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martinb wrote:

Don't think anyone has gone A-league to EPL? Especially guys, that while good A-league players, weren't the stand out players in their team or league.

A guy like Mooy has almost done it, but he had already played at a high level overseas.

Jedinak spent a fair while in the Championship and Ryan spent time in other European leagues. 

Yeah, apart from City to City transfers (Caceres, Brattan, Mooy) and youth transfers (Grimmer), don’t think anyone’s made the jump properly. Most Aussies going to the prem join in their early teens from state league clubs

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Graham Arnold said he knocked back coaching the All Whites to focus %100 on SFC.

Graham Arnold was standing on the middle of Allianz Stadium on his first day as coach of Sydney FC. He had an endearingly gruff and no-nonsense demeanour as he outlined, arms defiantly akimbo, what he wanted to do now that he was in charge of a high-profile franchise that was ridiculed for having more meaningless bling than trophy-winning zing.

He talked a good game. Gravel in his guts, spit in his eye. Bring on the scrutiny, he said. The pressure. The spotlight. The responsibility. Bring on the expectations of The Cove and the demands of the fine-suited gentlemen signing his pay cheques. Bring on the death of Bling FC in favour of a more robust franchise. He wanted attacking and attractive football. He wanted a siege mentality. He wanted to turn Sydney FC into the biggest and most successful organisation in the country.

“A wise man once said to me, you have to be careful what you wish for,” Arnold said on day one of a tenure that has completely transformed the club. “I’ve always wanted to coach this club, from the day the A-League started. I like ­adversity. I like challenges. If I didn’t like challenges, I probably wouldn’t have come here. ­Newcastle showed interest. The New Zealand national team, I could have gone there. I’m here to do a job. Bring it on.”

How can the Socceroos job go to anyone else? Former Test rugby league mentor Bob Fulton once stood in the dressing room at Brookvale Oval and spoke about coaches being slaves to form as much as players. You could be in great coaching form, he said. And you could be out of form, too. ­Either of those phases rubbed off on the players. Arnold is in the middle of a purple patch. He’s been good to every word he uttered about Sydney FC. We don’t need to list the club’s recent achievements. Google it. Sven Goran ­Eriksson? Guus Hiddink? Why bother? Arnold deserves the chance to do for his country what he’s done for his club.

Thus far, FFA’s process has amounted to naming a selection panel nearly as long as the list of applicants. The queue to replace Ange Postecoglou seems to include every unemployed coach in world soccer except Postecoglou himself. The FFA cannot go wrong. A Kevin Muscat or Josep Gombau or Jurgen Klinsmann or Marcelo Bielsa or Gianni De Biasi or Hiddink or Eriksson are all going to do a serviceable job. ­Eriksson? He has a formidable ­resume and well-stacked trophy cabinet. And if he really does want the job, he’s likely to pursue it with great vigour.

Faria Alam, a former Football Association boss he had an affair with, once told an English newspaper: “At tea time, he offered to give me a tour of the house, which is huge, and we ended up making love on the stairs ... He pulled me back to him and tore off my jeans. It was incredibly erotic and very quick, but we both enjoyed it. He was so forceful I grazed my knees. He was very nonchalant but I was taken back with desire.” She said his approach to the art of wooing had amounted to him telling her: “When a man wants something, he goes and gets it. I want you.”

How much do the Erikssons and Klinsmanns really want to coach the Socceroos? Are they interested because they can’t get a World Cup gig for anyone else? It has nothing to do with appointing an Australian just because he’s an Australian. We’re not that juvenile and jingoistic. But Arnold just seems to pass every test there is, from the pub test to the test of recent accomplishments. His application just needs to mirror the promises he made to Sydney FC when they gave him the reins. The promises he has since fulfilled.

“When you say what is success, success for me is attractive football,” ­he said on day one at Allianz Stadium. “Success is putting bums on seats and filling the stadium. Exciting football. Exciting players. Attacking football. High pressure. A possession-based game. A modern football game. We have to believe. We have to show that we believe. We have to send the message to our supporters to believe in that and come with us. The only way of doing that is getting success on the football pitch. It will be made clear to the players that I haven’t come here to be happy with mediocrity. I’ve come here to achieve success.”

Why Graham Arnold must be our next Socceroos coach

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Royz wrote:

Graham Arnold said he knocked back coaching the All Whites to focus %100 on SFC.

Graham Arnold was standing on the middle of Allianz Stadium on his first day as coach of Sydney FC. He had an endearingly gruff and no-nonsense demeanour as he outlined, arms defiantly akimbo, what he wanted to do now that he was in charge of a high-profile franchise that was ridiculed for having more meaningless bling than trophy-winning zing.

He talked a good game. Gravel in his guts, spit in his eye. Bring on the scrutiny, he said. The pressure. The spotlight. The responsibility. Bring on the expectations of The Cove and the demands of the fine-suited gentlemen signing his pay cheques. Bring on the death of Bling FC in favour of a more robust franchise. He wanted attacking and attractive football. He wanted a siege mentality. He wanted to turn Sydney FC into the biggest and most successful organisation in the country.

“A wise man once said to me, you have to be careful what you wish for,” Arnold said on day one of a tenure that has completely transformed the club. “I’ve always wanted to coach this club, from the day the A-League started. I like ­adversity. I like challenges. If I didn’t like challenges, I probably wouldn’t have come here. ­Newcastle showed interest. The New Zealand national team, I could have gone there. I’m here to do a job. Bring it on.”

How can the Socceroos job go to anyone else? Former Test rugby league mentor Bob Fulton once stood in the dressing room at Brookvale Oval and spoke about coaches being slaves to form as much as players. You could be in great coaching form, he said. And you could be out of form, too. ­Either of those phases rubbed off on the players. Arnold is in the middle of a purple patch. He’s been good to every word he uttered about Sydney FC. We don’t need to list the club’s recent achievements. Google it. Sven Goran ­Eriksson? Guus Hiddink? Why bother? Arnold deserves the chance to do for his country what he’s done for his club.

Thus far, FFA’s process has amounted to naming a selection panel nearly as long as the list of applicants. The queue to replace Ange Postecoglou seems to include every unemployed coach in world soccer except Postecoglou himself. The FFA cannot go wrong. A Kevin Muscat or Josep Gombau or Jurgen Klinsmann or Marcelo Bielsa or Gianni De Biasi or Hiddink or Eriksson are all going to do a serviceable job. ­Eriksson? He has a formidable ­resume and well-stacked trophy cabinet. And if he really does want the job, he’s likely to pursue it with great vigour.

Faria Alam, a former Football Association boss he had an affair with, once told an English newspaper: “At tea time, he offered to give me a tour of the house, which is huge, and we ended up making love on the stairs ... He pulled me back to him and tore off my jeans. It was incredibly erotic and very quick, but we both enjoyed it. He was so forceful I grazed my knees. He was very nonchalant but I was taken back with desire.” She said his approach to the art of wooing had amounted to him telling her: “When a man wants something, he goes and gets it. I want you.”

How much do the Erikssons and Klinsmanns really want to coach the Socceroos? Are they interested because they can’t get a World Cup gig for anyone else? It has nothing to do with appointing an Australian just because he’s an Australian. We’re not that juvenile and jingoistic. But Arnold just seems to pass every test there is, from the pub test to the test of recent accomplishments. His application just needs to mirror the promises he made to Sydney FC when they gave him the reins. The promises he has since fulfilled.

“When you say what is success, success for me is attractive football,” ­he said on day one at Allianz Stadium. “Success is putting bums on seats and filling the stadium. Exciting football. Exciting players. Attacking football. High pressure. A possession-based game. A modern football game. We have to believe. We have to show that we believe. We have to send the message to our supporters to believe in that and come with us. The only way of doing that is getting success on the football pitch. It will be made clear to the players that I haven’t come here to be happy with mediocrity. I’ve come here to achieve success.”

Why Graham Arnold must be our next Socceroos coach

This was fairly well established in 2014.

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martinb wrote:

Don't think anyone has gone A-league to EPL? Especially guys, that while good A-league players, weren't the stand out players in their team or league.

A guy like Mooy has almost done it, but he had already played at a high level overseas.

Jedinak spent a fair while in the Championship and Ryan spent time in other European leagues. 

Mooy also signed to an EPL club but was immediately loaned to a championship club for a season
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Declan is keen on Ramon, spent yesterday arguing with people about it on twitter

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Yakcall wrote:

Declan is keen on Ramon, spent yesterday arguing with people about it on twitter

Is he keen on coaching Auckland City?!

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Declan & Ramon .... v everybody else.

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Is this cause Ramon plays his kids?

A rather strange new marriage of convenience

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Is this cause Ramon plays his kids?

A rather strange new marriage of convenience

Not marriage, engagement. They've been bff's for years.

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JamesBo wrote:

All Whites coach to be named in the New Year

NZF has appointed Global Elite Sports to find the new coach 

could have saved some money by picking up the phone and giving Ramon a call

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I really doubt that Ramon will get the job. I think he would do an OK job but I doubt that he will be in NZFs plans. He has done great things with ACity for years but has never been approached to coach at for  level by NZF.

I suspect that at this very moment NZF is placing adverts in the job section of the Huddersfield Post and the Bristol Times. Martin will go for another Brit...sigh!!!!  Another Brit who will promise us modern football ......and then under the first sign of pressure will revert to that age old British standard of "hoof it down field to the big guy""

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Jeff Vader wrote:

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Any word on how Andreas Heraf is working out? Would seem to tick a lot of boxes.

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/heraf-confirmed-as-tec...

Could he do his current job as well as coach the AWs? 

If you were a betting man, this would be the option you would back. Saves a wage immediately and its not like the AWs play much.

He certainly sounds impressive. Anyone on this forum met him or had any dealings with him? 

Recently questioned Rob about him, he seems very well respected in NZF. 

Quick summary: Has a good deal of international experience, both as a player (quite a few caps for Austria) and as a manager (pretty much every Austrian age level side - mostly overachieving, coached players such as David Alaba). Spent most of his playing career in Austria reaching a European final with Rapid Wien, managed mostly in the Austrian Bundesliga with moderate success.

And a known quantity, having spent enough time here to start gaining some respect. Someone who's on record as loving NZ, knows what he'd be getting into if he were to take over the AWs, and is probably a better option than someone we might talk a good game with their CV, but then not deliver. 

Anyone know if Heraf is interested in the gig? He ticks so many boxes he's got to be a front runner. Or an automatic reject as he's much too qualified. And he's not English with a history of coaching failed teams and playing hoofball.  

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So, it won't be Heraf after all. He's just landed another gig. With help from Anthony Hudson. But Heraf will be responsible for finding the next AWs coach. Interesting days... 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/10...

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Maybe we should all start a campaign to get Ramon

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Rado Vidosic....

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It's a race between Andy Martin and David Dome to see who can become the most hated man in NZ football

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Ramon probably not going to happen

"Tribulietx is understood to be completing his Pro Licence in May. It is understood one NZF official has already told Tribulietx that his lack of a Pro Licence will all but rule him out of the running."

If so, that is horrendous.  Are we even going to play between now and May?

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Apparently good chance AWs have secured a friendly(ies) for the March window. 

However to not include Ramon amongst the applicants, just because he maybe a few months late completing his pro licence would be petty.

That's not saying he's the best person for the job - being a big fish in the tiny NZ football pond won't mean that much to senior players like Reid, Smith, Wood (not that they would have heard of Hudson before he was appointed). 

Also who know's who else is out there in the big football world that is going to put their hand up - just that there is hardly a rapid urgency to appoint a coach.

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I would bet plenty of money we won't see Reid or Smith in the March Window, so I wouldn't be too concerned about those two 

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Not sure how I feel about it all to be honest.

The problem is, our budget will be limited and I consider the coach won't make a huge difference at the end of the day.

That's not to say I don't want us picking the best eligible players (without playing favorites or putting people in naughty corners) and playing attractive football...I just feel like no matter who the coach is we've got few chances of going through again.

But aren't Oceania playing off against the fifth best team in Asian qualifying next World Cup?

Surely that means we have some chance?

It could be Australia that we face in the play-off...that'd be awesome!!!!

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aitkenmike wrote:

Ramon probably not going to happen

"Tribulietx is understood to be completing his Pro Licence in May. It is understood one NZF official has already told Tribulietx that his lack of a Pro Licence will all but rule him out of the running."

If so, that is horrendous.  Are we even going to play between now and May?

Well, it worked out okay when they appointed Ricki as AW's coach in February 2005 and Ricki didn't complete his UEFA Pro badge until June 2008, more than three years after he became All Whites coach. 

When Ricki Herbert was appointed All Whites coach, like Ramon he had never coached a professional club side (Ricki had coached NZ domestic club sides 1990 - 1999).
It was 22 months later that he was appointed Knights coach in the A-League and went on the coach the Nix, So Ricki had a similar background to Ramon before becoming national coach except he had been coach of national youth sides 1999 - 2003 and AW's assistant coach 2003 - 2005.

If NZF feel Ramon lacks national team coaching experience , then put him in charge of some national youth sides, the Olympic side and give him an AW's assistant coach gig - that could be attractive enough to entice him away from Auckland City? 

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Not sure how I feel about it all to be honest.

The problem is, our budget will be limited and I consider the coach won't make a huge difference at the end of the day.

That's not to say I don't want us picking the best eligible players (without playing favorites or putting people in naughty corners) and playing attractive football...I just feel like no matter who the coach is we've got few chances of going through again.

But aren't Oceania playing off against the fifth best team in Asian qualifying next World Cup?

Surely that means we have some chance?

It could be Australia that we face in the play-off...that'd be awesome!!!!

Oops, thissed it when I meant to quote. I thought the intercontinental playoffs haven't been drawn yet. It could still be any one of the other 3 confederations
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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Not sure how I feel about it all to be honest.

The problem is, our budget will be limited and I consider the coach won't make a huge difference at the end of the day.

That's not to say I don't want us picking the best eligible players (without playing favorites or putting people in naughty corners) and playing attractive football...I just feel like no matter who the coach is we've got few chances of going through again.

But aren't Oceania playing off against the fifth best team in Asian qualifying next World Cup?

Surely that means we have some chance?

It could be Australia that we face in the play-off...that'd be awesome!!!!

Oops, thissed it when I meant to quote. I thought the intercontinental playoffs haven't been drawn yet. It could still be any one of the other 3 confederations

It seems to rotate though in a regular fashion doesn't it?

It seems most likely that we'll play AFC opposition.

FIFA have decided to keep the same qualifying format for 2022 as 2018.

Only Oceania, AFC, CONCACAF and CONMEBOL take part in inter-continental  play-offs

For the 2010, 2014 and 2018 tournaments the inter-continental play-offs have rotated in a regular fashion with no Confederation playing another Confederation twice.

We've had a play-off vs. AFC, CONCACAF and CONMEBOL the last three World Cups.

Seems only right that we play an AFC opponent for the 2022 tournament.  

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Not sure how I feel about it all to be honest.

The problem is, our budget will be limited and I consider the coach won't make a huge difference at the end of the day.

That's not to say I don't want us picking the best eligible players (without playing favorites or putting people in naughty corners) and playing attractive football...I just feel like no matter who the coach is we've got few chances of going through again.

But aren't Oceania playing off against the fifth best team in Asian qualifying next World Cup?

Surely that means we have some chance?

It could be Australia that we face in the play-off...that'd be awesome!!!!

Oops, thissed it when I meant to quote. I thought the intercontinental playoffs haven't been drawn yet. It could still be any one of the other 3 confederations

It seems to rotate though in a regular fashion doesn't it?

It seems most likely that we'll play AFC opposition.

FIFA have decided to keep the same qualifying format for 2022 as 2018.

Only Oceania, AFC, CONCACAF and CONMEBOL take part in inter-continental  play-offs

For the 2010, 2014 and 2018 tournaments the inter-continental play-offs have rotated in a regular fashion with no Confederation playing another Confederation twice.

We've had a play-off vs. AFC, CONCACAF and CONMEBOL the last three World Cups.

Seems only right that we play an AFC opponent for the 2022 tournament.  

Pretty sure it's a random draw and that's just the way it's panned out. It might be rigged but in theory it could be anyone

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j...

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It's random. Drawn next December

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Does seem as though NZF has ended up underwriting the next stage of Anthony Hudson's career. Without a lot to show for it.   

https://in-the-back-of-the.net/2018/01/02/the-huds...

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No secret that All Whites gig was always just a stepping stone for Hudson; taking some good men good with him hurts, ouch.

I just wish NZF would progress their thinking. Why appoint a coach who will try to qualify the AWs for a WC cycle and then inevitably move on to the next gig, regardless of whether they qualify or not? This is not what football in NZ needs!

How about a coaching brains trust (Technical Director and coaching staff of 17s, 20s, 23s and AWs) who want to develop Kiwi players from U17 through to All Whites; and inspire youngsters through their teams' play?

This is a long term FA goal; and as such needs go be a group of coaches who have been here a while and will remain here a while.

I hope Heraf as Technical Director wants this too, but he's only been here 2 minutes and decided he's the man for the the top female coaching role in the country, so we will have to wait and see.

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I think your idea, or concept, has merit. Hindsight is a fine thing but here we appointed a coach who was young and made no attempt to hide the fact he was ambitious. He was always going to move on, if he was even mildly successful then our best hope might have been keeping him for a second 4 year cycle. He did leave us and also took with him 1 [and maybe 2] of the next group that had been internally groomed to coach our national team/s. As an aside, those 2 Bazley and Eblem had come to NZ as players and graduated into coaching so weren't strictly NZ grown or developed [but certainly given opportunity].

I like the idea of a technical director/head coach/whatever title you like that oversees a group of coaches and coaching teams that look after our age group and senior sides.

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You can bet you ass there will be a clause in the next mans contract about talent poaching.

(Mind you, this is Andy Martin)

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While I understand the hate for Hudson, I think it is understandable that he moved into coaching a week to week team. Hudson is young, and if you take him at his word he wanted more time with players to see what he could acheive.

Also on Kim and Bazeley, they accepted the offers put to them so can't all be lumped at Hudson.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

You can bet you ass there will be a clause in the next mans contract about talent poaching.

(Mind you, this is Andy Martin)

This is the organisation that pays Sky to show the ISPS Handa Prem and gave them the rights to all the video... I don't think they will get the next contract right for the new manager.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

You can bet you ass there will be a clause in the next mans contract about talent poaching.

(Mind you, this is Andy Martin)

how would they actually enforce that?

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Its what generally happens with coaching changes anyway isn't it?  The departing coach takes his coaching team with him to the next gig. What makes this a little harder to accept is that Hudson's coaching team were the ones he picked up here, not from his Bahrain or earlier jobs.

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[quote=Jeff Vader]

You can bet you ass there will be a clause in the next mans contract about talent poaching.

(Mind you, this is Andy Martin)

how would they actually enforce that?

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Lawyering up

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Maybe you guys are right that it is unenforceable. I can certainly understand that.

If I were NZF, I would be saying to the guys they put in the roles “we are investing in you and helping your profile, we don’t expect you to run off in a hurry” (and again, I understand that it’s football and that is an absurd position to take so it’s more wishful thinking)

At the end of the day, NZF have to protect their coaching stocks. How do they do it because they cannot allow this to happen again. We are decimated to the point were we have to genuinely ask “what is the next attractive option?” I can think of 1, but not 3. If anyone else has 3, I’d love to hear them

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