Warriors supporters used to be there for many of the Kingz Mt Smart games.
PS Think those seats behind both ends ( paid for by Fifa ) are now permanent. But could be wrong.
A-league Expansion - Derbies
Warriors supporters used to be there for many of the Kingz Mt Smart games.
PS Think those seats behind both ends ( paid for by Fifa ) are now permanent. But could be wrong.
Home games at Mt Smart, some home games at Harbour and the Trusts?
Have a Butchers at Warriors United, as they take on Melbourne City in the Preliminary final.
Warriors would never go for it you'd think...
It comes down to having a buy-in and a good core. Think the Fever have been immense in Welly...but not sure where that'd come from in Auckland athemo...
I think a real football derby in NZ is essential for generating the next level of media interest and to capture sideline supporter interest.
Sport fans love competition espeically when it means taking on a rival.
I think an Auckland franchise would not only work, but bump up Wellington membership in the long term.
NZ Warriors FC v Wellington Phoenix, 2018/19
NZ Warriors FC v Wellington Phoenix, 2018/19
Opening game of a new season and 6225 people show up in Wellington. If thats all that can be mustered for the opening game of a new season on a decent day then there is no chance in hell that Auckland would be able to provide consistent support to a new franchise.
That's not actually too bad for 7pm on a Sunday.
That's not actually too bad for 7pm on a Sunday.
But without being propped up by some sugar daddy its not going to be a sustainable business model.
Alf, wait for the Saturday night matches. Add a few thousand on top of that (hopefully!)
Alf, wait for the Saturday night matches. Add a few thousand on top of that (hopefully!)
I hope so but I would have thought that it being the first game of the season and all the anticipation etc that we might have got to 8000 or more.
My point wasnt to put down the phoenix but more to point out that if Wellington for an opening game have such a poor croud then i doubt Auckland would end up having crouds that would make it a viable business model.
That's not actually too bad for 7pm on a Sunday.
But without being propped up by some sugar daddy its not going to be a sustainable business model.
that's what the Phoenix Fund is for
I am kind of flabbergasted that Auckland is talked about as a market when its failed - twice.
Where is the rationale for this when on occasions that the Phoenix do visit town, it is hit or miss for a 1 off. Then you want to make it 14 games regular.....
I personally think that the reason why HAL succeeds in NZ is because Wellington. I'll say it again - Wellington. If the Phoenix were an Auckland side, they would have failed, folded and be toast by now. Before you say 'no they they would not have/where are the facts/you are talking shark', I present you the NZ Knights - the team that was supposed to *learn* from the Kingz
As for all this ACFC lark - sure, if they release most of their squad cause they don't meet the qualifying thresholds for 5 imports only. Most people forget that the results they get are because they are stacked with imports, not cause of natural NZ talent.
Refute me. I want you to.
The variable that is new to the equation since Kingz/Knights is the Nix. Not only do they bring a ready made local rivalry and derby they also bring an established and credible template. The A-League itself is also much more high profile and credible competition than 10 yrs ago. Of course none of that equates to guaranteed success for an Auckland franchise, but I don't think it's as clear cut as "failed twice, will fail again" either.
Venue would be the number 1 stumbling block IMO.
Auckland had a chance to build a multi purpose stadium for RWC 2011 but blew it so we are stuck with Eden park. So What about Eden park number 2 with cricket moving to western springs build small Boutique RECTANGLE stadium 10-15,000 capacity share it with A-League, Warriors and Auckland ITM cup side like AAIMI park in Melbourne. Then if in the unlikely event of a sell out for any of the 3 move it to the Main stadium.
Sky coverage is another issue in terms of live coverage vs going to the game as we seam to be inherently lazy when it comes to attending sports matches. Would be an interesting idea to copy what they used to do in Melbourne where a game was not shown live in the local area unless a certain number of seats were sold.
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The variable that is new to the equation since Kingz/Knights is the Nix. Not only do they bring a ready made local rivalry and derby they also bring an established and credible template. The A-League itself is also much more high profile and credible competition than 10 yrs ago. Of course none of that equates to guaranteed success for an Auckland franchise, but I don't think it's as clear cut as "failed twice, will fail again" either.
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Robert the Bruce and the spider comes to mind
Sky coverage is another issue in terms of live coverage vs going to the game as we seam to be inherently lazy when it comes to attending sports matches. Would be an interesting idea to copy what they used to do in Melbourne where a game was not shown live in the local area unless a certain number of seats were sold.
The problem is TV rights make up so much of the revenue that there is no way black outs would occur.
I always liked the idea of doing localised blackouts of coverage, but when you are paying a premium for it on TV then you are going to be pissed if you cant watch it. If it was free to air then it may be feasible IMO.
I am kind of flabbergasted that Auckland is talked about as a market when its failed - twice.
Where is the rationale for this when on occasions that the Phoenix do visit town, it is hit or miss for a 1 off. Then you want to make it 14 games regular.....
I personally think that the reason why HAL succeeds in NZ is because Wellington. I'll say it again - Wellington. If the Phoenix were an Auckland side, they would have failed, folded and be toast by now. Before you say 'no they they would not have/where are the facts/you are talking shark', I present you the NZ Knights - the team that was supposed to *learn* from the Kingz
As for all this ACFC lark - sure, if they release most of their squad cause they don't meet the qualifying thresholds for 5 imports only. Most people forget that the results they get are because they are stacked with imports, not cause of natural NZ talent.
Refute me. I want you to.
Hello. My name is Graham Hart. I own a big boat and I am fabulously wealthy. But I am a bit envious of a couple of less wealthy NZ'ers enjoying significant public goodwill because they own/part own Sports teams. So I've decided to back a Soccerball Club here in Auckland, because it's my hometown and because there's lots of good folk here who like watching Sport on TV. They'll play at new ground I'm building called 'The Red Shed" and .... and ... and ...
Spotted this comment amongst stadium talk in Auckland:
"The catalyst is an investor, not the council, and the investor is always a sports team owner because they have access to resource and create the brand," Barclay said. "The Warriors are the obvious one. They want a new home and ... a potential new A-League team in Auckland would be looked upon favourably because it creates a local derby with the Wellington Phoenix. This is not a council-led thing, it's a private investment-led thing that the city decides whether to be part of.
"If Watson or potential A-League owners in Auckland want to sit at the centre of this and throw money at it, then from there it's very simple."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11608655
#metrics
EPL clubs interested in investing in a stadium in Auckland though? Really?
If that was the case you'd think an Auckland a league team would be on the cards and if it's backed by Chelsea or something the afc wouldn't say no
As much as I would love another NZ team, I can't see it happening for quite awhile. With the way our 10 year licence has been structured, I doubt anyone would want to invest in one knowing they would face similar issues.
It would be brilliant to have another team based in NZ. Get a decent crowd in a couple of times per season. Win win. However, the FFA would probably schedule those games for 7pm on a Sunday night too. Could be the Auckland Queens or Auckland Bishops or even Auckland Rooks. Knights & Kingz need not apply. Auckland Pawn just doesn't sound right, sounds seedy.
As much as I would love another NZ team, I can't see it happening for quite awhile. With the way our 10 year licence has been structured, I doubt anyone would want to invest in one knowing they would face similar issues.
But it increases Wellington's Metrics and adds in the FFA's favourite play thing: a Derby
Jafas v Nix sounds good.
As much as I would love another NZ team, I can't see it happening for quite awhile. With the way our 10 year licence has been structured, I doubt anyone would want to invest in one knowing they would face similar issues.
But it increases Wellington's Metrics and adds in the FFA's favourite play thing: a Derby
True. Huawei would likely partner with the Auckland side, for example.
True. Huawei would likely partner with the Auckland side, for example.
Id say it would be more that the Nix cant pull as much money from any sponsor by advertising being the only professional football team in NZ and playing home games in places like Auckland, IMO.
Plus if the Auckland team has a strong surge in support for the Auckland team for a few years then staking that against the Nix metrics may hurt us in future negotiations. Also cuts form the membership base, how much I have no idea, but any members are members.
If the FFA hadn't been holding us to the flame the way they did I'd be all for an Auckland team, but anything that may negatively affect our metrics has me running scared into a corner.
The line of thinking that an Auckland team in the A league would threaten Nix sponsorship $ or other metrics is not what's required. We need thinking that will grow the pie. A Nix + new Auk club has much more potential than a NZ-wide Nix club only.
The line of thinking that an Auckland team in the A league would threaten Nix sponsorship $ or other metrics is not what's required. We need thinking that will grow the pie. A Nix + new Auk club has much more potential than a NZ-wide Nix club only.
Your not wrong and if it wasn't for the last 6 months I'd be on the increase the game etc side. But the FFA has made me too paranoid.
We have a ten year license that would appear to hinge on growing tv and crowds. Having an Auckland team would do both.
We have a ten year license that would appear to hinge on growing tv and crowds. Having an Auckland team would do both.
Fair point, that actually makes a whole lto of sense.
The line of thinking that an Auckland team in the A league would threaten Nix sponsorship $ or other metrics is not what's required. We need thinking that will grow the pie. A Nix + new Auk club has much more potential than a NZ-wide Nix club only.
This! All the media is in Auckland. An Auckland team will boost the profile of the competition in New Zealand and make it easier to attract sponsorship.
If Auckland City FC go to the A League then the ACFC u20 can go into the SS Prem just like the Phoenix u20. This is great because it gives more young player a chance in the top division of NZ.
If Auckland City FC go to the A League then the ACFC u20 can go into the SS Prem just like the Phoenix u20. This is great because it gives more young player a chance in the top division of NZ.
Yes, but the FFA are sharkcods who hate the Nix already. No way FFA let in another team until at least our 10 years are completed, and we would have to pass with flying colours, not to mention ACFC would have to carry on dominating and increasing their 4-figure crowds.
But it would be awesome and give us a derby game and give decent attendences at the derby games and meet a few metrics and give some rivalry and be positive and not happen sadly.
Only in Australasia can you have a derby between teams 750km apart.
The ffa don't hate the nix, they just want the nz market to contribute more, which is fair enough. We contribute enough, we get a second team.
At the A League launch in Aussie here today - Gallop made an announcement that with next TV deal (2 years from now?) A league will definitely be expanded.
He stated 10 teams is too small a league, so I'm guessing they will be aiming to add 2 new sides, to avoid any bye.
Looks like a new side will be formed in South Western Sydney (Sutherland Shire), and no doubt where any 2nd side is based will be speculated over endlessly next few years.
I'm sure FFA are aware Auckland is far and away the biggest city in Australasia, without an A League side.
Why stop at 2, there are 3 Canadian sides in MLS. 2 or more teams also give Sky ability to put a game on at same time every week.
I think long term goal should be for Auckland (maybe x2), Wellington, and Christchurch teams.
One other thing, Emirates have their name on a number of shirts (Arsenal, AC Milan, Paris SG etc). They'll never sponsor Wellington, but with 4 A380's into Auckland a day, they could be lined up to sponsor an Auckland side, and provide a good deal on the travel costs.
Why stop at 2, there are 3 Canadian sides in MLS. 2 or more teams also give Sky ability to put a game on at same time every week.
I think long term goal should be for Auckland (maybe x2), Wellington, and Christchurch teams.
One other thing, Emirates have their name on a number of shirts (Arsenal, AC Milan, Paris SG etc). They'll never sponsor Wellington, but with 4 A380's into Auckland a day, they could be lined up to sponsor an Auckland side, and provide a good deal on the travel costs.
There are some very big challenges getting an Auckland A League side together - which others far smarter than me have mentioned before.
However it should be a major priority for NZF. The benefits for NZ football of an extra professional team in NZ's biggest city, are many - and it would be an all too typical lost opportunity by NZF to grow the game, if they don't help as much as they can to make it happen.
Also FFA don't owe NZ football anything. They are already doing NZ a huge favour, by having the Nix in their league, so any Auckland franchise will have to bring a commercial benefit to the A League, otherwise FFA should rightly be looking to add extra Aussie teams not Kiwi sides.
Why stop at 2, there are 3 Canadian sides in MLS. 2 or more teams also give Sky ability to put a game on at same time every week.
I think long term goal should be for Auckland (maybe x2), Wellington, and Christchurch teams.
One other thing, Emirates have their name on a number of shirts (Arsenal, AC Milan, Paris SG etc). They'll never sponsor Wellington, but with 4 A380's into Auckland a day, they could be lined up to sponsor an Auckland side, and provide a good deal on the travel costs.