Legend
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Yipe age 13 is far too late, according to Arsene. Need to start at 7. He should know.

Marquee
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Rumour mill is, the under 17 coach has already basically got his squad lined up for next year and will be using the two year cycle to bring a core group in - eligible players overseas (and in professional environments) effectively told they won't be considered.

And from a different source, the coach admitted to administrators at one of the top clubs outside of Auckland City that he did no watch/stream any of their games during last season and didn't know wny of their players... thus their non-selection.

Was later forced to do a little back tracking when outside pressure was applied, but selected "the wrong players" according to the club, reinforcing his lack of knowledge of the local playing stock.

After the dismal performance of the u17, I am amazed he still holds the role and the above makes it even worse.
WeeNix
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But NZF have the "Whole of Football Plan" in full force! hahaha comical stuff...its absolute bollix. One poor decision by the wrong person making a decision can have serious long term repercussions. Welcome to NZF. Never blame the players blame the clown upstairs. 

Wynton Rufer does a great job - he is very selective with who he works with and he upskills the boys and theres no doubt he produces technically better players, but they have a bit of ability before he gets them. He would be great but he will never work with nzf.

Ole Academy seen by some as Cult attitude not the best. Not sure what its like now. A couple of players have come out of there. But players come out of other places too.

Agree talent has to be identified earlier in this country. That also takes the right people identifying the talent....problem is anyone with half a football brain in this country won't go near NZF or the game here.

The issues run too deep. But we must remember we are only a few small detached islands in the middle of the pacific....Never gonna be world beaters in the world of football. But we can try to improve with the right education with the right educators.

As for the last U17 keeping their job? These guys at NZF all ring fence their positions. No ones going no where. No ones to blame. No Accountability.


WeeNix
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On another note does anyone know of or hear of any boys picking up a trial or a club after the world cup?
Trialist
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Showtime Nixie
But NZF have the "Whole of Football Plan" in full force! hahaha comical stuff...its absolute bollix. One poor decision by the wrong person making a decision can have serious long term repercussions. Welcome to NZF. Never blame the players blame the clown upstairs. 

Wynton Rufer does a great job - he is very selective with who he works with and he upskills the boys and theres no doubt he produces technically better players, but they have a bit of ability before he gets them. He would be great but he will never work with nzf.

Ole Academy seen by some as Cult attitude not the best. Not sure what its like now. A couple of players have come out of there. But players come out of other places too.

Agree talent has to be identified earlier in this country. That also takes the right people identifying the talent....problem is anyone with half a football brain in this country won't go near NZF or the game here.

The issues run too deep. But we must remember we are only a few small detached islands in the middle of the pacific....Never gonna be world beaters in the world of football. But we can try to improve with the right education with the right educators.

As for the last U17 keeping their job? These guys at NZF all ring fence their positions. No ones going no where. No ones to blame. No Accountability.


Trialist
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Showtime Nixie
On another note does anyone know of or hear of any boys picking up a trial or a club after the world cup?
Nicholas Murphy is going to Wellington Phoenix
Starting XI
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Showtime Nixie
On another note does anyone know of or hear of any boys picking up a trial or a club after the world cup?

Just had word that Stipe Ukich is currently over in Croatia training/trialling with the U19's setup for 1.HNL side NK Lokomotiva Zagreb.
Starting XI
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Good in the sense it will get our lads more meaningful matches against quality opposition at youth level. Something we struggle to do when it's not a World Cup year.

Being held yearly potentially means we're looking at a relatively full calendar of fixtures between qualifying and the World Cup proper. Which I guess is a good thing given we're boom or bust for fixtures at this level depending on if it's world cup year or not.

However

It's hard to not look at this and think of how much of a money grab it is.

48 teams is excessive.

Qatar...Well what's that saying 'If I speak, I will be in trouble.'
Marquee
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How did Qatar manage to get in on basically everything.

I mean it's common knowledge they bribed their way to hosting the men's 2022 World Cup, but surely hosting everything else isn't worth doing that all over again is it?
WeeNix
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YoungHeartHM


Good in the sense it will get our lads more meaningful matches against quality opposition at youth level. Something we struggle to do when it's not a World Cup year.

Being held yearly potentially means we're looking at a relatively full calendar of fixtures between qualifying and the World Cup proper. Which I guess is a good thing given we're boom or bust for fixtures at this level depending on if it's world cup year or not.

However

It's hard to not look at this and think of how much of a money grab it is.

48 teams is excessive.

Qatar...Well what's that saying 'If I speak, I will be in trouble.'
To be fair, is the U17 World Cup much of a money-maker? I'd have assumed it was loss-making. The crowds to watch kids football wouldn't be super, and with 48 teams the number of games with little/no crowd would increase. The cost of organising a tournament for 48 squads of 21 (plus a dozen support staff) isn't cheap. Accommodation, security, travel, stadium costs and so forth. For games that might not have four figure attendance. 

The youth tournaments are ostensibly developmental things; I mean, why else would OFC get two spots? With growth rates of teenagers, biennial means you could be simply too small one round, then too old next. This just means fewer kids will miss out on that opportunity for reasons out of their control, like growth spurts etc. Likelihood is, most kids outside 'big' football nations won't have a bigger footballing moment (or any moment for those from some impoverished nations) than a U17 WC; just look at some names in NZ squads over the last decade or so. So I doubt the kids going will have any complaints; couple weeks of schools to focus on football, pride of representing the country etc.

As for Qatar, it's, of course, a bit contentious, but is like the size of Auckland and has a plethora of the most elite training facilities, accommodation and the like. The World Cup has made it a pretty well-equipped place, objectively looking. There are certainly worse places, amenity-wise, a World Cup could be held. 
Marquee
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Love this. More footy to watch.

Qatar paying the bill at a guess whilst Fifa looks at the finances of it. How much tv rights it gets.
Starting XI
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MetalLegNZ
Love this. More footy to watch.

Qatar paying the bill at a guess whilst Fifa looks at the finances of it. How much tv rights it gets.

You do have to wonder if this format gets canned if Qatar realises that no one actually wants to visit or live in Qatar by choice.  

Ive got lots of colleagues and a brother in law who all worked for businesses based there and they are all glad to now be in NZ, UK, Europe etc. 

Not one has a nice world to say outside of tax-free earnings which they are all quite happy to forgo, not to have to be there anymore. Friends from Sri Lanka often comment on how much racism they endured.
WeeNix
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See the Aussie u17 in Switzerland for 2 week camp and games... what are our boys up to?
Legend
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watching_from_far
See the Aussie u17 in Switzerland for 2 week camp and games... what are our boys up to?

Well the FA have more dosh than NZF, plus it's become a real issue now in Aussie - their age group teams failing to qualify for World Cups through AFC.

Is a U17 WC next year, and presumably same AFC U17 WC qualifying tourney.

Since joining AFC 2006, Joeys (Aus U17s) WC record below.
Failed to qualify 5 times. Qualified 3 times, but never past R16.

2007 | did not qualify
2009 | did not qualify
2011 | Round of 16
2013 | did not qualify
2015 | Round of 16
2017 | did not qualify
2019 | Round of 16
2021 | Cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic
2023 | did not qualify
WeeNix
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But what are our boys up to? Playing Xbox at home over school holidays or are they in a camp? 
Starting XI
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watching_from_far
But what are our boys up to? Playing Xbox at home over school holidays or are they in a camp? 

I see the U16 + U19 NZ Secondary Schools teams are over in Aussie at the moment for several games over the course of a week and a half. 

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