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Jeff Vader wrote:
I agree. I think that your 4 import slots should be used for players that are 'first names on the sheet' players. Greenacre (and I don't say this is as a knock against him or his talent and work ethic) is by default because we have no other strikers. If the Phoenix are looking for a gun import striker, then as a 4th option, he can't be retained if they want Sanchez as well. I would say for imports, if you take the Ifill and Sanchez as two spots, you are looking for a cracking striker and a RB. That frees up Manny into his stated preferred DM rol and give Brown and Lia a little more room to use their skills away from that DM role they get tagged with but is not suited. That gives you cover and flexibility.
I think its easier to find a replacement for Manny in the midfield, than it is to find a replacement right back. He might not like it, but it is better for the team to have him at RB.

Judging by what the club said when signing Smith up for rest of the season, I think he would be the replacement for Manny in the midfield.

Ifill, Sanchez should be 2 of the imports for next season, Smith maybe the 3rd. That leaves us 1 spot for a striker.
Ryan's Rovers2012-01-22 10:55:54
January 22, 2012 10:55 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
Jeff Vader
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I do not think Smith is a '1st choice pick me' player. He's got to the end of the season to show it but he is not a stand out for me like Ifill, Durante, Muscat.
January 22, 2012 11:23 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Ryan's Rovers wrote:
I think its easier to find a replacement for Manny in the midfield, than it is to find a replacement right back. He might not like it, but it is better for the team to have him at RB.



Unfortunately I tend to agree. Would have thought Paul Reid would be a good option at DM  for us next season possibly?
January 22, 2012 11:43 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Phoenix players off contract at the end of the season:

Mark Paston, Chris Greenacre, Vince Lia, Dani Sanchez, Tony Warner, Daniel, Nick Ward, Niko Tsattalios, Brent Griffiths, Cameron Lindsay

On the books for 2012-2013:

Andrew Durante, Paul Ifill, Manny Muscat, Ben SigmUnd, Tony Lochhead, Jimmy Downey, Tim Brown, Leo Bertos, Lucas Pantelis, Mirjan Pavlovic


Siggy's quote from this article on radio sport today http://www.radiosport.co.nz/news/spsoc/1088453641-Phoenix-stumble-in-Gosford

Stand in Wellington Phoenix skipper Ben SigmUnd has pulled no punches in his assessment of his team's performance in the 2-nil loss to Central Coast in Gosford.

SigmUnd says his side was lucky to go into halftime locked up at nil-all and probably deserved to lose the match by a lot more than two goals.

He says if they don't start showing up and playing for each other, they may not be playing at all next season.

SigmUnd says if they don't start putting their hands up, they might have to find something else to do at the end of the season.



February 19, 2012 10:52 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
goldienz
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WOW! Them thar be fightin words
February 19, 2012 12:24 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Mark Paston, Chris Greenacre, Vince Lia, Dani Sanchez, Tony Warner, Daniel, Nick Ward, Niko Tsattalios, Brent Griffiths, Cameron Lindsay

Bolded ones I'd keep.  I'm on the fence for the others except Nick Ward.  Griffiths was ok yesterday.  
February 19, 2012 13:41 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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I'd keep the bolded ones, plus Paston and Greenacre.
February 19, 2012 13:51 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Its easy to say 'dump this person, that person', but is there anyone available that is better? Imports you can go out and spend money to get someone better, but with squad players, the fact they have to be Aussies or Kiwi's shrinks the pool massively.
February 19, 2012 14:53 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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It's an interesting one. There are players that I would want re-signed for certain as they are important first XI players like me. There are others that I would not be so concerned about signing again, as they only get game time when there are injuries and suspensions, but I wouldn't mind if they were signed again (Griffiths and Tsats fall into this category). And then there are players that I don't want to be re-signed, either because they would use up an import slot or for other reasons.
February 19, 2012 15:04 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Easy for siggy to say with a contract already in his hand
February 19, 2012 16:15 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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He was one of the few good players last night so he wouldn't have to worry even if he didn't have a contract.

February 19, 2012 18:46 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Updated:
 
EXPIRES END OF 2011/12:

Alex SMITH (f)
Nick WARD
Mark PASTON
Tony WARNER (f)
Tony LOCHHEAD*
Chris GREENACRE (f)
Vince LIA
DANIEL
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)
Niko TSATTALIOS (u21)
Tim BROWN (retired)

EXPIRES END OF 2012/13:

Leo BERTOS
Lucas PANTELIS
Mirjan PAVLOVIC
Ben SigmUnd
Jimmy DOWNEY

EXPIRES END OF 2013/14:

Paul IFILL (f)
Manny MUSCAT

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:

Andrew DURANTE
Glen MOSS

* Not sure on Lochhead.. Took this off Sydney FC forums but have a feeling he may have another year left?
Wibblebutt2012-03-31 11:05:49
March 31, 2012 11:05 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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I've spent most of the day turning the post above into a little web app (mostly for fun, but it might be useful too).

I've written in all the data in and I think it looks alright. I've saved whether they are a foreign/ youth player also. It's far from finished but good enough to release.

http://bit.ly/nixcontracts





I have some TODO's:
  • Sorting (i.e sort by contract end date)
  • Filtering (show only foreign, players over 30 etc)


And yes, I know it's total overkill. But like I said, I did it for fun :)arnies2012-04-01 01:10:09
April 01, 2012 00:17 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Alex SMITH
Vince Lia
Mark PASTON
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)

who we should be keeping
April 02, 2012 17:08 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
patrick478
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Smith Lia Paston Lindsay Griffiths.

Sanchez if there is no better player for the import slot.
April 02, 2012 17:10 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Griffiths and Tsatalios are not going to be u21 players next season.
April 02, 2012 17:19 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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I like Lia, Smith, Sanchez.

However there are better players out there and I wouldnt be bothered if all three were dropped and we found upgrades. However I expect 2 out of the 3 to stay, and with Browny leaving, I feel Smith now has the inside running. He is versatile and consistent.
April 02, 2012 20:03 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Why would we possibly want to keep Brent Griffiths?

Lets just get a youth option in.
April 02, 2012 21:51 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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oh god we havent got Pavlovic for another year have we? Who is responsible for that?
April 02, 2012 22:08 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Terry's finances.
April 02, 2012 22:12 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Would be good to drop Daniel he hasn't been a top performer when he made it to the field.
He ahs to be the laziest one on the team.

Alex Smith would be a good one to keep, the team changes and picks up thier game when he is on the field. The middle of the park is completely empty when he is on the bench. Lia and brown seem to hide on the outter edges, allowing the opposition clear runs through the middle.
All the other player ahve given 100% and we should be happy that they stuck with the team through everything.
April 03, 2012 08:46 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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zapdog wrote:
Would be good to drop Daniel he hasn't been a top performer when he made it to the field.
He ahs to be the laziest one on the team.
 
You mean apart from the 5 games around Christmas where he started and was clearly our best player?
April 03, 2012 08:49 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Hard News wrote:
zapdog wrote:
Would be good to drop Daniel he hasn't been a top performer when he made it to the field.He ahs to be the laziest one on the team.

�

You mean apart from the 5 games around Christmas where he started and was clearly our best player?


Yep, other than that, when he hasn't been playing its as if he isn't on the field at all. Spends the entire game sitting down on the bench. How lazy is that!?
April 03, 2012 09:34 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
UKandy
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Hard News wrote:
zapdog wrote:
Would be good to drop Daniel he hasn't been a top performer when he made it to the field.
He ahs to be the laziest one on the team.
 
You mean apart from the 5 games around Christmas where he started and was clearly our best player?
 
I agree, I think Daniel has been real hard done by this year.
He offers something that no-one else can, and thats regular penetrating passes and crosses.
He offers balance that Sanchez in that position doesnt.
We have always looked balanced when Smith is in the midfield as well.
 
They would both be right in the mix in my squad.
April 03, 2012 22:41 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Daniel is goneskis at the end of the season.
 
April 03, 2012 23:17 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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zapdog wrote:
Would be good to drop Daniel he hasn't been a top performer when he made it to the field.
He ahs to be the laziest one on the team.

This is a joke right?
April 04, 2012 09:21 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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I'm gutted about Daniel. I hope he takes the unsatisfactory offer we put on the table.
I feel like we're forcing him into retirement early.
Its not cool.
April 04, 2012 10:38 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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asmodeus_82 wrote:
I'm gutted about Daniel. I hope he takes the unsatisfactory offer we put on the table.
I feel like we're forcing him into retirement early.
Its not cool.

How much is the "unsatisfactory offer"?
April 04, 2012 10:47 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/6696490/Paston-has-fingers-crossed-for-Phoenix-contract

The veteran goalkeeper is off contract at the end of the A-League finals and despite Phoenix coach Ricki Herbert indicating he would like Paston to extend his stay in Wellington, an offer has yet to arrive.

"I haven't had anything put in front of me so it's hard to say `yay' or `nay' to something that's not there yet," said Paston in Sydney where the Phoenix are preparing for Saturday's minor semifinal against the Glory in Perth.

"It would be fair to say the clock's ticking on that one. I've got a family to look after and at some point in the next week and a half I've got to make a decision in the best interests of them. I'm enjoying it in Wellington but it obviously needs to be right for both parties."

April 05, 2012 08:57 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
asmodeus_82
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rjmiller wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
I'm gutted about Daniel. I hope he takes the unsatisfactory offer we put on the table.
I feel like we're forcing him into retirement early.
Its not cool.

How much is the "unsatisfactory offer"?

I've no idea but apparently not enough to want to check out playing in Indonesia or Thailand or Singapore or where ever he went.
April 05, 2012 10:12 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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asmodeus_82 wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
I'm gutted about Daniel. I hope he takes the unsatisfactory offer we put on the table.
I feel like we're forcing him into retirement early.
Its not cool.

How much is the "unsatisfactory offer"?

I've no idea but apparently not enough to want to check out playing in Indonesia or Thailand or Singapore or where ever he went.

It was reported earlier in the year that he was on more than Iffil which doesn't seem right. Without actually knowing the amount I'm not sure we can really say it is unsatisfactory or not. I'm OK with him staying but don't think he will too difficult to replace either.
April 05, 2012 11:45 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Would Tatts be a target for the Unicorns? Can't say I would be disappointed if we lost him.
April 05, 2012 11:52 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
asmodeus_82
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rjmiller wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
I'm gutted about Daniel. I hope he takes the unsatisfactory offer we put on the table.
I feel like we're forcing him into retirement early.
Its not cool.

How much is the "unsatisfactory offer"?

I've no idea but apparently not enough to want to check out playing in Indonesia or Thailand or Singapore or where ever he went.

It was reported earlier in the year that he was on more than Iffil which doesn't seem right. Without actually knowing the amount I'm not sure we can really say it is unsatisfactory or not. I'm OK with him staying but don't think he will too difficult to replace either.

Didn't TonyP come on here and douse those rumors?
I thought he came on here and categorically denied that Daniels wage under Seripesos was astronomically high as postulated by the Dom post.
I say unsatisfactory because apparently it is. If it were satisfactory I can only assume he would have taken it...
April 05, 2012 17:35 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Saturday Dominion Post paper Edition wrote:

Sanchez, Lia in the frame
MIDFIELDERS Dani Sanchez and Vince Lia are both close to signing new deals with the Wellington Phoenix.
The Off-contract pair have been regular starters in Ricki Herbert's preferred XI this season and are set to extend their stay in the capital


April 07, 2012 10:20 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
UK Kiwi
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Only 17 days to go before a number of players come off contract. Still no word on re-signings??
April 14, 2012 11:11 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Updated:
 
EXPIRES END OF 2011/12:

Alex SMITH (f)
Nick WARD
Mark PASTON
Tony WARNER (f)
Tony LOCHHEAD*
Chris GREENACRE (f)
Vince LIA
DANIEL
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)
Niko TSATTALIOS (u21)
Tim BROWN (retired)

EXPIRES END OF 2012/13:

Leo BERTOS
Lucas PANTELIS
Mirjan PAVLOVIC
Ben SigmUnd
Jimmy DOWNEY

EXPIRES END OF 2013/14:

Paul IFILL (f)
Manny MUSCAT
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:

Andrew DURANTE
Glen MOSS

* Not sure on Lochhead.. Took this off Sydney FC forums but have a feeling he may have another year left?
April 19, 2012 17:43 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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EXPIRES END OF 2011/12:

Tim BROWN (retired)
Chris GREENACRE (f)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)
DANIEL Lins Cortes
Mark PASTON
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Alex SMITH (f)
Niko TSATTALIOS (u21)
Nick WARD
Tony WARNER (f)

EXPIRES END OF 2012/13:

Leo BERTOS
Jimmy DOWNEY
Tony LOCHHEAD*
Lucas PANTELIS
Mirjan PAVLOVIC
Ben SigmUnd

EXPIRES END OF 2013/14:

Paul IFILL (f)
Vince LIA
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)
Manny MUSCAT

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:

Andrew DURANTE
Glen MOSS

* Not sure on Lochhead..
Wibblebutt2012-04-24 10:14:39
April 23, 2012 14:07 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Lochhead has one more year.
April 23, 2012 14:29 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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simon_hampton wrote:
Lochhead has one more year.


OK I'll change it though I can't find any sauce.
Wibblebutt2012-04-24 10:15:11
April 24, 2012 10:14 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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Updated:

 
EXPIRES END OF 2011/12:

Tim BROWN (retired)
Chris GREENACRE (f)
Brent GRIFFITHS (u21)
DANIEL Lins Cortes
Mark PASTON
Dani SANCHEZ (f)
Alex SMITH (f)
Niko TSATTALIOS (u21)
Nick WARD
Tony WARNER (f)

EXPIRES END OF 2012/13:

Leo BERTOS
Jimmy DOWNEY
Tony LOCHHEAD*
Lucas PANTELIS
Mirjan PAVLOVIC
Ben SigmUnd

EXPIRES END OF 2013/14:

Paul IFILL (f)
Vince LIA
Cameron LINDSAY (u21)
Manny MUSCAT

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:
 
 
Jeremy BROCKIE
Andrew DURANTE
Glen MOSS

* Not sure on Lochhead..

May 14, 2012 20:20 · Edited September 09, 2012 18:28
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