Mark Judan: Family Time

"However, it's understood Roy Krishna may soon qualify for New Zealand residency which would free up one of the five valuable import spots on the Phoenix roster."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/football-soccer/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=12061588

In the past you needed AUS/NZ Citizenship to qualify as a domestic player but there was a rumour I read a few months ago that the FFA was changing that to Permanent Residency, so I wonder if this is why Krishna will be qualifying earlier than previous thought.

Next step is for TVNZ and TV3 to get his name right. On the news last night both channels ran stories calling him 'Roo-darn'. Whoops, especially as both channels would have been at the presser. 

That's how it's pronounced in Croatian (or pretty close to).

I think his surname is Croatian originally, and is pronounced like that, phonetically.

Love the fighting talk from the guy, and particularly from Rob at the end of the conference. Call me a simpleton, but that's what will inspire me to renew my tickets, not a one pager of waffled response saying nothing. Now, let's put a team together and win some games.

Without pressing the point, "original pronounciation" is in the eye of beholder.   Sydney born Mark Rudan introduces himself as Mark Rudan, and is referred to as such, on FOX Sports, while the old Croatians call him Rudan.

The highest peak in Australia, Mt Kosciuszko, was named so by the Polish explorer, Count Strzelecki, in honour of the national hero of his motherland. The name is commonly pronounced by the locals anglicised, that is " /kɒziːˈʌskoʊ/, and not the way this name is pronounced in its original Polish, that is "/kɒˈʃʊʃkoʊ/ .".

The moral of the story is that the origin of the word is one thing, but it may ultimately also belong to people speaking a different language.

As the famous line from "The Deer Hunter" went, with Robert de Niro's character being asked by his army superiors: "... Michael Vronsky... what kind of a name is that?" and de Niro's response: "It's an American name".

You lost me at dan.

The Aussie media pronounce it as Mark Roo-din, so..

Apology. Here is the abbreviated version:

"Potayto, potahto..."

I pronounce it as Mark

Nah on potayto/potahto its called an eye, not a Mark :)

Ah I see right, that makes sense, thanks.

This

Good choice IMO. Hard nosed Aussie who knows the A-League and also is well aware of what he is stepping in to. I suspect he will rev up the on field aspect of the club. I am not so sure though how he is going to handle the off field stuff.

Its all very well bringing in a new coach and new players but the problems with this club are deeply rooted. There are still very significant issues with the clubs culture and management. I would have like to have seen some attempts made to bring in fresh management blood as well. 

Its great that we can get excited by what appears to be a good choice as coach. But the same people, who keep making the same appalling management mistakes are still there running the show. Frankly it is ridiculous to believe that Rudans appointment will solve our problems. There needs to be a clean out of the management deadwood as well. 

Another serious question, but apart from the questionable communication behind which the rationale has been explained, exactly what do you think the appalling mistakes that keep being made are?

I personally think the management team have done a great job considering it isn't easy or cheap to run a professional football team based in New Zealand, competing in the A-League, particularly considering the political situation. They aren't directly responsible for on field performances, and have financed our squad to be arguably very competitive on paper every year they've been in charge. A lot of effort has gone into off-field programs including the academy and we know how that is going. Also the coach situation last year seemed to have solid thinking behind it and you can only really say it was a bad decision in hindsight. If you're talking specifically about Dome then I'd suggest people like Rob Morrison have a very good track record in adequately assessing the performance of top executives.

Zidane has left Real Madrid, if only we hadn't of rushed into the appointment of Rudan ...

Well, if we wanted a coach would would "show fight", we couldn't do better than Headbutts LeBoeuf-Head.

Let's hope he doesn't end up being a potato , 

Right you are. Let's call the whole thing off

I have some sympathy with this view and have called for it myself. However, I'm prepared to give them another shot now we have Rudan on board. If he turns it around on the field, then much of the off field stuff won't really matter, at least we won't be worried as much as we would if the team was crap.

Just wondering who 'they are'? If you mean Dome, then its ballsy and probably a bit naive to blame everything on him. If 'they' are the owners, then i disagree as 'they'  are the only ones interested in running this (in Wellington). Whilst we can disagree with their choices, we only have the club because of them

Just a point - if the management hired Rudan, an appointment which seems to have at least a 90% approval rate around these parts, then they can't be as awful as some people say they are. Or rather - they've learned from the Kaledzic mistake. You can't expect people not to fudge it up sometimes, just that they don't make the same fudge-up twice.

Kaledzic wasn't a screw up in terms of process - just outcome. He was arguabley our most experienced manager ever... just not the right fit / mold.

Even the team on the latest podcast can't seem to agree on what to call him and settled for Roo-dan. Which is wrong! I think this clip should settle it. 

At about 25 secs he's introduced by the host - who's sitting beside him - as Mark Roo-din. 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/asian-...

I think that you'll find that the more informed comments in the past [as opposed to knee jerk comments] have been critical of the same mistakes being made. Quick examples that spring to mind have been the lack of communication at critical times [and they still aren't completely out of the woods on that], late hire of a coach, signing/extending player contracts before having signed a manager.

Its only reasonable to allow people/organisations to learn from their mistakes but there has to be a call made at some point if they don't appear to be getting things right. While I'm hopeful, they still have a bit to prove to me and I suspect some others too.

are these the same guys who continually mis-pronounced Ridenton as Rye-denton?

No one says those Fox boys are super bright. But they probably know how to pronounce the names of their mates sitting alongside them. 

or Rudan isn't someone that really gets bothered by it and hasn't bothered to correct them

In the original Croatian, both vowels are short so are quite tricky for English speakers to pull off. This in turn leads to the stressing of one of the syllables, neither of which agrees with the Croatian pronunciation, but both of which make it intelligible as to whom is being spoken about. If Rudan's non-fussed about it, not sure why we should be. Or why anyone should be castigated for adding their own twist to the original that is difficult for most English speakers to get right.

Yeah! Xactly.

The 2 highlights.  You have Rob (Call Rob the team of owners)  You the general manager who runs the office and day to day working of all parts of the Welnix projects. You have a football manager who deals with players daily contacts and needs and game day functions to make sure the team get to an open stadium. Then juniors under these 2. Have purposely left out trainers, coaches and office individuals. Then we have a Football committee, not employees of Welnix. On paper we should have been mid table last 4 seasons.

Who goes and why. 

We don't know if Rudan is fussed about it. That's an assumption. The courteous thing to do would be to ask the man himself how he prefers his name to be pronounced, and go with that. 

BTW, NZR is currently on a big push to get people pronouncing player's names correctly. Why should we aim for less? Just saying... 

I can guarantee you that Rudan has spent the last 30-odd years of his life hearing his last name pronounced in a whole variety of ways, all of them different (some more than others) to how his parents and grandparents pronounced it. And at some point in his life, he just decided that it just wasn't worth giving it too much thought.

I know exactly how he feels. And it is somewhat similar to Jason Culina who might pronounce his name as "kulina" because he isn't fussed as opposed to his father Branko whose surname is pronounced in its original version "tshulina" because he insisted on it.

So, about the football...

Is Rudes scouting matches in India, Sydney or Melbourne this week? 

Yes if our biggest problem is how to say his name - Rob is fudgeed  and he needs to invest in in the great sport of Domino’s 

Rob or Bob?

Can't shake off that off-season feeling

Bertie

I'm sure everyone on this forum has a clear preference for how they want their name/s pronounced. If I meet someone and they tell me their name is Kulina, that's what I'll call him, and I'd call his dad Tshulina if that was his preference.

A basic rule of TV or radio broadcasting and journalism is to check with any interviewee not only how to spell their name, but how to say it. For example, if it's spelled Smith, but he or she prefers it be said Smythe, so be it.

So if Mark Rudan introduces himself as Roo-din, that's how we should refer to him in any spoken media, podcasts, etc. (And chants!) His name, his call. 

Is that Bertie Mee or Me ?

I remember the German confed commentator called Durante something like ‘Doorants’ not sure where the S came from. But hey great coaching talk!