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2016 All Whites Friendlies

About four months until the All Whites will have the chance to play more friendlies.

There is a FIFA international window 21 - 29 March 2016 with two match days:

http://es.fifa.com/mm/Document/WorldFootball/Calen...

OFC Nations Cup is 28 May - 11 June 2016

NZF could also arrange friendlies in May outside any FIFA window (vs. Pacific Island teams / Asian teams?).

A-League Final is May 1 so all Wellington Phoenix players will be available for any friendlies or camps in May or earlier depending on when the Phoenix are eliminated.

The FIFA March 2016 window would see the Phoenix losing several players for two matches - 20 March home to Perth and 28 March away to Melbourne City. After that the Phoenix have just two more regular season games (April 2 and 10).

The last English Championship fixtures are on May 7 (Wood, Smith, Cameron, Tzanev) three weeks ahead of the OFC Nations Cup.

Last League 2 (Oxford Utd) fixtures are May 7 (Crocombe)

The last EPL fixtures are May 15 (Reid)

Last St Mirren fixture, Scottish Div. One is April 31 (Howieson)

Last Greek fixtures (PAS Giannina) April 16 (Tzimopoulos)

Last Dutch Eredivisie games are May 7 (Thomas)

The last Swiss fixtures are May 24 (Rojas)

The South African League finishes May 21 (Brockie, Boxall)

Last Unterhaching, Germany fixture is May 21 (Marinovic)

Scandinavian leagues start early April (Keat, Henderson)

Players available for All Whites friendlies in May:

Moss, Smeltz, Barbarouses, Doyle, Fenton, McGlinchey, Roux, Reid, Tzimopoulos, Thomas, Wood, Smith, Cameron, Howieson, Crocombe, Tzanev, Payne, Wynn, Brotherton, Hudson-Wihongi, Lewis

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So I guess we will be playing Asian teams agains as Concacaf and Conmebol have WC Qualifiers in March. Maybe an Europe side?

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Argie96 wrote:

So I guess we will be playing Asian teams agains as Concacaf and Conmebol have WC Qualifiers in March. Maybe an Europe side?

The good thing is that 24 European Championship qualifying teams will be after friendlies plus the ones who didn't qualify will be wanting to keep their hand in during the long break before their World Cup qualifiers start in September.

NZ vs. Netherlands

Both teams need help !!!

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Instead of travelling to Oman/Ubekezstan (sp) - The All Whites could pencil in at least 5 Oceania based games this year.

1. vs Phoenix, 2. Auckland City, 3. ASB All Stars (NZAsb)

Why we don't have a Bledisloe vs the best Asian team - 4. Socceroos,  every year is criminal and needs "Trade fixing",

Keep the Korean and Japanese trade games going if possible.  (South African game was also cool "Tri Nations?"

5. Fiji - who will be looking for Olympic Games.

With trade hubs and transport/EPL access in mind.

1. Auckland/Sydney - State team or A-League Champ, or Olyroos U23 - easier to access than kasblasikstan and probably better quality.

2. Singapore - National team, U23, S-league team.

3. Tokyo - J League/Japan...

4. Dubai - Arabic team of choice. UAE are a good side.

5. London - Wales/Scots/Eng U20

= 10 games per year - how many did we play this year?

Start the year with Oceania based games and players - stand outs go to Singapore in March with European ring ins, May - into Toyko/China, Dubai and London last (Sept) as many overseas players want to attend preseason with their clubs, being in the Northern Hemisphere may help the likes of Reid and Smith, Championship teams may want a pre-season game vs All Whites - still leaves Nov.

Of course injuries and Hudson's plans about players can add and subtract personnel.

When all is said and done - All Whites fans would like a few more home games - I am sure they would want full internationals - but - it is along way to come and expensive - and we have professional clubs/Australia on our doorstep.

I believe Japan has played Auckland City as a warm up game in the past - All Whites/NZA-league should do the same.

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GK wrote:

Instead of travelling to Oman/Ubekezstan (sp) - The All Whites could pencil in at least 5 Oceania based games this year.

1. vs Phoenix, 2. Auckland City, 3. ASB All Stars (NZAsb)

Why we don't have a Bledisloe vs the best Asian team - 4. Socceroos,  every year is criminal and needs "Trade fixing",

Keep the Korean and Japanese trade games going if possible.  (South African game was also cool "Tri Nations?"

5. Fiji - who will be looking for Olympic Games.

With trade hubs and transport/EPL access in mind.

1. Auckland/Sydney - State team or A-League Champ, or Olyroos U23 - easier to access than kasblasikstan and probably better quality.

2. Singapore - National team, U23, S-league team.

3. Tokyo - J League/Japan...

4. Dubai - Arabic team of choice. UAE are a good side.

5. London - Wales/Scots/Eng U20

= 10 games per year - how many did we play this year?

Start the year with Oceania based games and players - stand outs go to Singapore in March with European ring ins, May - into Toyko/China, Dubai and London last (Sept) as many overseas players want to attend preseason with their clubs, being in the Northern Hemisphere may help the likes of Reid and Smith, Championship teams may want a pre-season game vs All Whites - still leaves Nov.

Of course injuries and Hudson's plans about players can add and subtract personnel.

When all is said and done - All Whites fans would like a few more home games - I am sure they would want full internationals - but - it is along way to come and expensive - and we have professional clubs/Australia on our doorstep.

I believe Japan has played Auckland City as a warm up game in the past - All Whites/NZA-league should do the same.

You know how we had all that eligibility drama earlier last year? 

I reckon we could play some of the Olympic teams who are going to the Olympics as warm up games, not just Fiji, but others as well, but strictly for our U-23s. Possibly use the U-23s to play championship teams for pre-season, but only U-23s, and the rest of the windows can focus on the national team. 

I know funds and that come into it, but I think the All Whites would need to be playing 2 international games per window now. I only say this because Hudson has had enough time in camp shaping the squad and that. 

We are approaching the Oceania Nations cup, so its all about match time as the games will be like literally two whole days between each other. Something our All Whites aren't exactly used to considering back in November 2014, they played well against China, but completely lost the plot against Thailand. 

Obviously in preparation for the OFC Nations cup, Hudson would be looking at playing Oceania opposition. 

I reckon in the March window, we could have two games, one possibly against a team from the another region and one against and Island team at home. Then before the Nations cup, maybe if NZFootball can, they could fit in another game against one of the Island teams. I know this is outside the international window, but we managed to do this before the Horror in Honiara. Two games just before the nations cup 2012 against Honduras and El Salvador. 

But yeah, I like the idea of all the options provided as those teams would be looking for games, but I reckon if they are not Senior Men International sides, those should be delegated to our U-23s to play. The rest of the windows can be looked upon for the Senior Mens side. 

That way people will stop complaining about Hudson picking kids as they would have some decent international experience, but not full. 

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WE could play against our discards XI. That would make a nice strong opposition.

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Its not a case of who we want to play, but who wants to play us.

We don't attract good teams. We are from a different confederation, travel is an issue and we hardly excite fan bases. From a foreign team perspective, is there really much difference between playing us and Fiji for example??

Our best bet, qualify for the confed cup and use that as a real test of where we are at and going and try to create momentum around future fixtures through that.

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What kills me is that we have a country not far from us called Australia, can't Hudson try to organise something across  the ditch...

a friendly game? doesn't have to include there overseas players. It's just crazy that the AW have to travel to far away places.

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Australia does not play many friendlies, and the ones that they do are generally played in Europe.

The Asia confed has game after game because of its size to find qualifiers for all its relevant tournaments.... another reason to join. Guaranteed games every window.

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It seems odd that NZF can not get a schedule together a year ahead of time like rugby and hockey can. 

AW need to go to as many tournaments as will have us (eg in UAE),  - even organize a Oceania tournie with Fiji and Solomans, in Auckland, as last resort.

If Hudson is right, (from his rant article), and South Korea, or even the dodgy North want a game, lets get on the plan in March.

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Maybe wrong thread but...

I just wish someone would ask NZF what their vision is around the elite men's teams.

It appears to me that if the vision is "going to world cups" then we'll forever be in this cycle of scratching around for opponents in beyween OFC qualifiers, Confeds Cup etc. what games we do play will be overseas and our AWs will have as much brand recognition, sponsorship dollars etc as our tennis players who only play here once a year. Incidentally if you want a hard sport them tennis is the hardest in the world- you don't make a living unless you are in the top 150. It's a pyramid scheme for Novak and Roger. 

Or you could have the vision of an  AWs side that joins Asia, plays more meaningful matches, probably doesn't play at as many world cups (although I reckon our only hope is the Asian playoff anyway...) but has a profile, a purpose, a following.

For me this Hudson and lack of games saga has just answered what confederation we should be in. Then this thread changes from "friendly" discussion to "WC qualies" and Asian Cup discussion. 

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I suppose everyone would like to be playing in every window and giving our team time together to give us the best chance of qualifying, but don't we have to cut our cloth to suit? If we simply don't have the money to fund that footballing profile, what can you do?

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Will Riera get a call up?

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some interesting ideas here:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/760...

The top two would be interesting

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List of international friendlies scheduled for this year:

http://www.livefootball.com/football/intl/friendly...

If Bangladesh can score a game against UAE, one of the best Asian sides, on March 20, then why can't we?

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

List of international friendlies scheduled for this year:

http://www.livefootball.com/football/intl/friendly...

If Bangladesh can score a game against UAE, one of the best Asian sides, on March 20, then why can't we?

Because FIFA won't let them play 2 games on one day ;)
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So no friendly in march, that sucks. Would have prefer to play against Guam

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logistics I guess..and cost. Nothing beats game time.
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On top of the issues NZF go on about, I do wonder how much our FIFA ranking is hurting our ability to get friendlies:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25134584

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Wasn't the contract with the pfa to have a friendly in this window?

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Bullion wrote:

On top of the issues NZF go on about, I do wonder how much our FIFA ranking is hurting our ability to get friendlies:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25134584

That's only really relevant for the top countries in the world. Also explains why Belgium aren't playing games in the window.

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In lieu of a game a 2 week training camp in Oz to prepare for PNG. Bet it won't be in Darwin.

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Presume most of the top European players won't bother coming back just for a training camp?

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EPL finishes on 16 May. Nations Cup is from 29 May. So camp will be much shorter for those in Europe.  Probably 9 days

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TV wrote:
Honiara 2012

One saving grace is that we get 3 days rest between games instead of 1 day.

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How big are the squads? Can we take 22/23?
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TV wrote:
How big are the squads? Can we take 22/23?

How many pitches are being used?

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2 pitches. I think you can take up to 23. We did last time.

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We took some beauts! Tim Myers
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Moss marinovic gleeson roux fenton boxall smith tzimipoulos reid wynne doyle tuiloma payne keat hudson-wihongi mcglinchey rojas thomas barbarouses wood smeltz boyd & brockie. So damn light in midfield
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What is the logic in having this in Australia?

If you can't be arsed having a game here then at least have the training camp here, so I can go and watch it with my daughter

If some smart arse raises heat, then have it in Papua New Guinea. I am sure the accomodation costs will be cheaper and the overall environment more similar to what we will be facing shortly 

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What is the logic in having this in Australia?

If you can't be arsed having a game here then at least have the training camp here, so I can go and watch it with my daughter

If some smart arse raises heat, then have it in Papua New Guinea. I am sure the accomodation costs will be cheaper and the overall environment more similar to what we will be facing shortly 

Accommodation in PNG isn't particularly cheap - probably about the same sort of price as the equivalent accommodation in Aus, if not more expensive. Plus I'd say that logistically Australia is just easier - less transferring flights, more options for accommodation and facilities, no visas required for NZ citizens, and yes, closer in climate than Auckland would be.
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TV wrote:
Moss marinovic gleeson roux fenton boxall smith tzimipoulos reid wynne doyle tuiloma payne keat hudson-wihongi mcglinchey rojas thomas barbarouses wood smeltz boyd & brockie.

So damn light in midfield

Good squad but it needs more Moses Dyer

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Argie96 wrote:

TV wrote:
Moss marinovic gleeson roux fenton boxall smith tzimipoulos reid wynne doyle tuiloma payne keat hudson-wihongi mcglinchey rojas thomas barbarouses wood smeltz boyd & brockie.

So damn light in midfield

Good squad but it needs more Moses Dyer

Doubt Keat will get in the squad, Hudson just doesn't seem to have him on the radar. maybe Dyer can take his place
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What is the logic in having this in Australia?

If you can't be arsed having a game here then at least have the training camp here, so I can go and watch it with my daughter

If some smart arse raises heat, then have it in Papua New Guinea. I am sure the accomodation costs will be cheaper and the overall environment more similar to what we will be facing shortly 

Accommodation in PNG isn't particularly cheap - probably about the same sort of price as the equivalent accommodation in Aus, if not more expensive. Plus I'd say that logistically Australia is just easier - less transferring flights, more options for accommodation and facilities, no visas required for NZ citizens, and yes, closer in climate than Auckland would be.

Assumed it would be dirt cheap but fair enough. Will take it off my holiday list if it's pricey

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Argie96 wrote:

So no friendly in march, that sucks. Would have prefer to play against Guam

More ammunition for Hudson. This lot couldn't organise a Subbuteo game. But what are the chances that the admin officials all travel business class or first class. This same scenario is just so typical - thinks of the warm up games before that Mexico match over there.

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Argie96 wrote:

TV wrote:
Moss marinovic gleeson roux fenton boxall smith tzimipoulos reid wynne doyle tuiloma payne keat hudson-wihongi mcglinchey rojas thomas barbarouses wood smeltz boyd & brockie.

So damn light in midfield

Good squad but it needs more Moses Dyer

Doubt Keat will get in the squad, Hudson just doesn't seem to have him on the radar. maybe Dyer can take his place

I really hope he doesn't. Not only he was one of the worst players in the U20 WC but failed to get a gig in summer football. I think Hudson prefers Clayton Lewis.

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What is the logic in having this in Australia?

If you can't be arsed having a game here then at least have the training camp here, so I can go and watch it with my daughter

If some smart arse raises heat, then have it in Papua New Guinea. I am sure the accomodation costs will be cheaper and the overall environment more similar to what we will be facing shortly 

Accommodation in PNG isn't particularly cheap - probably about the same sort of price as the equivalent accommodation in Aus, if not more expensive. Plus I'd say that logistically Australia is just easier - less transferring flights, more options for accommodation and facilities, no visas required for NZ citizens, and yes, closer in climate than Auckland would be.

Assumed it would be dirt cheap but fair enough. Will take it off my holiday list if it's pricey

Yeah it's nowhere near as cheap as you would think it would be. The hotels in Moresby mainly cater to mining types so the prices reflect the big expense accounts there. Accommodation out in the wops in guest houses is cheaper but wouldn't work for a football team
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Can confirm accommodation is really expensive in PNG. Looked at going over for it and it's about 250 a night. Also imagine they can get some full games against local side in Queenslands.

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