can't afford it anyway.
It's interesting that the level of back-room support is already being highlighted as a potential problem for a new coach but doesn't really feature as a mitigation in the Sack Ricki debate (you called it an "excuse" the other day). I'm sure Ricki would love to work under an experienced GM also.
Maybe we should start a "GM angst" thread. And then a "GM options" thread.
Nah, just jokes.
Maybe we should start a "GM angst" thread. And then a "GM options" thread.
Nah, just jokes.
General Manager=GM=Gareth Morgan?
Don't forget that any new coach needs a Pro Licence by the start of the 2015/16 season (18 months away)
http://www.footballfedtas.com.au/uploads/media/Minimum_Coaching_Requirements.pdf
Don't think Emblen (or any other of the NZ possibles) has one yet?
I'm pretty clear in my head as to why I wouldn't want to see, for
example, John Kosmina coaching the Nix, but Miron I'm less sure on. I'm
certainly not advocating him but I'm genuinely interested to hear
people's reasons why they think he would be a bad choice. Football related reasons, not just "he's loony".
Miron strikes me as a Harry Redknapp kind of coach. Get a bunch of good players, put them on the park and instruct them to play football and keep them motivated. Not really a tactics kind of guy. I can't see that sort of football working with us and our players - I think we need someone to get some structure back into our play and do some coaching - lots of players who have only ever come through the NZ system most of all need good quality coaching. Often they are on a par physically, but miles behind tactically.
Did you ever watch those games where Miron's half time team talk was televised? It would be impossible to strike me as being more different to Harry. Miron goes into extreme minute detail. He probably delivers about 500 different instructions during the interval. On one hand you have to imagine his attention to detail. On the other you wonder how the hell the players take in what he is telling them. Generally I think we would want a coach who keeps things simpler.
I'm pretty clear in my head as to why I wouldn't want to see, for
example, John Kosmina coaching the Nix, but Miron I'm less sure on. I'm
certainly not advocating him but I'm genuinely interested to hear
people's reasons why they think he would be a bad choice. Football related reasons, not just "he's loony".
Miron strikes me as a Harry Redknapp kind of coach. Get a bunch of good players, put them on the park and instruct them to play football and keep them motivated. Not really a tactics kind of guy. I can't see that sort of football working with us and our players - I think we need someone to get some structure back into our play and do some coaching - lots of players who have only ever come through the NZ system most of all need good quality coaching. Often they are on a par physically, but miles behind tactically.
Did you ever watch those games where Miron's half time team talk was televised? It would be impossible to strike me as being more different to Harry. Miron goes into extreme minute detail. He probably delivers about 500 different instructions during the interval. On one hand you have to imagine his attention to detail. On the other you wonder how the hell the players take in what he is telling them. Generally I think we would want a coach who keeps things simpler.
Like a, special coach?
I'm pretty clear in my head as to why I wouldn't want to see, for example, John Kosmina coaching the Nix, but Miron I'm less sure on. I'm certainly not advocating him but I'm genuinely interested to hear people's reasons why they think he would be a bad choice. Football related reasons, not just "he's loony".
Miron strikes me as a Harry Redknapp kind of coach. Get a bunch of good players, put them on the park and instruct them to play football and keep them motivated. Not really a tactics kind of guy. I can't see that sort of football working with us and our players - I think we need someone to get some structure back into our play and do some coaching - lots of players who have only ever come through the NZ system most of all need good quality coaching. Often they are on a par physically, but miles behind tactically.
Did you ever watch those games where Miron's half time team talk was televised? It would be impossible to strike me as being more different to Harry. Miron goes into extreme minute detail. He probably delivers about 500 different instructions during the interval. On one hand you have to imagine his attention to detail. On the other you wonder how the hell the players take in what he is telling them. Generally I think we would want a coach who keeps things simpler.
Maybe that's why Miron's teams were as tactically inept as we are. Only with them it may have been because the players didn't know what was going on. Oh wait.....
To J Vader, Herdman was brought out by Southland Football and one of his tasks was to coach the Southern League team. His trainings and coaching were very very good, players probably were not up to the quality. He found that he could progress through the ranks of NZ Football by coaching womens teams. Because he had a perceived success he was offered an opportunity that may have been bigger than what was on offer in NZ. Not sure whether your comment was because he coached womens teams or he was a skirt chaser..
Would a combination of Trani and Emblen work? They would seem to me to offer some complimentary skills possibly.
E.g. Trani has a knowledge of the Phoenix culture, and importantly the current players group (one of the keys things for the new coach would be to get the senior players onside e.g. Dura, Ifill, Bertos, and Trani has a headstart there). He also has links to Aussie sides for recruitment (e.g. wasn't he behind Muscat coming). Whereas Emblen has a knowledge of the NZ scene, and NZ youth scene and I think this will be important to Welnix, given their longterm plan to bring NZ youngsters through the club.
Some cons of course would be their lack of experience, but you have to get that somewhere, and this might be a reality if we don't want to pay for a marquee coach (very likely). Also whether they could implement the new style that the owners are looking for. There's also whether Trani has been tarnished by his involvement with the away games this year, but it's pretty vague as to what that really entails.
Term x - take your point about coaching licenses as well. That would obviously be a pretty important factor, but I have no idea where to find out where prospectives are at on that.
To J Vader, Herdman was brought out by Southland Football and one of his tasks was to coach the Southern League team. His trainings and coaching were very very good, players probably were not up to the quality. He found that he could progress through the ranks of NZ Football by coaching womens teams. Because he had a perceived success he was offered an opportunity that may have been bigger than what was on offer in NZ. Not sure whether your comment was because he coached womens teams or he was a skirt chaser..
Coached womens teams. Its like Paul Temple and Jose whatshisface. Coach a mens team where they will answer back and think for themselves and then lets see their record.
Are you saying that women footballers don't think for themselves? I'm no feminist but that seems slightly sexist...