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A full report on the Young Ferns' 10-0 defeat of the Solomon Islands on Matchday One of the OFC U-17 Women's Championship can be found at www.sportswebsoccer.com
 
 
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JR
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cheers JR

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Is it purely coincidental that almost the entire squad are from up north or could NZF not really be bothered looking anywhere else?
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Some of them have moved North to train with the squad.  Last U17's were the same.
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Hard News wrote:
Some of them have moved North to train with the squad.� Last U17's were the same.


Yes the problems of having the lack of elite end quality coaching around the country means a commitment to travel, train on a regular basis as a collective, instead of having training camps in the school holidays. But more importantly, there are stronger winter clubs in auckland for match playing. I think that is the factor in the NZF decision.

"Being timid in world football gets you nowhere, and taking the easy option of standing on the sidelines while the rest of the world goes for the big prizes, is never going to be an option." - Frank L

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Hard News wrote:
Some of them have moved North to train with the squad.  Last U17's were the same.


Yes the problems of having the lack of elite end quality coaching around the country means a commitment to travel, train on a regular basis as a collective, instead of having training camps in the school holidays. But more importantly, there are stronger winter clubs in auckland for match playing. I think that is the factor in the NZF decision.
I dont think it is

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I thought that the Women's Football clubs in Auckland are generally competitively stronger than the rest of the country over the years. Although I may be wrong in assuming it is so. It's not my area.

Perhaps JR can comment better on this. He's the NZ Women's football expert.

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they are. baut i dont see that as being a major reason behind it (basing camps in Akld). its partially only stronger beacuse they do have this policy.

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Well I was thinking purely on the players perspective in this case. The regular playing level has to be naturally higher. Although occasionally if the club is not up to it, it can bring bad habits until you are back training with better players.

The major reason is surely cost effectiveness.

Although I don't see why the training camps in the holidays can't get the same desired effect unless they are doing both the camp in holidays and keeping the regular weekly training. I suppose it means that they get to increase more training time together and avoid some of the bad club playing habits by less relative exposure.AllWhitebelievr2010-04-16 00:31:43

"Being timid in world football gets you nowhere, and taking the easy option of standing on the sidelines while the rest of the world goes for the big prizes, is never going to be an option." - Frank L

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AJ13 wrote:
Is it purely coincidental that almost the entire squad are from up north or could NZF not really be bothered looking anywhere else?
 
Its no coincedence NZF couldn't be bothered
 
Good luck to the girls and I hope they do well in Trinadad; but its hard to get excited about Auckland Invitational teams palmed off as 'New Zealand Teams'
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10 of the 20 players who played the OFC Qualifying Tournament are from Auckland - i.e. the greater area of Auckland (incl North Shore). I don't see how that constitiutes an "Auckland Invitation team"!

A greater number than that are currently living and playing in Auckland as some have moved up to be able to train with the team regularly without the cost and hassle of regular travel. One actually moved to Hamilton!

The process of selecting the most-recent squad of 30 was extensive and involved looking at the best players from all of NZ, including "trials" in Christchurch and Wellington.

The head coach actually lives in Hamilton!

Perhaps non-Aucklanders look for conspiracy theories too often!
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well the perception from outside Auckland/upper north island is that the team selection is definitely "catered" towards northern teams shall we say...the coach has 6 players from his own club(Claudelands Rovers),in conjunction with the 10 from Auckland.So that's 16 out of the 20,despite teams like Canterbury,who traditionally do well in the national tournaments,having merely 2 players(one of whom is actually no better than 3-4 others from Canterbury).This is no north island beat up;but I find it hard to believe that All 16 are superior to players from other regions.As the one unattached player,Tessa McPherson says: "If you're not there, they can't look at you. So you've got more of an advantage if you're in Auckland".Is it "can't look at you" or "won't"?Furthermore,the "trials" you speak of are a joke:training drills through cones,skill sessions and and a knock around on the final day doesn't constitute a "trial",whereby players are asked to perform these skills 1v1 in a competitive match situation,which is where you find out whether a player has "it" or not:surely that is the barometer when assessing 20-40 talented players?.For players outside the South Island in particular,these camps/trials seem to be merely cosmetic,with most names already on the selectors team sheet...
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We can all have our views, and they can differ.

However, you need to be careful with "facts". Yes, there were 6 current Claudelands players in the OFC qualifying squad, and the NZ team head coach coaches that team - but only 3 of those players were in that club team last year. 3 have joined this year - primarily from outside Hamilton and one (Hannah Wong) is from Christchurch.

Remember also that the original squad of 36 was chosen from last year's Federation tournament that all squad contenders presumably played at - good 1v1 competitive game situations.

The reality is that the Northern Premier Women's competition simply is the srongest women's competition in New Zealand - week-in-week-out. Only 6 of the current enlarged squad of 29 are not playing in it - you could argue that those players are at a disadvantage because they are playing in weaker competitions, rather than becasue they are not being "seen".

I don't hear too much moaning from within Auckland that the majority of the NZ-based All Whites going to the World Cup this year are from a Wellington team! It is simply accepted that the strongest team/competition will attract the best players and they will develop best in that environment.
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Interested to know how many of the current u17 squad were getting regular starts in Nthrn Prem sides last year?

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Granted the Northern Premier league is the strongest in the country and should provide most players for national teams. However in the U16 Fed tournament last year Auckland finished 2nd last and US1 finished 3rd last (both behind Footballsouth). Down here there are more than a few eyebrows raised that there are 10 players these teams area and none from Footballsouth.
 
From the outside the trials did seem a shame. One of the girls I have coached was in Europe during the Chch trial, her parents were willing to fly her to the Auckalnd trials but were told she wasn't allowed. I personally rang the coach 5 times to convince him to give hera chance but got no reply, in an email he stated that he had seen the player in the U17's v Footballsouth game and was keeping an eye her. Given she wasn't in the country for that game I got the impression he just wasn't interested.
 
On the U17's v Footballsouth I was appalled to hear prior to the match that it was to be held at Albany as that was the U17's home venue. If Dunedin isn't a home venue for them is it a NZ side? I know none of the team came from here but it would have been great to see a national team play here.
 
Much has been made of Aaron Clapham's call up to the WC training squad and that his sister Sara isalready a full international. My question is why is it she was good enough to make the team 5 years ago but not now? Is it coincidence that she is now in Chch? By my reckoning the last Football Fern to be selected while living in the South Island was Zania Cogle almost 10 years ago.
 
I know of players who have made NZ sides, said no to moving north and then never hear from NZ football again. Our player base is to small to ignore a significant pool of talent. Women from down here who play other sports such as Cricket, Rugby and Basketball get the oppurtunity to play for NZ despite the local competitions being comparitively weak as well. We need to expand our player base not shrink it.
 
Anyway enough ranting I'm getting off topic, to be honest this is not just about the U17s, or even just womens football. Although it is more of problem in the womens game. I also do sincerly wish the team all the best but I just don't get as excited as I used too.

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Feverish wrote:

Interested to know how many of the current u17 squad were getting regular starts in Nthrn Prem sides last year?



11 played in the NOrthern Premier League last season by my calculation, based on the current "wider squad" of 29, and going on my memory:

Every week: 4 (Bowen, Carlton, Dudley-Smith and Loye)

Often: 2 (Head and Patterson)

Occasionally: 5 (Boyce, Burrows, Mathews, Windsor and Seatter)

8 of these 11 were in the 20 that palyed in the OFC Qualifying tournament
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4 isn't a lot. They should have come to play in Wellington where they could have played every week in a stronger competition than whatever the Akld reserve division is.

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A tasty draw for the Young Ferns:
 
Japan - finished third in Asia
Venezuela - finished third in South America
The yet-to-be-determined European champions - one from Eire, Germany, Holland or Spain
 
 
Cheers,
 
JR
 

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