If you give a place to Manawatu so they can get less than 200 to a game then yes, Nelson should have a chance.
Manawatu, Hawkes Bay and Otago are watched by 10 people out walking the dogs plus a few seagulls and the odd cat on a fence. That makes at least 150 attending.
Tahuna Park in Dunedin makes Trafalger Park seem like Camp Nou.
Tasman United
Potential starting line up
GK: Coey Turipa - Brisbane Athletic - New Zealand under-17 World Cup keeper.
LB
CB: Joe Green - Richmond - Former Norwich product. Played in the lower leagues of UK football.
CB Sam Ayers - Nelson - Former NZ age grade rep. Scored five goals for Nelson last year.
RB: Mike Bothwell - former National League player for Canterbury United
LM: Jordan Yong - Richmond. Scored for Phoenix reserves. Norwich youth product. Wanted by Team Welllington
CM: Mark Johnston - Nelson Suburbs - Nelson captain, has played for US college Limestone College
CM: Paul Dirou - Former Canterbury United player.
RM: Gagame Feni - Canterbury United starting winger. Two time secondary school golden boot winner
ST: Ben Wright - Richmond. Former English professional who has scored against Chelsea. Only 31 and has scored six goals in two games for Richmond.
ST: Michael White - Youngheart Manawatu - Originally from Nelson.
Reserves
Joel Weichern - NZ secondary school player. Current CB for TW youth team
Billy Scott - CM for Canterbury United youth team
Alex Ridsdale - current NZ U-17 striker
Sam Mason-Smith - 19 year-old targetman who made the final of Nike football search in UK.
Matt Ayloff - former NZ U-23 CB - Nelson's best player last year
Luis Garcia2011-04-13 01:08:07
GK: Coey Turipa - Brisbane Athletic - New Zealand under-17 World Cup keeper.
LB
CB: Joe Green - Richmond - Former Norwich product. Played in the lower leagues of UK football.
CB Sam Ayers - Nelson - Former NZ age grade rep. Scored five goals for Nelson last year.
RB: Mike Bothwell - former National League player for Canterbury United
LM: Jordan Yong - Richmond. Scored for Phoenix reserves. Norwich youth product. Wanted by Team Welllington
CM: Mark Johnston - Nelson Suburbs - Nelson captain, has played for US college Limestone College
CM: Paul Dirou - Former Canterbury United player.
RM: Gagame Feni - Canterbury United starting winger. Two time secondary school golden boot winner
ST: Ben Wright - Richmond. Former English professional who has scored against Chelsea. Only 31 and has scored six goals in two games for Richmond.
ST: Michael White - Youngheart Manawatu - Originally from Nelson.
Reserves
Joel Weichern - NZ secondary school player. Current CB for TW youth team
Billy Scott - CM for Canterbury United youth team
Alex Ridsdale - current NZ U-17 striker
Sam Mason-Smith - 19 year-old targetman who made the final of Nike football search in UK.
Matt Ayloff - former NZ U-23 CB - Nelson's best player last year
Luis Garcia2011-04-13 01:08:07
Potential starting lineup for a team that will never exist.
If Manawatu and Hawke's Bay can have a team then surely Nelson can. The region's top coaches want it. Just need the money. The one very important ingredient. I wonder if NZ Football want another team? If they can get 2000 people, be it a one off game, then you have to expect at least 300/400 of those would come regularly. Even more.
HA, even if Nelson did have a national league side, it wouldn't be Nelson Suburbs, dream on
HA, even if Nelson did have a national league side, it wouldn't be Nelson Suburbs, dream on
Well it would obviously be a Nelson representative team throughout all the local clubs.
Story about this in the Nelson Weekly today.
Door to national league open for Nelson - Nelson Weekly June 14
The path appears clear for Nelson football to make a long-awaited return to the country�s top domestic competition with New Zealand Football�s chief executive confirming to Nelson Weekly that he is ready and waiting for a formal bid from Nelson.
The region�s top coach, John Slotemaker, has been calling for the region�s clubs to unite and enter a team in the national league � now dubbed the ASB Premiership. But his wish seems closer than expected with NZF chief Grant Kavanagh saying he would �love� to see Nelson playing at national league level for the first time since the early 90�s.
Since that statement, Nelson Weekly has confirmed that the region�s two most successful clubs � Nelson Suburbs and Richmond Athletic � would support the franchise and former players would �jump at the chance� to return and play for a new Nelson side. Trafalgar Park could also be used as its home base during the summer competition.
Nelson Bays Football currently operates under the Mainland Football Federation banner, home to ASB Premiership side Canterbury United. Nelson�s top club, Nelson Suburbs, sits second in the Mainland Premier League.
But its coach, John Slotemaker, president Jason Lavington, along with Richmond Athletic president Stu Reid, says the current system does not work, with the region�s best players having to leave Nelson to further their careers, despite bumper crowd numbers, top facilities and outstanding results at youth level in the region.
A serious �stand alone� offer could act as a replacement for a number of clubs struggling in �certain areas,� or preferably to expand the current eight-team league to nine, according to Grant. �It�s a beautiful spot and Nelson has always created good footballers. I can�t see any downside,� he says.
But one obvious downside at going any further with the proposal is the cost. Entry fee in to the competition is $55,000 and Grant estimates teams spend $140,000 a season, with most teams attracting a fair amount of community trust funding as well as sponsorship.
But attracting gate sales to help with that figure shouldn�t be too much of a problem. A record 2500 spectators watched January�s ASB Premiership clash between Canterbury United and Team Wellington at Trafalgar Park, the highest attendance in the country last season.
Nelson last had a team in the national league when Nelson United played for 15 years, from the 1970s.
The Kevin Fallon-coached team featured a number of All Whites during its tenor including; Peter Simonsen, Richard Wilson, Keith Mackay, Ceri Evans, Kenny Cresswell, Ricki Herbert and Paul Brydon. John has advocated the need for a higher level for his players to aspire to, something the region does not currently offer. Players need to travel to Christchurch three or four times a week for training if they are selected for Canterbury United or its ASB National Youth League team, the latter featuring five players from Nelson Suburbs.
One of the top players to come out of Nelson in recent years, Mike White, says he would love to represent Nelson in the ASB Premiership. Mike, who went to both Waimea College and Nayland College, is a former New Zealand A representative and a member of the now defunct New Zealand Knights A-League franchise. �I would be the first to ring the club and make myself available to represent the region again. I would jump at the chance to come back and play at home.�
New Zealand under 17 star shot-stopper Coey Turipa confirmed he would also return home if Nelson gained entry in to the league. Coey was in the Canterbury United squad last season alongside Nayland College striker Gagame Feni. Richmond Athletic�s former England professional Ben Wright says he would also be keen to join the team.
Other former Nelson players with national league experience - Tom Lancaster, Paul Dirou, Mike Bothwell and Jordan Swaney - could also be potential targets.
But John says he could name �20 to 30� local players currently capable of stepping up to national league level. He says once the winter season is over all the local clubs could unite to form the nucleus of the squad. Nelson Suburbs captain Mark Johnston, Adam Smith, Jerry Donga, Isaiah Dayman and Erik Panzer, along with Richmond Athletic's imports, could form a team strong enough to compete with Otago United and YoungHeart Manawatu.
Marlborough Mariners manager Nigel Thompson has signaled interest in the venture and will talk with the Nelson representatives in the forthcoming weeks.
Nelson Mayor Aldo Miccio, who is also on the board of Nelson Bays Football, says he would �help facilitate� Nelson�s inclusion as much as he could. �I don�t think any football person in Nelson would object to it. It�s a pathway for our kids.�
The path appears clear for Nelson football to make a long-awaited return to the country�s top domestic competition with New Zealand Football�s chief executive confirming to Nelson Weekly that he is ready and waiting for a formal bid from Nelson.
The region�s top coach, John Slotemaker, has been calling for the region�s clubs to unite and enter a team in the national league � now dubbed the ASB Premiership. But his wish seems closer than expected with NZF chief Grant Kavanagh saying he would �love� to see Nelson playing at national league level for the first time since the early 90�s.
Since that statement, Nelson Weekly has confirmed that the region�s two most successful clubs � Nelson Suburbs and Richmond Athletic � would support the franchise and former players would �jump at the chance� to return and play for a new Nelson side. Trafalgar Park could also be used as its home base during the summer competition.
Nelson Bays Football currently operates under the Mainland Football Federation banner, home to ASB Premiership side Canterbury United. Nelson�s top club, Nelson Suburbs, sits second in the Mainland Premier League.
But its coach, John Slotemaker, president Jason Lavington, along with Richmond Athletic president Stu Reid, says the current system does not work, with the region�s best players having to leave Nelson to further their careers, despite bumper crowd numbers, top facilities and outstanding results at youth level in the region.
A serious �stand alone� offer could act as a replacement for a number of clubs struggling in �certain areas,� or preferably to expand the current eight-team league to nine, according to Grant. �It�s a beautiful spot and Nelson has always created good footballers. I can�t see any downside,� he says.
But one obvious downside at going any further with the proposal is the cost. Entry fee in to the competition is $55,000 and Grant estimates teams spend $140,000 a season, with most teams attracting a fair amount of community trust funding as well as sponsorship.
But attracting gate sales to help with that figure shouldn�t be too much of a problem. A record 2500 spectators watched January�s ASB Premiership clash between Canterbury United and Team Wellington at Trafalgar Park, the highest attendance in the country last season.
Nelson last had a team in the national league when Nelson United played for 15 years, from the 1970s.
The Kevin Fallon-coached team featured a number of All Whites during its tenor including; Peter Simonsen, Richard Wilson, Keith Mackay, Ceri Evans, Kenny Cresswell, Ricki Herbert and Paul Brydon. John has advocated the need for a higher level for his players to aspire to, something the region does not currently offer. Players need to travel to Christchurch three or four times a week for training if they are selected for Canterbury United or its ASB National Youth League team, the latter featuring five players from Nelson Suburbs.
One of the top players to come out of Nelson in recent years, Mike White, says he would love to represent Nelson in the ASB Premiership. Mike, who went to both Waimea College and Nayland College, is a former New Zealand A representative and a member of the now defunct New Zealand Knights A-League franchise. �I would be the first to ring the club and make myself available to represent the region again. I would jump at the chance to come back and play at home.�
New Zealand under 17 star shot-stopper Coey Turipa confirmed he would also return home if Nelson gained entry in to the league. Coey was in the Canterbury United squad last season alongside Nayland College striker Gagame Feni. Richmond Athletic�s former England professional Ben Wright says he would also be keen to join the team.
Other former Nelson players with national league experience - Tom Lancaster, Paul Dirou, Mike Bothwell and Jordan Swaney - could also be potential targets.
But John says he could name �20 to 30� local players currently capable of stepping up to national league level. He says once the winter season is over all the local clubs could unite to form the nucleus of the squad. Nelson Suburbs captain Mark Johnston, Adam Smith, Jerry Donga, Isaiah Dayman and Erik Panzer, along with Richmond Athletic's imports, could form a team strong enough to compete with Otago United and YoungHeart Manawatu.
Marlborough Mariners manager Nigel Thompson has signaled interest in the venture and will talk with the Nelson representatives in the forthcoming weeks.
Nelson Mayor Aldo Miccio, who is also on the board of Nelson Bays Football, says he would �help facilitate� Nelson�s inclusion as much as he could. �I don�t think any football person in Nelson would object to it. It�s a pathway for our kids.�
Interesting as I think the current eight ASB Premiership teams / clubs have their license until 2013, so unlikely to be any changes until then, unless any team pull out.
Door to national league open for Nelson - Nelson Weekly June 14
A serious �stand alone� offer could act as a replacement for a number of clubs struggling in �certain areas,� or preferably to expand the current eight-team league to nine, according to Grant. �It�s a beautiful spot and Nelson has always created good footballers. I can�t see any downside,� he says.
A serious �stand alone� offer could act as a replacement for a number of clubs struggling in �certain areas,� or preferably to expand the current eight-team league to nine, according to Grant. �It�s a beautiful spot and Nelson has always created good footballers. I can�t see any downside,� he says.
Sounds like NZF doesn't have confidence in a few clubs which you'd expect to be one or two of Otago/Manawatu/Hawke's Bay/Waikato
Or maybe its the realisation that just 8 teams is a wee bit of a joke. I for one would love to see Nelson back in, along with the Mount and maybe, just maybe, the Shore
Sounds lovely. But who is gonna stump up for the cash? And having a squad full of Nelson players sounds nice, but how many are actually going to return from Uni or overseas for to play NZFC?
Michael White would be a start. No one would come back from Uni though.
NELSON ENTER BID FOR TEAM IN 2016-17 ASB PREMIERSHIP - "TASMAN UNITED"
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM NZF ON ENTRIES FOR NEW LEAGUE DUE DECEMBER 16
Nelson Bays Football this week formally submitted a bid for a team to enter the ASB Premiership for the 2016-17 season when it expands to ten sides:
'Mark Sheehan, a member of the working group behind the bid, believes NBF has given itself "the best possible chance" to be included in the new 10-team national league from 2016, particularly as the bid - under the name Tasman United - has united support from every club across Nelson and Marlborough and from Mainland Football itself.
"Everyone is behind it. They want to see the youth success continue and for the men to be playing on a national level at Trafalgar Park," he said.
Sheehan said NBF and the working group, made up of representatives from numerous clubs, have done all their "due diligence" around financial stability and player depth, and have put together a bid that "the entire football community can be really proud of."
"I think we've got as much of a chance as anyone and everyone is backing this across the top of the south which is a powerful statement. We are confident we can not just compete but be very competitive and sustainable too," he said.
...Falcons coach Mark Johnston, another member of the working group and someone who has played in the ASB Premiership, firmly believed a team from the top of the south could be competitive in the national league, even against top clubs Auckland City, Team Wellington and Waitakere United.
"I've had 26 players say they're keen to play and we're only really looking for 21 and five of those have to be under 20. I think we could have a team that will not only compete but will challenge for the top spots and at the end of the day that's what the teams are vying for," he said.'
Jeremy Brockie backs the new "Tasman United" concept for a Nelson-Marlborough ASB Premiership franchise:
It's heartening to see one of NZ's leading professional players stating his intent to finish his career where it started for his home town club. It's rare for our top All Whites and pro players to return to local football after their pro careers.
Ivan Vicelich is the glaring exception of course and no blame can be attached to the likes of Ryan Nelsen who was physically too crocked at the end of his career to continue playing and had an instant coaching offer in a good league..
I question why, in the Aussie football environment, Tim Cahill opts to play in China rather than help football in his own country by returning to play in the A-League. He would still earn very decent money playing in Australia and would give a huge boost to the league.
There are three players from Nelson in the current Canterbury United squad (Turipa, Kaua, White), while Billy Scott plays for Team Wellington.
Nelson has a good crop of young players currently with the Nelson Marlborough Falcons winning the 2014 ASB Youth League and Nelson College winning the New Zealand secondary schools championship earlier this year.
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But there's one thing he would love to do when he retires from the professional game.
"There's nothing I'd like more than to represent Nelson in the national league. The reason I'm where I am today all comes back to Nelson. The hard yards I put in as a kid at Saxton Field and Jubilee Park. My close mates Mike Bothwell, Glen Pearless, Matt Mitchell, Mike White, Matt Elliot...the list goes on. Coaches that worked so hard with me; Steve Bignall, George Campbell, Brendan Crichton...again the list goes on," he said.
"I'd love to run out one day with a Tasman United shirt on representing and giving back to where it all started: Nelson."
That'd be a GREAT away day in the summer.
Julian Bowden CEO of Mainland Football backs Nelson's ASB Premiership franchise bid Tasman United:
Probably the biggest regular season crowd for an ASB Premiership match outside of games held as curtain raisers for Phoenix matches, was the 2500 who turned out in Nelson to watch Canterbury United play Team Wellington in 2011.
Having grown up in Nelson, it's largely horticultural rather than agricultural and a lot of those people like football. A large number of British and European immigrants too, as well as holiday makers visiting over the summer.
For a small town, there's always been a fair number of football-orientated pubs. In the 1990's I remember the Hotel Nelson being a major football hub, hosting Nelson United's national league after-match functions, sponsoring the team and Bartram Suri living upstairs.
NELSON ENTER BID FOR TEAM IN 2016-17 ASB PREMIERSHIP - "TASMAN UNITED"
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM NZF ON ENTRIES FOR NEW LEAGUE DUE DECEMBER 16
Nelson Bays Football this week formally submitted a bid for a team to enter the ASB Premiership for the 2016-17 season when it expands to ten sides:
'Mark Sheehan, a member of the working group behind the bid, believes NBF has given itself "the best possible chance" to be included in the new 10-team national league from 2016, particularly as the bid - under the name Tasman United - has united support from every club across Nelson and Marlborough and from Mainland Football itself.
"Everyone is behind it. They want to see the youth success continue and for the men to be playing on a national level at Trafalgar Park," he said.
Sheehan said NBF and the working group, made up of representatives from numerous clubs, have done all their "due diligence" around financial stability and player depth, and have put together a bid that "the entire football community can be really proud of."
"I think we've got as much of a chance as anyone and everyone is backing this across the top of the south which is a powerful statement. We are confident we can not just compete but be very competitive and sustainable too," he said.
...Falcons coach Mark Johnston, another member of the working group and someone who has played in the ASB Premiership, firmly believed a team from the top of the south could be competitive in the national league, even against top clubs Auckland City, Team Wellington and Waitakere United.
"I've had 26 players say they're keen to play and we're only really looking for 21 and five of those have to be under 20. I think we could have a team that will not only compete but will challenge for the top spots and at the end of the day that's what the teams are vying for," he said.'
Jeremy Brockie backs the new "Tasman United" concept for a Nelson-Marlborough ASB Premiership franchise:
It's heartening to see one of NZ's leading professional players stating his intent to finish his career where it started for his home town club. It's rare for our top All Whites and pro players to return to local football after their pro careers.
Ivan Vicelich is the glaring exception of course and no blame can be attached to the likes of Ryan Nelsen who was physically too crocked at the end of his career to continue playing and had an instant coaching offer in a good league..
I question why, in the Aussie football environment, Tim Cahill opts to play in China rather than help football in his own country by returning to play in the A-League. He would still earn very decent money playing in Australia and would give a huge boost to the league.
There are three players from Nelson in the current Canterbury United squad (Turipa, Kaua, White), while Billy Scott plays for Team Wellington.
Nelson has a good crop of young players currently with the Nelson Marlborough Falcons winning the 2014 ASB Youth League and Nelson College winning the New Zealand secondary schools championship earlier this year.
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But there's one thing he would love to do when he retires from the professional game.
"There's nothing I'd like more than to represent Nelson in the national league. The reason I'm where I am today all comes back to Nelson. The hard yards I put in as a kid at Saxton Field and Jubilee Park. My close mates Mike Bothwell, Glen Pearless, Matt Mitchell, Mike White, Matt Elliot...the list goes on. Coaches that worked so hard with me; Steve Bignall, George Campbell, Brendan Crichton...again the list goes on," he said.
"I'd love to run out one day with a Tasman United shirt on representing and giving back to where it all started: Nelson."
What a great comment from Brockie. Always impressed with the organisation and efforts of George and Co. in the early days of Mainland.
It was impressive in its lack of restrictions and structures. Some great kids out there working enthusiastically across the grades, learning from each other, with some real football people coaching them..
Lets not forget Nelson never played there way out of any national league, always a challenge right back through the 70's. A real Football town. Love to see them going again.
Tasman United is on twitter @TasmanU
Whats the gossip on signings? Surely Tavich wil get the job
Whats the gossip on signings? Surely Tavich wil get the job
http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/77044321/tasman-united-football-team-coaching-job-attracts-overseas-interest
Badge released
Probably shouldn't have used a gradient. The more I look the more I pick out. Still better than some A-League badges.
Yeah the gradient is a bit weird. Not convinced by the shape of the badge either. Could easily have kept it the classic badge shape. And not sure what the white circle behind the ball is.
I guess the vignette will only be used on digital iterations of the brand. Ship's been used plenty of times...sponsor opportunity ;)
I read the white circle on the ball as foreground with the blue crescent a shadow on top. Probably done to make it appear to be spherical/create depth.
Just me or does the blue sash with Tasman on it not have smooth curves/edges? Could just be the dodgy monitor I have at work
They should be smooth. may be some distortion when it was saved as a jpg file, especially if it's not on highest setting.
But also the word Tasman (and United a little bit too) doesn't follow the same curve of the sash which I think makes the lower curve seem a little more angular.
The curve of the wording could explain most of it. jpg compression hopefully the rest.
Not a bad badge overall. I like the subtly of some of the nautical themes like the ships wheel as the patch shape on the ball
Graphic design thread needed for club crests...
Also, while I'm at it....the Tasman region is located west of Nelson and doesn't even include Nelson City, let alone Blenheim on the east coast. However they've adopted the Tasman rugby union approach of incorporating Tasman, Nelson and Marlborough districts under the Tasman umbrella. Really though it's Top of the South United. But as junior GG was born in the Tasman district, I'm cool with that.
Will be interesting to see who they pick as coach, some mate of Brockie's by the looks of things?
Graphic design thread needed for club crests...
Also, while I'm at it....the Tasman region is located west of Nelson and doesn't even include Nelson City, let alone Blenheim on the east coast. However they've adopted the Tasman rugby union approach of incorporating Tasman, Nelson and Marlborough districts under the Tasman umbrella. Really though it's Top of the South United. But as junior GG was born in the Tasman district, I'm cool with that.
Will be interesting to see who they pick as coach, some mate of Brockie's by the looks of things?
Bring back Ricki
New coach named
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78679801/richard-anderson-revealed-as-tasman-united-coach-for-national-football-league
mega good luck to him - like his background in youth development...but county and forest? Surely not!
Newly named Tasman coach Richard Anderson is even co-author of a recent book on youth football coaching:
"Coaching Psychological Skills in Youth Football: Developing The 5Cs"Chris Harwood and Richard Anderson
http://www.bennionkearny.com/Coaching-Psychologica...
For sale on Amazon in the UK (click on cover with "browse inside" to read some of the book):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1909125881/ref=...
Published by a leading UK publisher March 2015.
Pretty impressive:
Amazon UK's 12th biggest seller in football skills and coaching books:
#12 in Books > Sports, Hobbies & Games > Football > Skills & Coaching
Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 27,043 in Books [which is pretty good out of millions of books on Amazon]
Author blurb:
Richard Anderson, MSc, is an UEFA A-license football coach who has worked at several football clubs at youth and senior level. He is actively involved with the Football Association as a licensed tutor for their psychology development courses for coaches, as well as the production of psychology-based education resources focused on the application of psychological skills in team environments, through the work of the coach. Richard is also a former student within the School of Sport, Exercise and Health Sciences at Loughborough University. He graduated with a BSc in Sport and Exercise Science in 2007 and gained an MSc in Sport and Exercise Psychology in 2009.
All six reviews on Amazon UK award it the maximum five stars:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1909125881/ref=...
By Dr Matt Pain on 1 July 2015
"Excellent resource full of practical ideas to develop the key mental skills (5C's) within your normal coaching sessions. The ideas have been integrated into many of the FA Psychology Courses and A-Licence Youth, and starting to be utilised across many professional clubs and academies in the UK. Highly recommended for coaches wishing to develop a psychological angle to their planning and delivery of sessions."
mega good luck to him - like his background in youth development...but county and forest? Surely not!
Garry Birtles
he was good for us - forgiven. Not so much for manchester u....
It turns out that the hero who was in the world news rescuing the baby from the car which went off the pier in Derry, Northern Ireland was former Nelson Suburbs striker Davitt Walsh who came out from Ireland to play for them in the Mainland Premier League in 2014.
He'd played in the top leagues in both the Republic and Northern Ireland.
After the car went off the pier, Davitt dived in and the father passed him his baby before the car sank under the water and the father and four other family members remaining in it died. Only the mother, who was not present, survived.
It turns out that the hero who was in the world news rescuing the baby from the car which went off the pier in Derry, Northern Ireland was former Nelson Suburbs striker Davitt Walsh who came out from Ireland to play for them in the Mainland Premier League in 2014.
He'd played in the top leagues in both the Republic and Northern Ireland.
After the car went off the pier, Davitt dived in and the father passed him his baby before the car sank under the water and the father and four other family members remaining in it died. Only the mother, who was not present, survived.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/78264953/Hero-...
Jesus......poor family......grim