Fees to play Football by Federation

Hi guys,

Couple of questions - might be aimed at those running clubs rather than those playing at clubs:

AFF have tabled a big increase in Fee's/Levies for the 2019 season as they claim to be one of the cheapest federations in that regard.

I have looked at financial statements from most of the federations and I'm a little confused - Does anyone on here know what a senior player is charged in terms of Fee's/Levies (including the NZF levy which i assume is the same across all federations).

also if you know if the levy is by player or by team as AFF have changed from Team Levies to per player levies.

Happy for information via inbox if you don't want to publicly comment.

This doc has some info down the bottom of the deck

Senior Information Evening - Capital Football 

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j...

$3250

Is that a team fee?  also does that include ground levy charges which are passed back to council?  (is that how it works in Capital?)

yep per team incl grounds

This player levee thing is going to be an admin disaster pit - if your player transfers to another club, do they pay again, do the clubs reimburse each other, does the Fed give money back (hahahhahaha, Feds never give anyone money)

I think this might be the model NZF is pushing and it makes no sense unless you want to lose social footballers from the game

Yeah a per player levy instead of a team levy seems to be very counter productive in senior football particularly.

Maybe it's a sign that we need to think about how we run senior social football in the future

If I was cynical, and you know how delightfully optimistic I am chopah, I'd say that the Federation - struggling with administering everything it's supposed to and being financially constrained - has come up with a funding solution that will either

a) get them more money

b) reduce the overall number of players they have to administrate

I mean, an unspoken goal is probably to reduce the number of clubs in favour of larger single clubs for the Fed to deal with - so the removal of the NRFL Div 2 (at some point) probably links into that.

Shows a real lack of understanding of how social football works. The O40s team I play has a squad of about 22 guys so previously we have worked out a per person rate to cover our fees, and even then it's not easy getting everyone to pay on time.

AFF need to understand it needs to be easy for the player, not them

Thing is in a senior social team what extra costs do AFF (or capital) or any federation face for players 17-18-19-20 etc.  only 16 can play in a game so if teams have casual players or players who only play 2/3rds of the season that's a club and player issue to sort - it dosn't increase the feds cost one bit.

Instead having teams with 16 players only will mean more defaults, more postponement requests - less enjoyable competitions and therefore less value for money.

AFF did say the NZF regulations said it has to be a per player levy hence me asking people around NZ if that's whats actually happening.

Got to admit, it's pretty brass neck for AFF to say they're raising fees to reduce their reliance on grant funding - where the fudge do they think clubs get their money from?

a factor is that they want 100% registration so they can get their precious marketing comms out to all and sundry

And I think in someway this change from AFF will address that - but not by dropping your fee, or giving you more resource - by charging those above you more - so I don't know if that makes the social player feel any better.

Effectively the problem with Football in general is it's a sport of subsiding - every single player at the grassroots helps subside the All Whites or Ferns.  the model is broken and to be fair AFF said they have expressed that several times to NZF in the hope of changing it.

Fixed that for you. According to what I've been reliably informed. 

good luck to capital when there is a social Sunday league set up with refs with no affiliation rip off costs

Details?

I spoke to a ref in this recently, he was no longer taking part, due to some nasty incidents between refs and players 

Not blaming clubs or players in higher grades, it just is what it is, but in terms of value for your fees I felt like I got a lot more bang for my buck when I played in some higher grades a few times. Miss a few games with injury or whatever and you don't get fees back either, so you just end up paying more per game too - which is the same at every grade of course, but if fees are say $200 and you only end up playing 5 games because of ground closure, injury, family, work, whatever, you just paid $40 per game for that, which is pretty steep compared to say social indoor where you pay per game and always get a ref and so on...

Maybe "ripped off" is a bit strong, but I don't think social football is great value for money

Ok cool. I’m interested in the plight of the social footballer. I think the ground side of things and number of games played has improved with artificials. What could have been done better? What club was it? Did you want to train and did they allow you to? How much did you pay and how was that calculated?

Central Football has just published their list of fees for 2019

They have a system where you pay by player for Central Football membership (graduated from $9 per player at first kicks level to $32 per player as a senior).  Then there is a CF football league entry which is per team ( $60 for Fun Football - 7th and 8th grade to $820 per team for Senior Men and women - Prem and Div 1)  Add on ground fees (to be advised) and then NZF Affiliation fee ( $34.44 for first kicks to $643.36 seniors - per team).

By my reckoning, that would mean our Prem team (based on 2018 with 18 players) would pay to Central Football a total of $576 (CF membership), plus $820 (League entry)  plus $643.36 NZF.  A total of $2039.36 + GST and with ground fees still to come.

The latest (2017) info for Mainland on their website shows this. Broken down, the fees that a player pays is: .

I've divided any team fee by 16 players to get a rough amount. 

Canterbury Sunday League charges $800 per team ($50 per person) as it doesn't charge any of those fees.

Do the Sunday League organiser pay ground fees

being from Hawkes Bay it interesting to see the canty utd fee...with the struggles that they are going through at the moment.

cap footy have added a new fee to pay for women’s national league and team Wellington youth.

yes.

At the moment the levy to Canterbury United is around the $10 mark for a senior player and $5 for a junior, talk that this will have to increase (maybe double or more) for the Dragons to continue long term, with the levy coming with 'free' entry to a number of their home games. 

Unsure of all the details but a handful of season's ago Canterbury United were finishing the season in the 'black' and had a resonable amount of $$$ in the bank at the end of each season but in recent season there has been a major decline in the funding received from 'trusts' so any reserves have been eaten into over the last two or three season's.

The irony of now charging for "pathway development" when they have shipped out the FTC program to clubs. 

As all the coaches and management for both the NWL and NYL are in house, I'd suggest the current fees are providing much of the funding already. 

Vim the CSSL does pay the Mainland Affiliation levy (for organising games etc).

Here's a breakdown of the 2019 Mainland fees:

Canterbury United levies have gone up hugely to cover the $68k losses this year ($36K last year), and the proposed change of ownership of CU. Increase 130% for Seniors, 163% for Juniors. They have added First Kicks into the mix (previously not charged). As well likely similar increases next year re: CU membership fee (or levy?).

Not in Christchurch - all Council grounds are no cost. Only some private and artificial's will cost.

extra travel costs for NWL

Is that a question or a statement? 

I think passing out all costs to every junior player to subsidise 2 teams is a bit off, especially as they have run NYL before and the NWL addition of the second round would include 3 extra away games. What constitutes the "pathway" the CF are referencing? Will that be shared to the clubs that are actually delivering a pathway to junior players in the new system or is it simply to cover the 2 elite teams? 

Does the pathway cover coaches as well as players? As it stands all staff for the "pathway" teams are sourced from CF staff only. When they are now dictating minimum qualification levels and investment by clubs into coaches, thus could be an area to open up, not close off. 

I guess in a longwinded way it would be nice to see CF's pathway because I think that message is lost in all the changes. 

it was a statement from CF that was one of the reasons for the cost increases

Massive increase in fees for the MPL as well over the two year period. $1882 in 2017 and $4607 in 2019. 

having to explain to men’s social teams that that need to pay more because of a womens NZF run league team and a lads youth team (of which is Miramar’s responsibility) - two teams they will never play for - is an interesting one - especially in an environment where we are competing on price with other providers.

Being on the Men’s Advisory Group, I specifically asked if these teams would attract a fee increase, and got a solid No. They had been ring fenced etc. Fair to say I am pretty pissed off now- especially when not getting a response back from CF. I have lost faith in the MAG because of this - so there is a vacancy for anyone keen.