By the way am one of the few people to witness the deterioation of the game here in NZ at all levels and have the oponion that NZ Football have no idea what to do???
so you're an Aucklander..
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By the way am one of the few people to witness the deterioation of the game here in NZ at all levels and have the oponion that NZ Football have no idea what to do???
It wasn't Loz's line Feverish.
sloth you,re as clueless as your photo suggests your first name should be grant!!
If you must know my name just check under my profile, but thats probably beyond you with the child like responses
I dont pay to much attention to what coaches have done in the past as to how much that they have learnt for thier previous experiances, and to how they are preforming now!
Sorry if that is beyond little bob whom got yelled at once
What is it with the Waikato?
A disproportionate amount of:
- pointless name calling
- childish baiting, and
- people logging in with multiple logins and arguing/discussing things with themselves
on this forum comes from Waikato football people.
It's really odd.
Marshall would be totally wrong for waikato! He can,t coach he,s just a loud mouth .Even though he snuck on to the board at Auckland they were reluctant to appoint him full time as the coach.If he ain,t good enough for Auckland he aint good enough for Waikato.
I like Edmondson but I,d have to question selecting to go with the under 17 girls rather than taking a national league mens team!!Unless he,s trying to sneak up the Herdman route???
Fair enough. Not being in Waikato, I wouldn't presume to say what was or wasn't good for them. My comment about Marshall being not a bad shout was more based more on the fact that he seems to have brought a lot of decent players on board who seem to want to play under him at Three Kings, rather than any comment on his coaching abilities, or lack of. Don't know that much about his history.
As for Edmondson, a National team (albeit at women's U17 level) and the international competition, experience and exposure that potentially brings, or Waikato FC in the NZFC. Hmm, I wonder how long he had to think about that decision!
The only way Marshall has got players to play for him at three kings is through $$. Three kings have splashed the cash this season!
You can throw as much money as you want, but if the players don't want to play they will still just pocket the cheques and play like arse. Plenty of history of it throughout NZ leagues.
"As for Edmondson, a National team (albeit at women's U17 level) and the international competition, experience and exposure that potentially brings, or Waikato FC in the NZFC. Hmm, I wonder how long he had to think about that decision!"
Jag I'm not picking on you honestly! But what coach, in any other country, working in the games Premier mens league would throw that in to coach 16 year old girls? Come on !!!!!!
"As for Edmondson, a National team (albeit at women's U17 level) and the international competition, experience and exposure that potentially brings, or Waikato FC in the NZFC. Hmm, I wonder how long he had to think about that decision!"
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">Jag I'm not picking on you honestly!
But what coach, in any other country, working in the games Premier mens league would throw that in to coach 16�year old girls?
Come on !!!!!!</SPAN>
You kidding me.
Firstly, the payout is better and secondly, you are dealing with the best players in the country in their age group, thirdly it is an international tournament which present a different challenge, fourly there is international recognition afterwards, fifthly not any coach manages a national team.
Also we are talking about NZ and any other country. If he was in another country where the mens premier are professional and the coaches salary is worth its salt, then you may have a point and the roles would be reversed and coaches start in youth before heading to the big times in men's premier.
The only way Marshall has got players to play for him at three kings is through $$. Three kings have splashed the cash this season!
[/QUOTE]Apparently, they haven't spent lots of cash! Despite what 99% of Auckland Football, including me, thinks!
[quote=bobmorton]Jag I'm not picking on you honestly! But what coach, in any other country, working in the games Premier mens league would throw that in to coach 16 year old girls? Come on !!!!!!
bobmorton, I didn't think you were picking on me , mate.
As allwhitebeliever says, if this was another country then I'd completely agree with you, but we're in NZ. Choice between a National side (albeit at age group level) with a relatively high profile after the recent WC games and getting loads of resources thrown at them or a team which struggles financially, playing in a not very good league which they'll never win and which doesn't even get exposure in it's own country. No-brainer as far as I'm concerned
Jag2009-08-07 00:08:58
You kidding me.
Firstly, the payout is better and secondly, you are dealing with the best players in the country in their age group, thirdly it is an international tournament which present a different challenge, fourly there is international recognition afterwards, fifthly not any coach manages a national team.
Also we are talking about NZ and any other country. If he was in another country where the mens premier are professional and the coaches salary is worth its salt, then you may have a point and the roles would be reversed and coaches start in youth before heading to the big times in men's premier.
Firstly, the payout is better and secondly, you are dealing with the best players in the country in their age group, thirdly it is an international tournament which present a different challenge, fourly there is international recognition afterwards, fifthly not any coach manages a national team.
Also we are talking about NZ and any other country. If he was in another country where the mens premier are professional and the coaches salary is worth its salt, then you may have a point and the roles would be reversed and coaches start in youth before heading to the big times in men's premier.
Allwhite I luv it when you join in serious conversations you show just how unbelievably little you know about the game.
You are dealing with the best 16 year old girls in little old NZ - believe me hardly top quality compared to men.
There is no international recognition ,believe me,for taking NZ under 17 girls- unless you want to become a womens college coach in the USA.
And in New Zealand ANY coach does manage a national team otherwise how would Herdman and Temple be there in the first place!!!
6 years of study wasted
Having personally known the amount of work that John Herdman has done over the years and the high level of his football education knowledge that he has helped developed in this country (setting up coaching tools for coaches by way of internet and multimedia formats while coaching the girls, it one of the first of it's kind in the world, he has been setting up coaching initiatives during the process) as well as the international sport recognition he gets outside of this sport (he has been invited in a couple of countries giving his own football research presentation and demonstration of his work with the girls team), shows how much out of line you are, bobmorton.
If there is anyone in this country who understand the latest and current football strategy and tactics around the world in great depth, it would be John Herdman.
I have not met Temple, but looking at the way the girls team played at their World Cup tells me that he has done an fantastic job which is light years ahead of what we had previously done with our youth teams.
bobmorton, you are might be right about Marshall, I don't know him being not from Auckland or Waitako.
However as much as I heard about Edmondson, he has nearly as much as youth development coaching experience that very similar to Temple and Herdman's prior appointment to their positions. You yourself, has said that you like him and so he is obviously been under the eyes of the NZF for sometime like Temple and Herdman was before him. (And I believe that you would have liked Temple and Herdman as much as you do of Edmondson because of the similar background).
Seems to me that it is a worthwhile appointment with a long and settled coaching contract with NZF rather than take a chance with Waikato FC post. A change of scenery is a good idea and a new challenge. He already knows what it required as Waikato FC coach and he would no doubt expect the NZF appointment as being much better with traveling and sharing coaching ideas with his peers and better job security.
Like Jag has said, it's a no-brainer.
If there is anyone in this country who understand the latest and current football strategy and tactics around the world in great depth, it would be John Herdman.
I have not met Temple, but looking at the way the girls team played at their World Cup tells me that he has done an fantastic job which is light years ahead of what we had previously done with our youth teams.
bobmorton, you are might be right about Marshall, I don't know him being not from Auckland or Waitako.
However as much as I heard about Edmondson, he has nearly as much as youth development coaching experience that very similar to Temple and Herdman's prior appointment to their positions. You yourself, has said that you like him and so he is obviously been under the eyes of the NZF for sometime like Temple and Herdman was before him. (And I believe that you would have liked Temple and Herdman as much as you do of Edmondson because of the similar background).
Seems to me that it is a worthwhile appointment with a long and settled coaching contract with NZF rather than take a chance with Waikato FC post. A change of scenery is a good idea and a new challenge. He already knows what it required as Waikato FC coach and he would no doubt expect the NZF appointment as being much better with traveling and sharing coaching ideas with his peers and better job security.
Like Jag has said, it's a no-brainer.
Always made me wonder why so many men want to work in the womens game???
And why the so called best coach's here in NZ are working in the womens game....GO figure.
There are many coach's like Herdman and Temple and Edmondson all from the UK who did not make it as players and very quickly turned to coaching and through using old school techniques of talking the talk working contacts playing politics, survive and then appointment like minded people to protect you.....and write lots of articles about how well you are doing...
Again can i say that i have witnessed Herdman and Temple and do believe they are both reasonable concerned about the game here in NZ where Edmondson is on the gravey train.
Also i have read comments about the NZ Girls position being full-time etc.......yet when i look at the job description it was advertised as none paying? No wonder no one any good applied and that Edmondson was happy to swicth from the amautuer position at Waikato FC and Hamilton Boys High and Claudelands Womens to U17 Girls....pay peanuts watch the monkeys feed...
Always made me wonder why so many men want to work in the womens game???
And why the so called best coach's here in NZ are working in the womens game....GO figure.
There are many coach's like Herdman and Temple and Edmondson all from the UK who did not make it as players and very quickly turned to coaching and through using old school techniques of talking the talk working contacts playing politics, survive and then appointment like minded people to protect you.....and write lots of articles about how well you are doing...
Again can i say that i have witnessed Herdman and Temple and do believe they are both reasonable concerned about the game here in NZ where Edmondson is on the gravey train.
Also i have read comments about the NZ Girls position being full-time etc.......yet when i look at the job description it was advertised as none paying? No wonder no one any good applied and that Edmondson was happy to swicth from the amautuer position at Waikato FC and Hamilton Boys High and Claudelands Womens to U17 Girls....pay peanuts watch the monkeys feed...
Think you probably mean gravy train? But if as you say the position is unpaid, how can he be on the gravy train.. not much of a gravy train!!
I get the feeling Edmonson has upset you somehow FUTBOL, did he get a job you wanted by some chance?
ok FUTBOL, I just need to say this.......... "Bono get over losing your job at waikato 3 years ago and go back to convincing kids to leave school". kiwijack2009-08-07 23:51:54
You've come to the same conclusion as us.
Trinidad and Tobago > Hamiltron
wow was I really the first person to actually point out who FUTBOL is????
How many people do you know would have the audacity to write on here "allows people like you guys the opportunity to talk to people like myself where I normally wouldn't bother".
O to be so important......what makes him any more important than any one of us????
You're the first to actually post it... the rest of us just sniggered quietly.
been sniggering too........
Interesting about the Bono bit.......you guys certainly have a heap of knowledge and insight for sure about this game here inNZ and overseas after reading your many articles......but i don't see too many of you actually out there doing something about it......lots of sniggering sounds like..as you snigger the players and the game gets worse and you write and discuss it further.
Still looking for evidence of certain people making any difference to ther game here who are in good positions to do so.....maybe some of you on this forum are those people "Old School"
Mark Twain said "more than one way to spell the same word".
lol I love how much in fighting there in in Waikato football.
No change since I played for HBHS/Narras in the late 90s.
Its like a great big Mafia gang but with no God Father.
No change since I played for HBHS/Narras in the late 90s.
Its like a great big Mafia gang but with no God Father.
"As for Edmondson, a National team (albeit at women's U17 level) and the international competition, experience and exposure that potentially brings, or Waikato FC in the NZFC. Hmm, I wonder how long he had to think about that decision!"
Jag I'm not picking on you honestly! But what coach, in any other country, working in the games Premier mens league would throw that in to coach 16 year old girls? Come on !!!!!!
Graham Rix!!!!
Will we have to change the name of this thread again? New Waikato FC coach Che Bunce announced. Had heard this a while ago, with Allan Jones as the "name" coach but with Bunce doing the work.
Story in Waikato Times
Story in Waikato Times
So whos in the team with Stu Hogg thats been told to F off by the coach an no updates for weeks come on Raffy whats up
apart from open trials an ethnic games crap on web site!
Sloth me old mate! Rest assured that over the next week and a bit the WFC website will be back to turning out info. We have some signings to talk about, some media announcements to make, a new club partnership offer that we have coming through and some upcoming pre-season fixtures to announce. In short we have been doing a fair bit behind the scenes (which has included ethnic tournament promotion and open trials). Incidentally what is your view on the lack background for the website?
Incidentally what is your view on the lack background for the website?
It was three days after the open trials and still the same notice, an up date of how many turned up whom stood out etc would of been good after the event
Good to see some new signings added though 
WAIKATO FOOTBALL CLUB
MEDIA RELEASE
MELVILLE UNITED REWARDED FOR CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON
THURSDAY 17 SEPTEMBER 2009
Joe Simpkins, Charlie Hoyle and Tewi Te Pou became the latest Melville United AFC players to join Waikato FC.
�I�m happy to have these three on board,� said Bunce, �Charlie has really come on this season and this should be a good step for him, while Tewi has shown that he is a player with a big future.�
Bunce reserved his biggest praise for Simpkins who returns to the club for his third straight year.
�Joey is a player who is as aggressive as he is creative and he will add some real steel to the midfield.
I have played as a striker in his team and one thing the team is really going to benefit from is the level of service and the amount of ball he is able to deliver.�
Waikato FC has now signed seven players from Northern Regional Premier League Champions Melville United.
WAIKATO FC CURRENT SQUAD: Che Bunce, Scott Robinson, Charlie Hoyle, David Samson, Paul Stewart, Tewi Te Pou, Joe Simpkins (Melville United) Sam Wilkinson (Hamilton Wanderers) Alex Barlow (Ngaruawahia United) Jason Chewins (Cambridge)
Profile: Joe SIMPKINS
Age: 23
Position: Midfielder
Club: Melville United
Previous Clubs: North Shore United
Honours: 2009 Northern Regional Football Premier League winner
Waikato FC: 10 matches, 0 goals � NZFC 2008/2009 season
Profile: Charlie HOYLE
Age: 22
Position: Defender
Club: Melville United
Previous Clubs: Cambridge
Honours: 2009 Northern Regional Football Premier League winner
Profile: Tewi TE POU
Age: 17
Position: Striker
Club: Melville United
Honours: 2009 Northern Regional Football Premier League winner
Waikato FC: 0 appearances, 0 goals
CLUB CONTACTS:
Gordon Glen Watson
Media and Communications
M: +64 (0) 27-270-3631
M2: +64 (0) 21-066-0738
E: [email protected]
E2: [email protected]
W: www.waikatofc.co.nz
James Raffan
Development Officer
M: +64 (0)27-600-7090
E: [email protected]
E2: [email protected]
W: www.waikatofc.co.nz
Che Bunce
Waikato FC Head Coach
M: +64 (0)21-824-921
E: [email protected]
W: www.waikatofc.co.nz
[B]CLUB CONTACTS:[/B]
MEDIA RELEASE
MELVILLE UNITED REWARDED FOR CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON
THURSDAY 17 SEPTEMBER 2009
Joe Simpkins, Charlie Hoyle and Tewi Te Pou became the latest Melville United AFC players to join Waikato FC.
�I�m happy to have these three on board,� said Bunce, �Charlie has really come on this season and this should be a good step for him, while Tewi has shown that he is a player with a big future.�
Bunce reserved his biggest praise for Simpkins who returns to the club for his third straight year.
�Joey is a player who is as aggressive as he is creative and he will add some real steel to the midfield.
I have played as a striker in his team and one thing the team is really going to benefit from is the level of service and the amount of ball he is able to deliver.�
Waikato FC has now signed seven players from Northern Regional Premier League Champions Melville United.
WAIKATO FC CURRENT SQUAD: Che Bunce, Scott Robinson, Charlie Hoyle, David Samson, Paul Stewart, Tewi Te Pou, Joe Simpkins (Melville United) Sam Wilkinson (Hamilton Wanderers) Alex Barlow (Ngaruawahia United) Jason Chewins (Cambridge)
Profile: Joe SIMPKINS
Age: 23
Position: Midfielder
Club: Melville United
Previous Clubs: North Shore United
Honours: 2009 Northern Regional Football Premier League winner
Waikato FC: 10 matches, 0 goals � NZFC 2008/2009 season
Profile: Charlie HOYLE
Age: 22
Position: Defender
Club: Melville United
Previous Clubs: Cambridge
Honours: 2009 Northern Regional Football Premier League winner
Profile: Tewi TE POU
Age: 17
Position: Striker
Club: Melville United
Honours: 2009 Northern Regional Football Premier League winner
Waikato FC: 0 appearances, 0 goals
CLUB CONTACTS:
Gordon Glen Watson
Media and Communications
M: +64 (0) 27-270-3631
M2: +64 (0) 21-066-0738
E: [email protected]
E2: [email protected]
W: www.waikatofc.co.nz
James Raffan
Development Officer
M: +64 (0)27-600-7090
E: [email protected]
E2: [email protected]
W: www.waikatofc.co.nz
Che Bunce
Waikato FC Head Coach
M: +64 (0)21-824-921
E: [email protected]
W: www.waikatofc.co.nz
[B]CLUB CONTACTS:[/B]
I've changed the name of this topic now that the coaching merry go round seems to have come to a halt
sounds like a club that has their sh*t together
Which club are you referring to Nick - Waikato or Melville Utd?
I'll be interested to see how many Ngaruwhhhh, i can never spell it, players make it. They have some really talented youngsters, like Barlow and Sam Margetts
Margetts overseas in America, Barlow has signed. Team looks pretty pathetic so far. As well as Melville played this year, those players will struggle in the nzfc.
Look at it this way� Waikato are a long way further ahead than they were at the same time last year.
I think they will have a very competitive back four in Dave Samson, Che Bunce, Charlie Hoyle and former Aldershot pro Jason Chewins. Charlie has come on a lot this season, while I think Samson is one of the most athletic players in New Zealand. Nobody will outrun him.
Then there's Joel mathews to fit in somewhere.
In midfield Sean van Rooyen will be a year older and wiser, while I�m picking this is where young Barlow will play. I�m a big fan of Barlow. He knows where the goal is. Paul Stewart, Joe Simpkins and Sam Willkinson are far from being novices at this level, though Waikato really do need to get talking to Michael Mayne to entice him into the frame.
It�s up front where Waikato are a bit light. Well, a lot light, actually.
And Robinson is a bit raw between the sticks, though showed over winter what a fast developer he is.
So really Waikato most need goalkeeping back-up and a couple of strikers. But the rest of it is on track.
Certainly don�t write Waikato off yet.
Rumour has it that Waikato FC have signed a very good young striker who has averaged around 20 goals a season for his very successful winter club team!
Some time this week we will be announcing a few more signings. Hopefully that will address some of Bruce's points.
nzowl - Buncey only scored 12 goals this season....my mistake you said YOUNG striker.
nzowl - Buncey only scored 12 goals this season....my mistake you said YOUNG striker.
hello. For all those looking for a bit of footy to watch on Saturday, two matches at Papakura (McLennan Park).
At 11am Waikato FC have their first pre-season outing, v Waitakere United.
Then at 3pm its Auckland City v the Northern League All Stars.
At about 5.30pm it's the Northern League prizegiving -- and your very own chance to witness Melville United once again lift the premier league trophy.
Hi Bruce,
Looking forward to caTCHING UP WITH WHATS HAPPENING IN THE WAIKATO IF YOU GIVE ME BUNCE'S NUMBER WE WILL INTERVIEW HIM ON THE MILES AND YATESY SHOW WHICH IS NOW NATIONWIDE ON RADIO SORT DONT KNOW YOUR AM NUMBER BETWEEN 1-2PM EVERY TUESDAY ON LOCAL FOOTBALL
Looking forward to caTCHING UP WITH WHATS HAPPENING IN THE WAIKATO IF YOU GIVE ME BUNCE'S NUMBER WE WILL INTERVIEW HIM ON THE MILES AND YATESY SHOW WHICH IS NOW NATIONWIDE ON RADIO SORT DONT KNOW YOUR AM NUMBER BETWEEN 1-2PM EVERY TUESDAY ON LOCAL FOOTBALL
Cheers for the info Bruce might duck up for a look, pity waikato fc dont advertise it on there site
Hi Guys.
New website is up and we will continue to work on it so please PM me with any feedback or just email me directly. It seems the easiest system we have used with regards to updating and eventually I am hoping to fill in every teams squad list in "The Team" section. Currently only the WFC team has been filled out when you click on it in the table.
New website is up and we will continue to work on it so please PM me with any feedback or just email me directly. It seems the easiest system we have used with regards to updating and eventually I am hoping to fill in every teams squad list in "The Team" section. Currently only the WFC team has been filled out when you click on it in the table.