The next All Whites coach

17/08/2005
03/09/2005
07/09/2005
08/10/2005
12/10/2005
12/11/2005
16/11/2005
01/03/2006
16/08/2006
02/09/2006
06/09/2006
07/10/2006
11/10/2006
15/11/2006
02/06/2007
06/06/2007 vs Ukraine (cancelled)
08/09/2007
12/09/2007
13/10/2007 vs Fiji (cancelled)
06/02/2008
26/03/2008
31/05/2008
04/06/2008
20/08/2008
11/10/2008
15/10/2008
11/02/2009
01/04/2009 vs Indonesia (cancelled)
12/08/2009
05/09/2009 vs Iraq (cancelled)
14/10/2009
18/11/2009
11/08/2010
03/09/2010
07/09/2010
17/11/2010
09/02/2011
29/03/2011 vs Japan (cancelled)
10/08/2011
02/09/2011
06/09/2011
07/10/2011
11/10/2011
11/11/2011
15/11/2011
15/08/2012
06/02/2013
04/06/2013
14/08/2013
11/10/2013

That is all I have to say about Ricki.

We do need to change. I think Ricki has given a lot and been very unfairly criticised at times. But at the same time he is limited. I think he has given all he can and there is a need for fresh ideas, especially to try and instill more confidence in the players when they are on the ball and have others give them better options. I also think NZ would generally be better off with a more pressing defence, that is something we should have the players to do but has never really been implemented under Ricki at all. 

Not completely convinced by Emblem. I would sound out Graham Arnold and see if he was interested, I think he would be a good fit. Otherwise advertise it and see who is interested.

Having read that article, I have to say I lost a little bit of respect for Ricki.

A good leader knows when its time to get out. He might have stayed 6 months longer at the Phoenix than necessary but he got out when it became apparent it was time to. I think if he cannot see that its time to get out, he is delusional.

I have not been one to kick Ricki but he needs a brick bat for that. Granted its media and they can slant it how they like but its not a good look. It just wreaks of absolute god/messiah complex and arrogance.

was going to suggest this myself...but feared an anti-aussie squad paying me a dawn visit. i f we could afford Arnold why not at least sound him out, after all he has done some good stuff wth the mariners and also has international management experience

What millions?

NZF is broke as it is. Any money made from the Mexico tie will certainly not go towards a "quality overseas coach".

Not gonna happen.

Hmm, yeah, nah.

The injection of $5m (allegedly) from TV rights for next week's game certainly helps. We would be facing a much more frugal future without it.

But setting aside $1m of that over 4 years ($250k per year) to pay the All Whites coach would at least be a start. You could maybe then afford to get someone with A-League assistant-coaching experience.

Seriously people, that's the standard of candidate we will be looking at. Most A-League head coaches would expect to be on $300k+

I posted once before that I think probably the most value for money investment that Sport NZ could make into NZF is topping up the All Whites coach salary by $100-200k a year. That would push the job up into another league of candidate (although still not great). They won't do it though because the All Whites are not ranked high enough to be perceived as worth investing in (unlike the Football Ferns).

Keep Herbert until Russia 2018. Think about this, who thought that Mexico was going to finish 4th in the hex? If Panama defended better against the USA it might be another story, also the OFC SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE SPOT FOR THE WORLD CUP, also we have to remember he has saved the All Whites after the Vanuatu disaster of 2004, and also these are following pros and cons during his time as manager:

Pros
1st ever win over a European side, Georgia in '06 and also Serbia in '10.
1st ever point in the FIFA Confederations Cup, Iraq '09 and 1st ever point in the FIFA World Cup.
1st time the All Whites to qualify for the FIFA World Cup in 28 years.
Most matches managed by an All Whites manager 59-22-14-23, 9 more than John Adshead.

Cons
5-1 Mexico loss and 5-0 losses to Spain and Venezuela.
2-0 loss to New Caledonia which meant no 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup.
Cancelled matches vs. Ukraine '07, Fiji '07, Indonesia '09 and Iraq '09. (Japan '11 don't count)
Key injuries to key players.
The All Whites could of play on the following dates during the Herbert era:

17/08/2005
03/09/2005
07/09/2005
08/10/2005
12/10/2005
12/11/2005
16/11/2005
01/03/2006
16/08/2006
02/09/2006
06/09/2006
07/10/2006
11/10/2006
15/11/2006
02/06/2007
06/06/2007 vs Ukraine (cancelled)
08/09/2007
12/09/2007
13/10/2007 vs Fiji (cancelled)
06/02/2008
26/03/2008
31/05/2008
04/06/2008
20/08/2008
11/10/2008
15/10/2008
11/02/2009
01/04/2009 vs Indonesia (cancelled)
12/08/2009
05/09/2009 vs Iraq (cancelled)
14/10/2009
18/11/2009
11/08/2010
03/09/2010
07/09/2010
17/11/2010
09/02/2011
29/03/2011 vs Japan (cancelled)
10/08/2011
02/09/2011
06/09/2011
07/10/2011
11/10/2011
11/11/2011
15/11/2011
15/08/2012
06/02/2013
04/06/2013
14/08/2013
11/10/2013

That is all I have to say about Ricki.

It's hard to have a discussion with someone who has already made up their mind, but lets look at the numbers...

For the year ending 31 December 2012, NZF were approx $8million in the black. This included an increase in revenue (i.e. income) of approx $300K (there's your future coach's salary). Sure, total equity will be less now, but they can shortly expect another injection of $5million.

At what point do you think it's safe to start spending money on a quality coach for the premier team?

How much is Ricki pulling in from the AW's gig?

and the reason that the americas cup gets millions in cash for a minority rich mans sport as opposed to the all whites representing new zealand across the world in the true global sport would be.........

and the reason that the americas cup gets millions in cash for a minority rich mans sport as opposed to the all whites representing new zealand across the world in the true global sport would be.........

and the reason that the americas cup gets millions in cash for a minority rich mans sport as opposed to the all whites representing new zealand across the world in the true global sport would be.........

Its in the nzrfu's best interest to keep actual global sports in New Zealand down, ( Football/Basketball/Trackandfield) but sports such as the americans cup/lawn bowls/ netball and bmx downhill mountain bike riding arent a threat. But the nzrfu doesnt want government going to big global sports, because that would be a threat, so they just have a word or two to the government and the media to make sure this doesnt happen.

Its in the nzrfu's best interest to keep actual global sports in New Zealand down, ( Football/Basketball/Trackandfield) but sports such as the americans cup/lawn bowls/ netball and bmx downhill mountain bike riding arent a threat. But the nzrfu doesnt want government going to big global sports, because that would be a threat, so they just have a word or two to the government and the media to make sure this doesnt happen.

and the reason that the americas cup gets millions in cash for a minority rich mans sport as opposed to the all whites representing new zealand across the world in the true global sport would be.........

When he was also employed by the Phoenix his salary was being topped up by NZF by $50k pa.

Since then he has probably been getting no more than $100k pa from NZF. It's been a WC qualification year, but there's also been very little actual activity.

This is the problem for NZF. Despite all the criticism thrown at him Ricki has been damn good value for money. The new coach is likely to cost NZF at least 2 or 3 times more than what they've been paying up until now - a decent hit on the budget.

Its in the nzrfu's best interest to keep actual global sports in New Zealand down, ( Football/Basketball/Trackandfield) but sports such as the americans cup/lawn bowls/ netball and bmx downhill mountain bike riding arent a threat, so they get the money.  But the nzrfu doesnt want  the government to give money  to big global sports, because that would be a threat, so they just have a word or two to the government and the media to make sure this doesnt happen. If soccer and basketball started to get funds to get big into the schools, rugby union would be screwed.

The newzealand senior blind bowls team got 17K from HPSNZ to prepare for their world champs the Tall Blacks and Tall Ferns got $0. Any sport that is deemed to be a threat to rugby union will not get funding. small sports globally will though, because its not a threat.

It is likewise hard to have a discussion with someone who can't read a set of accounts.

You are quoting figures from the consolidated accounts, which include the New Zealand Football Foundation - a charitable trust which is untouchable from an operating point of view.

NZF's own equity at the end of 2012 was $2.5m. Down from $4.4m at the start of 2011.

NZF also made operating losses of $316k in 2011 and $964k in 2012 and was only able to report surpluses by making transfers from the international teams reserve, which is now gone.

Without the $5m we were looking pretty fucked but NZF have done well to secure that money and right the ship somewhat.

I would say that a modest investment in the All Whites coach is justified, but if you are thinking it should be much more than $1m over 4 years then I think that is putting us back into fairly risky territory. Of course, neither of us has the full financial picture (including the upcoming 2013 result) so this is largely speculation.

Its in the nzrfu's best interest to keep actual global sports in New Zealand down, ( Football/Basketball/Trackandfield) but sports such as the americans cup/lawn bowls/ netball and bmx downhill mountain bike riding arent a threat, so they get the money.  But the nzrfu doesnt want  the government to give money  to big global sports, because that would be a threat, so they just have a word or two to the government and the media to make sure this doesnt happen. If soccer and basketball started to get funds to get big into the schools, rugby union would be screwed.

Ricki will get sacked via fax

and the reason that the americas cup gets millions in cash for a minority rich mans sport as opposed to the all whites representing new zealand across the world in the true global sport would be.........

Also I've read a figure of $5 million from selling the second leg television rights and ticket sales. Reportedly there's still about $4.5 million of the WC 2010 money invested. That's hardly "broke".

The problem with bringing in a good overseas coach, and I'd love a fresh attacking mindset, is a lack of games. NZF hardly likes to dip into it's purse to fund internationals. However a new coach could target the next Confederations Cup in 2016, which should, if we qualify, be self-funding from the $1 million plus prize money for winning Oceania. That should be a decent carrot for any up and coming coach wanting to make a name on the international stage. Outside of Ramon Tribulietx of ACFC, I don't think there's a domestic coach good enough.

Also I've read a figure of $5 million from selling the second leg television rights and ticket sales. Reportedly there's still about $4.5 million of the WC 2010 money invested. That's hardly "broke".

The problem with bringing in a good overseas coach, and I'd love a fresh attacking mindset, is a lack of games. NZF hardly likes to dip into it's purse to fund internationals. However a new coach could target the next Confederations Cup in 2016, which should, if we qualify, be self-funding from the $1 million plus prize money for winning Oceania. That should be a decent carrot for any up and coming coach wanting to make a name on the international stage. Outside of Ramon Tribulietx of ACFC, I don't think there's a domestic coach good enough.

Just putting this out there because I'm generally interested. Is there any chance of pushing some of these jobs together to make it worthwhile enough to get someone decent? i.e. get a national coach for both mens & women? Or make them coach one of the youth sides as well?

Realising there are problems with both options, but getting a full-time coach for just the AWs seems a bit over the top given how many games we play, and combining with an a-league gig clearly wasn't working for Ricki last season.