All Whites vs Mexico, Confederations Cup | Thur 22 June | 6am | Sochi | SS2

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I have no doubt Tyler will have developed into a more complete player (hopefully winger as it was his best position) as he was still a teen/young adult when he left. Don't get me wrong, I love brockie and his main fault is that he brings nothing to a team if he's not scoring, often detracting from a flowing attack due to a heavy touch and slow pace. I think once Tyler is at the same age as what Brockie was (26/27?) when he hit his rich vein of form for the nix you'll find a superior player with a far larger skill set.

WeeNix
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Although in saying this, Brockie would be ideal for Anthony Hudsons system of anti football/hoofball we played against Russia because he is so oppertunistic.

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I wonder if there's been some sort of slippage between parallel dimensions or something because the Tyler Boyd I remember seems quite different to the Tyler Boyd some other people remember.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

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"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

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Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

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"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

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Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

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"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

So you are using 1 game with 2 goals to go 'He is great'

I could do that with Appiah considering the goals he scored for CCM last year. Logic tells you otherwise.

WeeNix
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Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

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"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

how many of those appearances are starts? maybe a dozen? playing the final 10/5/2 mins of a game shouldnt be held against him stats wise.

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Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

End

"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

Or 14 from 20 in the SSP - all as a teenager. You compare goals + assists per min in the HAL; Kosta for the 'Nix is 180min, WeeMac for the 'Nix is 210min and Boyd 206min.

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Joey Johns wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

End

"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

how many of those appearances are starts? maybe a dozen? playing the final 10/5/2 mins of a game shouldnt be held against him stats wise.

So Boyd, who had most of his appearances as a sub, should not be compared to Brockie, who had more starts and more goals in the same league. Is that what you are telling me here? That in the same league, where Brockie played more and scored more, is inferior to Boyd? Just want to clarify this.
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In the same fudgeing team, Brockie was picked more than Boyd.... but Boyd is the better player?

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Jeff Vader wrote:

In the same fudgeing team, Brockie was picked more than Boyd.... but Boyd is the better player?

Boyd scored as many goals that final season - in 518 less min. Plus Boyd was mostly played on the wings with Ricki (Steyn/Brockie up top) and didn't play under Ernie.
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Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

End

"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

Or 14 from 20 in the SSP - all as a teenager. You compare goals + assists per min in the HAL; Kosta for the 'Nix is 180min, WeeMac for the 'Nix is 210min and Boyd 206min.

WeeMac has never been played in the same sort of role as Boyd or Kosta so I don't think comparing him is much use. Ok, I'll grant that just games alone isn't a good measure, but I  just think that the idea of Boyd has been skewed because he left us when he was in an uncharacteristically good run of form, and because people are over rating the standard of the Portuguese second tier because it's Europe. Kosta's goals to minutes ratio is significantly better from his time as a teenager and one full season of starts where he was widely considered to be a disappointment, so I don't think those numbers convince me either.

I don't think Boyd is bad but I do think he's clearly behind Rojas, Kosta, and Thomas for the AWs and there isn't much between him and the likes of Patterson or Cameron. When you factor in that we don't even play a formation with his preferred position in it and his rumoured attitude concerns I'm not at all fussed that he's not in the AWs. He's hardly the next Wynton or something.

WeeNix
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I honestly believe that current Boyd is more gifted than Brockie, and I have no doubt the reason why brockie was a consistent starter was due to the hope that he would rediscover his rich goal scoring ability he had for one season not due to being technically better than Boyd. I believe that Sighn is a great player, hugely gifted and will no doubt in 2 years be incredible, but atm vinnie lia is a preferential option. That doesnt mean vinnie lia has greater technical ability it just means he's in the coaches good books and has greater experience.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

End

"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

So you are using 1 game with 2 goals to go 'He is great'

I could do that with Appiah considering the goals he scored for CCM last year. Logic tells you otherwise.

Just to prove he uses his left for more than standing.
WeeNix
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Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

End

"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

Or 14 from 20 in the SSP - all as a teenager. You compare goals + assists per min in the HAL; Kosta for the 'Nix is 180min, WeeMac for the 'Nix is 210min and Boyd 206min.

WeeMac has never been played in the same sort of role as Boyd or Kosta so I don't think comparing him is much use. Ok, I'll grant that just games alone isn't a good measure, but I  just think that the idea of Boyd has been skewed because he left us when he was in an uncharacteristically good run of form, and because people are over rating the standard of the Portuguese second tier because it's Europe. Kosta's goals to minutes ratio is significantly better from his time as a teenager and one full season of starts where he was widely considered to be a disappointment, so I don't think those numbers convince me either.

I don't think Boyd is bad but I do think he's clearly behind Rojas, Kosta, and Thomas for the AWs and there isn't much between him and the likes of Patterson or Cameron. When you factor in that we don't even play a formation with his preferred position in it and his rumoured attitude concerns I'm not at all fussed that he's not in the AWs. He's hardly the next Wynton or something.

Tbh I do rate Patterson. I think him, Boyd and Bevan should be the ones fighting for a bench spot. Dont think much or anything of Cameron, but im getting frustrated that Onehunga sports gets more of an AW look in than say Boyd or the midfielders in scandinavea. 

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Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So technical he used his left for standing on only.... or have we forgotten.

He is very much over rated. I seriously doubt Boyd would be banging them in like Brockie. In fact comparing Boyd and Brockie (was it the human donkey?) in the same league Brockie >>>>>> Boyd. 

End

"Just brilliant play there from Boyd" - Ned Zelic

Both his goals in that game were well taken with his left foot: 

BTW, has there been as dominant season in the NZFC/ASBP/SSP as Tyler's last season? 10 goals in 6 games.

In his other 46 games for the first team he scored 2 goals. 

And yeah 10 goals in 6 games is a brilliant return but given his scoring rate before and after you would have to think that was just an incredible run of from rather than a sign that he was genuinely that good. 6 games isn't even half a season.

Or 14 from 20 in the SSP - all as a teenager. You compare goals + assists per min in the HAL; Kosta for the 'Nix is 180min, WeeMac for the 'Nix is 210min and Boyd 206min.

WeeMac has never been played in the same sort of role as Boyd or Kosta so I don't think comparing him is much use. Ok, I'll grant that just games alone isn't a good measure, but I  just think that the idea of Boyd has been skewed because he left us when he was in an uncharacteristically good run of form, and because people are over rating the standard of the Portuguese second tier because it's Europe. Kosta's goals to minutes ratio is significantly better from his time as a teenager and one full season of starts where he was widely considered to be a disappointment, so I don't think those numbers convince me either.

I don't think Boyd is bad but I do think he's clearly behind Rojas, Kosta, and Thomas for the AWs and there isn't much between him and the likes of Patterson or Cameron. When you factor in that we don't even play a formation with his preferred position in it and his rumoured attitude concerns I'm not at all fussed that he's not in the AWs. He's hardly the next Wynton or something.

This only came up as a discussion on the next cab off the rank AWs (I agree that Rojas, Thomas and Kosta are better) and is Jai Ingham better than Boyd - which I think Tyler is. I also think Tyler is better than Cameron and I think Patterson looks decent and similar-ish to Boyd.
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What was Kostas contribution against Mexico? Screwing up a good opportunity? Kosta and Rojas should be looking at the bench and feeling the competition putting the pressure on their place. That is Boyd. Don't think it's Jai Ingham just yet.

WeeNix
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IMO Boyd is so much better than both ingham and Patterson.

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I rate Patterson. But he did come on the park against Russia, fall over the ball and give it away a couple of times. Again should be pressuring the starters

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

Tyler certainly seemed one of our more technical players - but having not sited him for years, its hard to know where he is at comparatively. If he gets loaned out to a prem side as indicated on his clubs page he will certainly have to be looked at.

Can Hudson ignore a player playing in the Portugese top flight?

He seems content ignoring Gleeson, so probably.
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apologies for distracting this from the Boyd/Brockie debate by talking about the game, but do people really think that was a headbutt by Herrera? Like, an actual headbutt?

Edit - Top of the Page, so have a gif of Andy Carroll being Andy Carroll to celebrate

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Frankie Mac wrote:

apologies for distracting this from the Boyd/Brockie debate by talking about the game, but do people really think that was a headbutt by Herrera? Like, an actual headbutt?

Edit - Top of the Page, so have a gif of Andy Carroll being Andy Carroll to celebrate

I don't know about 'real headbutt' but making contact with the head, in any form, is considered a headbutt, and players know that. Can look silly at times, when it's not a Zidane-esque one, but it is what it is.

WeeNix
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ive seen people get red for lesser contact, its more an issue of intent than actual contact in most cases. In saying that, Boxall's tackle was idiotic and Thomas' chimp out directly after to start the conflict really upset our momentum.

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i think it was indicative of our momentum

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Whats all this talk of Boyd -  didnt he have a problem with attitude etc  -  I heard he thought he was too good for everyone else.

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Mexican legend Rafa Marquez who played against the All Whites in Russia and captained his side, has been sanctioned by the US Treasury and the Mexican Attorney General for laundering money for a drug trafficking organization.

It's alleged that Marquez's dealings with drug baron Raul Flores Hernandez stretch back twenty years and that Marquez has been accepting money for his charities and football academies from the drug baron and laundering money for him.

Marquez voluntarily handed himself in to the Mexican Attorney General's office.

He's in deep shark.

The corruption in football knows no bounds.

  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/...

Dropped by his Mexican club pending investigation of the charges.

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Wow. Possibly Mexico's most famous player, too? 

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Rafa Marquez now dropped this week by the Mexican national team pending investigations into the charges against him.

All Whites vs Mexico, Confederations Cup | Thur 22 June | 6am | Sochi | SS2

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