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Tahiti not coming might have something to do with their domestic state of affairs after the Tamarii suspension
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Luis Garcia wrote:
not a huge fan of Auckland and it's southern suburbs.


Why those ones in particular?

Usually such things are played in Albany at the other end of the metro area.
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Good thinking Batman. I recall the last u-20 qualifier versus them well. We lost 2-1. We had Adam McGeorge sent off; it was a disaster and meant we didn't go to the finals. In our team that day was Kosta Barbarouses, Ian Hogg, Tim Myers, Sam Campbell, Michael Eager, Jonny Raj and a certain Cory Chettelburgh. So it was a decent side. I'm a bit of a cynic sorry; I'm glad Tahiti aren't there if it helps our chances.Toffeeman662011-03-30 21:45:11
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Unfortunately, I wouldn't imagine any of the island sides will put up much of a challenge to the Junior All Whites. 
 
From memory the Tahiti side that won in 2009 had been playing in their National League in the lead-up to the tourney and basically ate, slept and trained together.
 
With a bit of internet research it seems that Vanuatu, PNG and Fiji have followed their lead and tried it this season with varying degrees of success.  PNG U-20 were beaten 1-5 by CWC reps Hekari in the semis over the weekend.  Not too sure how Vanuatu and Fiji went in their leagues, but Fiji will be tough to beat on their home ground (Mangere).
 
Saw the draw has NZ, New Caledonia and Solomons in one group which will mean one of them wont progress past that stage while Fiji and Vanuatu should come from the other group.
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Solomon Islands have picked island-based players only.
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TBF outside of Gargamel Feni I dont think they have many other players under 20 playing outside of the country?  The two at TW and the one at HBU must be overage. 
 
Maybe some kids playing at high schools around the country?  Little help from anyone who knows better?
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I know St Peters College Auckland have picked up a young striker called David Browne; he was with the PNG u-17s and boy is he fast. A lot of people think St Peters coach Brett McMurdoch is mad but he has Michael Fitzgerald and now Ethan Galbraith on his books as NZ reps. I think Fallon may have picked up an island boy for MAGS from the recent u-17 qualifiers also. He continues to do well producing representative players: Lucas, Sole and Milne all went to MAGS.Toffeeman662011-03-30 22:20:05
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Luis Garcia wrote:
Chris Milicich said on Twitter that they were checking his availability. So he obviously can't represent New Zealand.


Or confirmation hasn't come through on time.
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thow24 wrote:
TBF outside of Gargamel Feni I dont think they have many other players under 20 playing outside of the country?� The two at TW and the one at HBU must be overage.�
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Maybe some kids playing at high schools around the country?� Little help from anyone who knows better?


Jerry Donga also attends Nayland College and their coach has very strong ties with the Solomon Islands.
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Was he the kid that was terrific at the NZSS tourney last year?

Luis Garcia..he drinks sangria...
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Interesting, would be a shame if those two have missed out due to not being on the radar.  Or frightening if they are on the radar and what is at home is rated above them!?
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No Coey Turipa? Really dropped off the radar...
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Every year NZ teams are getting stronger...on paper. Still need to perform on the pitch of course.

But it is still great to see so many more young players getting exposure at professional clubs. I hope the local players are regular first team starters. is that the case or are few of them bench warmers?

This is a great squad to be named for the Oceania qualifiers. If we qualify for the WC I am assuming Chris Wood will join us then, and maybe Lindsey C and that young kid Dominik Traunmuller just found in Germany, if he is any good, once they sort his paperwork out and also if he agrees to play for the NZ u20. I live in Germany, Berlin now, i wanted to try and get along to one of his games to try and whisper sweet nothings about NZ and the All whites in his ear...also to see what his standard was like. His team don't seem to be playing any games in Berlin though. If anyone can be bothered doing research on one of his games that might not be to far away from Berlin...let me know and i will try and get along, make a day/weekend trip of it. I could also video some of the game and load it onto youtube.


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Toffeeman66 wrote:
Was he the kid that was terrific at the NZSS tourney last year?

Luis Garcia..he drinks sangria...


Gagame Feni has been top goal scorer the past two NZSS tournaments.

Jerry Donga was Nelson Suburbs top goal scorer. He is still at Nayland alongside Gagame Feni and a younger Solomon Islander, except Gagame is by far the better player.
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thow24 wrote:
Interesting, would be a shame if those two have missed out due to not being on the radar.� Or frightening if they are on the radar and what is at home is rated above them!?


Nayland's coach has coached in the Solomon Islands and has strong ties with the country. There is no way that they weren't on the radar. Maybe Gagame wants to represent New Zealand..
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Feni isn�t in the NZ-U20-squad.

And therefore he is also eligable to play for Salomon Islands U20.
He can change the National team them like Traunm�ller, if he really want to play then for NZ.

In my opinion is this not the reason, that he don�t play for the Solomon-Islands U20.
Because then he have to be in the NZ-U20-squad.
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LondonChris wrote:
Every year NZ teams are getting stronger...on paper. Still need to perform on the pitch of course.

But it is still great to see so many more young players getting exposure at professional clubs. I hope the local players are regular first team starters. is that the case or are few of them bench warmers?

This is a great squad to be named for the Oceania qualifiers. If we qualify for the WC I am assuming Chris Wood will join us then, and maybe Lindsey C and that young kid Dominik Traunmuller just found in Germany, if he is any good, once they sort his paperwork out and also if he agrees to play for the NZ u20. I live in Germany, Berlin now, i wanted to try and get along to one of his games to try and whisper sweet nothings about NZ and the All whites in his ear...also to see what his standard was like. His team don't seem to be playing any games in Berlin though. If anyone can be bothered doing research on one of his games that might not be to far away from Berlin...let me know and i will try and get along, make a day/weekend trip of it. I could also video some of the game and load it onto youtube.


Please change your name to BerlinChris to remove any confusion
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ethan galbraith must be the worst player ever picked for a national side!!
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ethan galbraith must be the worst player ever picked for a national side!!

Debatable. They had Nikolai Molijn in the last under 17s.
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Why is he so bad, whats his goal scoring record like?
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"Fifa Under-20 World Cup squad came out of the blue."

...well if he's a striker, there's a certain Chris Wood also being added to the squad for the World Cup.
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TouchMe wrote:
Why is he so bad, whats his goal scoring record like?


He isn't bad.
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I don't think he's that bad either; but he's been picked as a big target man if they need one. Milicich was wandering around the u-19 tournament in Napier last year specifically looking for a player like that. This u-20 squad is filled with kids that can play, no question, but they do look a bit small and lacking in physicality IMO; certainly if I was one of the PI coaches I be telling my players to belt the NZ kids around a bit. So I think the Galbraith choice is not unwarranted.
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You have obviously not watched him play??????
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Ethan? I first saw him as an 8 yr old when he played for a team called Te Atatu Tip Top. His old man was the coach and he was the stand out player in that team, but had nowhere near the ability of some of the kids in his age group (1991) from the likes of Three Kings, Birkenhead and Bay Olympic. He didn't ever get picked for any Fed 2 rep sides and just plodded along as a club player, but emerged as a useful midfielder once he started at St Peter's under the tough fitness regime that is Brett McMurdoch. I watched him play school football a lot and he always had an eye for goal. In his last year at School St Peters came from 1-0 down to beat Auckland Grammar in the Auckland Knock Out final; Ethan scored both goals. As I said earlier, I think he's been picked as a big target man. He's 6'4", good in the air, has quite nice feet for a big guy. He's a bit slow, but so is Rory Fallon. I like Ethan's story; he's a classic late developer and will get better for sure IMO. And I don't know of any better u-20 player in that mould around NZ. Do you?Toffeeman662011-04-14 12:24:40
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Ethans father was not the coach of Te Atatu Tip Top it was another players dad!
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Luke Rowe article here - Soccer's new overseas import' introduces himself
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10719648
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One of the best recent newspaper reports on the NZ team- mostly about the team although the heading suggests its primarily about Liam Graham 
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"Coach Chris Milicich could have included more professionals but decided he wanted half of the 20-man squad to come from Australasian-based players who had played extensively with each other. It </> meant Milicich could afford to leave out the likes of Cameron Lindsay (Blackburn), Caleb Rufer and Chris Wood (West Brom but on loan with Brighton) who all have extensive professional experience. Wood, who played at last year's World Cup and has played in the English Premier League, was given leave to help his Brighton side win promotion to England's League One and will come into the squad should they qualify for Colombia."

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Liam Graham went on a family holiday and ended up with a professional contract.
It's not often you pick up a professional contract when you're on holiday, unless you're already earning squllions a week and can afford to traipse off to places likes Monte Carlo or St Tropez. Liam Graham was on a family holiday in Croatia when he was summoned to a trial in Italy with Serie B side Vicenza Calcio. He immediately bought himself a pair of football boots, travelled to the northern Italian city and, eight days later, signed a one-year contract.

Graham is just one of an increasing number of New Zealand footballers with professional contracts or university scholarships. The Junior All Whites squad which will this week attempt to qualify for this year's Under-20 World Cup in Colombia contains no less than eight professionals and two more at US colleges. One has already made his All Whites debut (Marco Rojas) and another is in the wider squad (Luke Rowe).

Coach Chris Milicich could have included more professionals but decided he wanted half of the 20-man squad to come from Australasian-based players who had played extensively with each other. Most are regulars in the ASB Premiership, including Dakota Lucas who scored two goals for Waitakere United in their grand final win over Auckland City</>

It meant Milicich could afford to leave out the likes of Cameron Lindsay (Blackburn), Caleb Rufer and Chris Wood (West Brom but on loan with Brighton) who all have extensive professional experience. Wood, who played at last year's World Cup and has played in the English Premier League, was given leave to help his Brighton side win promotion to England's League One and will come into the squad should they qualify for Colombia.

The number of professionals is a significant increase from New Zealand under-20 teams of the past. The last intake (2008) had two, the 2007 squad one, the 2005 team none and 2002 Junior All Whites had four. It's a reflection of New Zealand's increased presence at world tournaments since Australia moved into Asia in 2006 - as well as the improved status of New Zealand footballers around the world. Last year's World Cup only enhanced that.

It's also recognition New Zealand's best talent need to get into professional environments as soon as they can. While the Wellington Phoenix provide a pathway, only a limited number can go there and the club have often signed Australians as one of their three mandatory under-21 players. Heading offshore is still the best idea for aspiring players because, aside from the Phoenix, New Zealand clubs can offer players at best three or four training sessions a week.

"There's a passion and desire in young players today to become professionals," Milicich says. "Often their parents have made huge commitments to get them offshore into these professional environments. It's really difficult to become a pro now, which is why a lot of them are going down the US college system. Players see it as a possible career path and will do what it takes to make it."

Players have gone to US colleges for some time - Ryan Nelsen and Simon Elliott started there - but more are seeing it as a viable alternative to Europe. The New Zealand Professional Footballers Association, driven largely by senior All Whites like Tim Brown and Ivan Vicelich, recently funded a tour of the US for eligible players and 11 of the 14 who went have since been offered scholarships. There are now more than 40 New Zealand men playing professionally around the world with a further 50 or so on scholarships in the US. The presence of New Zealand teams at World Cups of all levels will only enhance that number and it also improves New Zealand's chances when they get there.

It means the under-20s will be overwhelming favourites heading into this week's World Cup qualifiers in Auckland, especially considering none of the other six teams have a professional among them. But New Zealand have traditionally struggled in this age group and have qualified only once in three times since Australia moved out. Australia won every qualifying tournament before their departure.

"People can say we are overwhelming favourites but I disagree," Milicich says. "You only have to look at history. The last New Zealand side was pretty tidy and they came third. Anything can happen in this type of football [with semifinals and a final]. If we do it right, we have a good chance of going through."                                                                                                              The Junior All Whites have pace and creativity but these could be nullified by what could be a poor playing surface at Mangere's Centre Park.

For Graham it will all be part of his football education, which included a stint in Japan before the deal in Italy. It hasn't always been easy but it's about belief. "Growing up in New Zealand you think, 'man, professional players must be amazing," he says. "But when you get there, it's not that amazing. I can actually do this. I think it's harder for kids from New Zealand [to make it]. I remember going to Vicenza on trial and the Italians asked me where I was from. When I told them, they would give me weird looks, almost like, 'what are you doing here? They were quite surprised I could actually play."                                                                                                      The All Whites famously did the same thing at last year's World Cup. The chances of these things happening  again in the future will only improve with the more New Zealanders who play professionally.

The Professionals
* Stefan Marinovich(SV Wehen Wiesbaden, Germany)
The lanky goalkeeper was a product of Wynton Rufer's Wynrs programme and has been in Germany for the past two years.

* Liam Graham(Vicenza Calcio, Italy)
Graham picked up a contract after impressing in an eight-day trial. The defender plays for the primavera side (reserves) in a largely under-20 league.

* James Musa(Wellington Phoenix)
The 18-year-old central defender spent the last season with Wellington as one of their three under-21 players and made three appearances.

* Luke Rowe(Birmingham City, England)
The England-born defender came to the attention of New Zealand Football last year and was last month selected for the All Whites. Highly-rated player at a Premier League club.

* Neko Vujevich (Gold Coast United, Australia)
The 18-year-old defender has played representative football for both New Zealand and Australia but has committed to his country of birth.

* Cory Chettleburg (Sparta Rotterdam, Holland)
Diminutive midfielder who trialled at the Phoenix last winter before joining Rotterdam. Played at the 2007 Under-17 World Cup.

* Jamie Doris(Hibernian, Scotland)
Accomplished midfielder who has been with Hibs for the past two years and still has one year left on his contract.

* Marco Rojas (Melbourne Victory, Australia)
The tricky midfielder was a standout for Wellington last season and was recently recruited by Melbourne. Made his All Whites debut against China last month.
 
 
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As the above article indicates, no doubt they're assembling one of our potentially best-ever group of players (on paper anyway) but my concern remains our team's total lack of build-up games.
They should have named the squad earlier and brought all available players together to train and play friendlies for a few weeks before the tournament. Players from Auckland FC and Waitakere wouldn't have been available I guess but all other Australasian players would have, and possibly some of the US college and Europe and UK-based players. Fringe u-20 players could have been brought in to make up the numbers during camp.
As it is I haven't heard of the NZ team playing any preparation games before the tournament kicks off tomorrow.
And we all know what happened last time in Tahiti against a side (as some of our opponents have done again this time)  which had been together for a year!
Another alternative would have been to play the tournament earlier in the year so it wasn't close to ASB Premiership Finals.
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Big Pete 65 wrote:
As the above article indicates, no doubt they're assembling one of our potentially best-ever group of players (on paper anyway) but my concern remains our team's total lack of build-up games.
They should have named the squad earlier and brought all available players together to train and play friendlies for a few weeks before the tournament. Players from Auckland FC and Waitakere wouldn't have been available I guess but all other Australasian players would have, and possibly some of the US college and Europe and UK-based players. Fringe u-20 players could have been brought in to make up the numbers during camp.
As it is I haven't heard of the NZ team playing any preparation games before the tournament kicks off tomorrow.
And we all know what happened last time in Tahiti against a side (as some of our opponents have done again this time)  which had been together for a year!
Another alternative would have been to play the tournament earlier in the year so it wasn't close to ASB Premiership Finals.


"All pre qualifiers matches finished with no major injuries which is a relief - kickoff 3.30 on Saturday against solomons at central park" Milicich via Twitter
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I watched them play East Coast Bays last night. They were 1-0 up with 10 mins to go when I left.
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But then ECB`s are the top Auckland CLUB side
 
I`m sure it will look different when they take on the Island teams
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ECB Ain't looking to flash atm. Well from what I have seen. And they are my club
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