Trialist
10
·
43
·
about 12 years

Feverish wrote:

having to explain to men’s social teams that that need to pay more because of a womens NZF run league team and a lads youth team (of which is Miramar’s responsibility) - two teams they will never play for - is an interesting one - especially in an environment where we are competing on price with other providers.

Being on the Men’s Advisory Group, I specifically asked if these teams would attract a fee increase, and got a solid No. They had been ring fenced etc. Fair to say I am pretty pissed off now- especially when not getting a response back from CF. I have lost faith in the MAG because of this - so there is a vacancy for anyone keen.

This is kind of the point I was trying to make. Playing off a fee increase under the guise of developing a pathway is just wrong. Getting a NWL team funded to compete should absolutely be done, but in smarter and more directed way than a blanket fee increase. 

The NYL is a responsibility of TW surely so why this is included is beyond me. 

The player pathways are currently being done by academies let's not pretend otherwise. 

Trialist
40
·
70
·
about 7 years

VimFuego wrote:

Le Mur wrote:

AllWhites82 wrote:

being from Hawkes Bay it interesting to see the canty utd fee...with the struggles that they are going through at the moment.

At the moment the levy to Canterbury United is around the $10 mark for a senior player and $5 for a junior, talk that this will have to increase (maybe double or more) for the Dragons to continue long term, with the levy coming with 'free' entry to a number of their home games. 

Unsure of all the details but a handful of season's ago Canterbury United were finishing the season in the 'black' and had a resonable amount of $$$ in the bank at the end of each season but in recent season there has been a major decline in the funding received from 'trusts' so any reserves have been eaten into over the last two or three season's.

Here's a breakdown of the 2019 Mainland fees:

2019 Unit Cost Senior
Mainland Football - Affiliation levy $22.08 Per player $22.08
Christchurch Team entry fee - MPL $4,607.38 Per team
Christchurch Team entry fee - WPL $2,964.49 Per team
Christchurch Team entry fee - CCL $1,065.18 Per team
Christchurch Team entry fee - Other $913.00 Per team
Canterbury United - Member fee $16.00 Per player $16.00
NZ Football - Team levies $643.36 Per team
2019 Unit Cost Junior
Mainland Football - Affiliation levy - FK $5.27 Per player $5.27
Mainland Football - Affiliation levy - Other $22.08 Per player $22.08
Christchurch Team entry fee - 9th to 16th $177.34 Per team $177.34
Christchurch Team entry fee - 17th to 19th $195.10 Per team $195.10
Canterbury United - Member fee - FK and FF $6.50 Per player $6.50
Canterbury United - Member fee - Other $11.00 Per player $11.00
NZ Football - Team levies FK $5.74 Per player $5.74
NZ Football - Team levies FF $11.48 Per player $11.48
NZ Football - Team levies 9th-10th $103.32 9 per team @ $11.27
NZ Football - Team levies 11th-12th $137.76 12 per team @ $11.27
NZ Football - Team levies 13th up $275.68 16 per team @ $16.91

Canterbury United levies have gone up hugely to cover the $68k losses this year ($36K last year), and the proposed change of ownership of CU. Increase 130% for Seniors, 163% for Juniors. They have added First Kicks into the mix (previously not charged). As well likely similar increases next year re: CU membership fee (or levy?).

Massive increase in fees for the MPL as well over the two year period. $1882 in 2017 and $4607 in 2019. 

MPL costs now also include all referees fees (I'm fairly sure) - this is the reason.

Marquee
490
·
6.5K
·
almost 15 years

VimFuego wrote:

Le Mur wrote:

AllWhites82 wrote:

being from Hawkes Bay it interesting to see the canty utd fee...with the struggles that they are going through at the moment.

At the moment the levy to Canterbury United is around the $10 mark for a senior player and $5 for a junior, talk that this will have to increase (maybe double or more) for the Dragons to continue long term, with the levy coming with 'free' entry to a number of their home games. 

Unsure of all the details but a handful of season's ago Canterbury United were finishing the season in the 'black' and had a resonable amount of $$$ in the bank at the end of each season but in recent season there has been a major decline in the funding received from 'trusts' so any reserves have been eaten into over the last two or three season's.

Here's a breakdown of the 2019 Mainland fees:

2019 Unit Cost Senior
Mainland Football - Affiliation levy $22.08 Per player $22.08
Christchurch Team entry fee - MPL $4,607.38 Per team
Christchurch Team entry fee - WPL $2,964.49 Per team
Christchurch Team entry fee - CCL $1,065.18 Per team
Christchurch Team entry fee - Other $913.00 Per team
Canterbury United - Member fee $16.00 Per player $16.00
NZ Football - Team levies $643.36 Per team
2019 Unit Cost Junior
Mainland Football - Affiliation levy - FK $5.27 Per player $5.27
Mainland Football - Affiliation levy - Other $22.08 Per player $22.08
Christchurch Team entry fee - 9th to 16th $177.34 Per team $177.34
Christchurch Team entry fee - 17th to 19th $195.10 Per team $195.10
Canterbury United - Member fee - FK and FF $6.50 Per player $6.50
Canterbury United - Member fee - Other $11.00 Per player $11.00
NZ Football - Team levies FK $5.74 Per player $5.74
NZ Football - Team levies FF $11.48 Per player $11.48
NZ Football - Team levies 9th-10th $103.32 9 per team @ $11.27
NZ Football - Team levies 11th-12th $137.76 12 per team @ $11.27
NZ Football - Team levies 13th up $275.68 16 per team @ $16.91

Canterbury United levies have gone up hugely to cover the $68k losses this year ($36K last year), and the proposed change of ownership of CU. Increase 130% for Seniors, 163% for Juniors. They have added First Kicks into the mix (previously not charged). As well likely similar increases next year re: CU membership fee (or levy?).

Massive increase in fees for the MPL as well over the two year period. $1882 in 2017 and $4607 in 2019. 

Due to the costs with the Southern League?

Legend
2.1K
·
16K
·
about 17 years

anyone know if there has been a drop in teams in CF Men's grades? Looks to go up to Cap11 (seven teams) where it was 12 last year?

Starting XI
2.6K
·
2.4K
·
over 8 years

Feverish wrote:

anyone know if there has been a drop in teams in CF Men's grades? Looks to go up to Cap11 (seven teams) where it was 12 last year?

My Cap 6 Olympic team has been asked to move to Cap 5 due to teams above dropping out.

When I moved to Wellington 7 years ago it went to Cap 17, so the drop is pretty damning indictment on how Capital Football runs the leagues and the level of service provided to social footballers.

Legend
2.1K
·
16K
·
about 17 years

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

anyone know if there has been a drop in teams in CF Men's grades? Looks to go up to Cap11 (seven teams) where it was 12 last year?

My Cap 6 Olympic team has been asked to move to Cap 5 due to teams above dropping out.

When I moved to Wellington 7 years ago it went to Cap 17, so the drop is pretty damning indictment on how Capital Football runs the leagues and the level of service provided to social footballers.

I think our Cap6 has gone to 5 too

Trialist
20
·
66
·
about 11 years

Sunday league continues to grow?

Think there are major issues with Capital 4 being a 'serious' grade. Has seen our team drop from being promoted to 4 to dropping all the way down to 10 at this stage.

Starting XI
490
·
2.1K
·
over 14 years

I can't quite get my head around what you are saying Marron? Did you not want to be promoted?

Starting XI
2.6K
·
2.4K
·
over 8 years

zonknz wrote:

I can't quite get my head around what you are saying Marron? Did you not want to be promoted?

I'd imagine the move to non-rolling subs is a big turnoff for a lot of social sides - I know it would be for me.

Ridiculous if Capital Football's solution is to drop a Cap 4 quality team to Cap 10 if they're asking other teams to step up though.

Starting XI
2.6K
·
2.4K
·
over 8 years

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

anyone know if there has been a drop in teams in CF Men's grades? Looks to go up to Cap11 (seven teams) where it was 12 last year?

My Cap 6 Olympic team has been asked to move to Cap 5 due to teams above dropping out.

When I moved to Wellington 7 years ago it went to Cap 17, so the drop is pretty damning indictment on how Capital Football runs the leagues and the level of service provided to social footballers.

I think our Cap6 has gone to 5 too

We've turned down the move, although we may not have a choice.
Trialist
20
·
66
·
about 11 years

Yeah - carrying a squad of over 15/16 is near impossible to operate fairly without rolling subs.

Teams should have the right to refuse promotion if they did not finish first in the grade they were playing in.

Argument could be said it is unfair to push relegated teams back up to the grade they just fell from however. Purely comms imo.

Legend
2.1K
·
16K
·
about 17 years

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

anyone know if there has been a drop in teams in CF Men's grades? Looks to go up to Cap11 (seven teams) where it was 12 last year?

My Cap 6 Olympic team has been asked to move to Cap 5 due to teams above dropping out.

When I moved to Wellington 7 years ago it went to Cap 17, so the drop is pretty damning indictment on how Capital Football runs the leagues and the level of service provided to social footballers.

I think our Cap6 has gone to 5 too

We've turned down the move, although we may not have a choice.

not sure you get the luxury of turning it down? My team would too

Starting XI
2.6K
·
2.4K
·
over 8 years

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

anyone know if there has been a drop in teams in CF Men's grades? Looks to go up to Cap11 (seven teams) where it was 12 last year?

My Cap 6 Olympic team has been asked to move to Cap 5 due to teams above dropping out.

When I moved to Wellington 7 years ago it went to Cap 17, so the drop is pretty damning indictment on how Capital Football runs the leagues and the level of service provided to social footballers.

I think our Cap6 has gone to 5 too

We've turned down the move, although we may not have a choice.

not sure you get the luxury of turning it down? My team would too

We told the club to promote the other Olympic Cap 6 team.
Starting XI
280
·
2.7K
·
over 16 years

Marron_Men wrote:

Yeah - carrying a squad of over 15/16 is near impossible to operate fairly without rolling subs.

Teams should have the right to refuse promotion if they did not finish first in the grade they were playing in.

Argument could be said it is unfair to push relegated teams back up to the grade they just fell from however. Purely comms imo.

Stuff like this does happen at the intersections of the game, like amateur to semi-pro and semi-pro to professional, all the time around the world though. Sometimes it's clubs/teams that want to go up not meeting the criteria of the league above because their stadium is too small or whatever, sometimes it's that the club/team isn't interested in making a fundamental change like having to figure out going fully professional. You have to have these thresholds though, because it would be worse to let some teams have rolling subs but not others. 

I think that once it's below Cap 4 they could perhaps create an entirely separate structure for "social" teams. If a new "serious" club or team wants to join they could potentially just do it at Cap 4, even if it means Cap 4 changes in size from year-to-year.

Early retirement
3.1K
·
34K
·
about 17 years

Ha Marron you have us opening week. You'll pants us if you are a Cap 5 side. Might see if any Asian sports markets have a book on it.

Woof Woof
2.7K
·
19K
·
almost 17 years

Hard News wrote:

Ha Marron you have us opening week. You'll pants us if you are a Cap 5 side. Might see if any Asian sports markets have a book on it.

You sure that's right Newsy? We're in Cap 9.

Marquee
1.2K
·
8.2K
·
almost 17 years

el grapadura wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Ha Marron you have us opening week. You'll pants us if you are a Cap 5 side. Might see if any Asian sports markets have a book on it.

You sure that's right Newsy? We're in Cap 9. have this dude in goal:

Early retirement
3.1K
·
34K
·
about 17 years

Even more amusing the draw for match has/had us playing the Marrons but we're listed in Cap 9 that they are not in.

Trialist
20
·
66
·
about 11 years

Hard News wrote:

Ha Marron you have us opening week. You'll pants us if you are a Cap 5 side. Might see if any Asian sports markets have a book on it.

A club re-shuffle has put us in 9 by the looks. Seems to be the case on the CF website (not taking that as gospel however)

Early retirement
3.1K
·
34K
·
about 17 years

Yeah. Confirmed. As stated chasing sporting bet websites and seeing how much I can get as a second mortgage.

Half the Nighthawks are on or around the Fever so be nice.

Starting XI
70
·
3.2K
·
almost 17 years

Sad to say that the Wellington United Salmon, in their 20th anniversary year, have dropped out of Capital Football to join the Sunday League. Probably many reasons but i think fees may have been one.

Phoenix Academy
32
·
170
·
about 14 years

Marron_Men wrote:

Yeah - carrying a squad of over 15/16 is near impossible to operate fairly without rolling subs.

Teams should have the right to refuse promotion if they did not finish first in the grade they were playing in.

Argument could be said it is unfair to push relegated teams back up to the grade they just fell from however. Purely comms imo.

Stuff like this does happen at the intersections of the game, like amateur to semi-pro and semi-pro to professional, all the time around the world though. Sometimes it's clubs/teams that want to go up not meeting the criteria of the league above because their stadium is too small or whatever, sometimes it's that the club/team isn't interested in making a fundamental change like having to figure out going fully professional. You have to have these thresholds though, because it would be worse to let some teams have rolling subs but not others. 

I think that once it's below Cap 4 they could perhaps create an entirely separate structure for "social" teams. If a new "serious" club or team wants to join they could potentially just do it at Cap 4, even if it means Cap 4 changes in size from year-to-year.

Totally, there needs to be two entry points in the system. One for serious teams and one for social teams. It's a simple fix. The club captain could work with Capital Football to deem whether or not the team should be entered in at the serious entrance point or not, this could be assisted by having friendlies against teams in that grade. 

It is nothing short of absurd that you would have a team that is wanting to play serious football enter into anything lower than 4 or 5. Worst case scenario you would have a cap 3 or 4 with 11 or 12 teams in it for a season. 

You’ll need an account to join the conversation!

Sign in Sign up