R2 vs Sydney FC | Sun 20th Oct | 8:00pm | SS7

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Bullion wrote:

Anyone pissed a little with Sky coverage. End of the game, cuts straight away to some filler show on Wembley and no interviews or analysis (not even a graphic of the score with stats).

BT Sport does the same here in the UK.

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dunnix wrote:

valeo wrote:

asmodeus_82 wrote:

valeo wrote:

Royz wrote:

I'm concerned Nix are going to be a good side and I wont have anything to moan about.

Is someone editing your posts or

For me, I didn't expect much results wise out of this season and these perfomances have been above my initial expectations. That's all I can ask of this team; of which, most have never played in the A-League.

I expect Cacace to be out for 2 weeks. In positive news, Talay indicated that Hooper would be avaliable come round 3, pending fitness.

Why two weeks? It was just a bad/clumsy challenge. Surely the regular one match punishment for a red would be sufficient?

Sure, but this is us; we'll get the shark end of the stick

If it does end up being a large amount of time out, do we risk appealing? Clearly there was no malice in the tackle, but I wouldn't bank on that lessening the punishment. If we lose the appeal, does it add a match or two onto the total sentence, or am I making that up??

I vaguely remember a similar situation last year where we appealed and no further ban was added, despite us failing in that appeal. Am I making this up and/or crazy?

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Mandi had his ban reduced from 3 matches to two last year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/109829330/wellington-phoenix-star-mandis-ban-reduced-to-two-weeks?rm=m

Both looked bad. Wouldn't surprise if Cacace got 2 weeks also. Not intentional but was nasty.

Shoe foot other - Nix fans would be baying for blood.

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I thought we played excellently. Especially when our full backs got the ball with space to run into which caused them slot of problems. Every time Ball got the ball, he tore them apart and I can’t wait to see another 2 seasons from him. Sotirio made some decent cutbacks, one of which lead to our goal, but other than that didn’t do all too much. Our core (Steinmann, Rufer, DeVere and Taylor) where outstanding during Defense and caused Sydney a lot of issues when going through the middle. Marinovic made some good saves and I feel is a just as good as Kurto. Sydney couldn’t score off an open play, probably because our central area was so solid, and we played consistory well I thought. Davila was also very good, even though he kept popping in and out of the game, yet able to make the most tackles in the game, and of course, scoring our goal. Sydney got 2 Jammy goals (Grants was lovely, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t Jammy), and couldn’t score off open play. Sydneys attack was non existent for the most part, and when they did get involved they where woeful. Cacaces red Card was, as much as I hate to admit it, a red card, but not more than one week like some of you are saying, I personally think a regulation red card like a slide tackle from behind or a high elbow is just as nasty. I think in the end we where missing a bit of luck, but am really, really looking forward to seeing this team in the future, because boy oh boy, if we keep improving our performances like we have, Gary Hooper starts firing and we keep playing this, I don’t see why we couldn’t make the top 4 this season. 

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It was remarkable to observe that we were fitter, faster and better organised than they were.

We couldn't finish, but that will come with time, cohesion and of course hooper

A highlight for me was that two young lads, cacace and mccowatt (with some help from steinman) turning a worrying first 15 minutes into utter dominance of grant and baumjohan, who of course was subbed early.

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Two match suspension for Libby.

According to Piney.

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Ranix wrote:

Two match suspension for Libby.

According to Piney.

On the A League website now

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/outcome-independe...

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Ranix wrote:

Two match suspension for Libby.

According to Piney.

On the A League website now

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/outcome-independe...

To be fair, even if it was unintentional, he could've seriously injured Caceres. It sucks, because you know Libby's not that sorta player, but if it was the other way around we'd be calling for blood.

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Called it. I don't mind the 2 matches if they actually explained what the extra game was for exactly, and that was applied evenly throughout the season.. 

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Shift Fenton to the left, that way when he inevitable cuts on his inside it will be to his stronger foot. Payne to RB, did well there in Week 1.

But I expect Scott.

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valeo wrote:

Called it. I don't mind the 2 matches if they actually explained what the extra game was for exactly, and that was applied evenly throughout the season.. 

It'll be Serious Foul play - carries a min of 2 games. He could've got 3 if they deemed it Violent Conduct.

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james dean wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

asmodeus_82 wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

james dean wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

martinb wrote:

so the ref waves play on and you lie on the ground you get a VAR check...ffs

And then a replay comes on in the ground, people see it, start booing and then it becomes a VAR check...

Not debating the red card, but if we're living in a VAR influenced world. Surely replays in grounds shouldn't come up on the big screens to influence decisions before they're made by the guy with all the camera angles at his disposal...

Come on var worked exactly as its supposed to. Bad on field decision over turned after a clear mistake on a major decision 

You're missing the point. Read again, and then try again.

Whether there are boos or a replay at the ground first doesn't really matter does it? The VAR was used correctly and the correct call was made. Would have and should have been the same call regardless so what does it matter? What's the difference? 

I don't think either the player staying on the ground or the crowds reactions were factors in that VAR decision.

I've calmed down a bit now so fair point's. I've been anti-VAR all the way so just venting some frustrations, mostly from the heart but without using my head. Apologies to the other joker in this thread that I was baiting a few pages back too.

Back to the game itself - we were mere centimetres from taking 3 points away from home against the reigning champions. Football being the heartbreaker that it can be, and unfortunately we walk away 0-2 to start the season.

Usually for a Nix side that loses away from home, we're scrappy, we keep it tight and we usually don't get too much flair and drive going forward, there's a lot of longballs and it's a bit of a hard watch at the best of time. For a long time we've been feeding off scraps and living in a perpetual state of counter attacking type football. Tonight that notion was blown out of the water! Creating pressure, pressing/harassing and challenging Sydney to the point we dominated the game, this was the most pleasing aspect of it all. Sure we didn't get a result, but we will play a lot worse at some point this season and we'll end up winning games, which is just the way it goes.

Despite the result, there is a lot to be encouraged about from that performance. Ball was fantastic and Uli was solid, it'll do him a world of good in terms of confidence getting that goal as well. Bodes well for the season ahead. Looking forward to seeing Hooper bringing a real cutting edge up front from next week too.

COYN!

On reflection, I think this is a little bit OTT - they did have several good chances (which luckily mostly fell to Kosta who had a bit of a mare).  I think the fact that we kept the ball so well, but also created chances was the most impressive thing, we've just still got to stay focussed for 90 minutes and not give up those sharkty goals...

I thought on reflection it was that close. On another day the ball hits the inside of the post from Ball's shot and goes in (rather than away from goal) and Rufer's header that had left Redmayne rooted, nestles in the bottom corner rather than skimming past the back post.

Sydney had their chances too, but after the first 20 or so minutes in that 1st half, and for a large part of the 2nd half, we were in the ascendency. Centimetres either way proved to be the difference. Against a class side like Sydney sometimes that's the difference between getting anything out of the game or going away empty handed.

Saying that, still don't feel disappointed at all about losing this game, even though it is a little annoying to know we could have got more out of it. It was a good step in the right direction in terms of the way we should be playing, and like I said, we'll play a lot worse than that at some point this season and still get 3 points. We're a work in progress, but if we play like that throughout the season we'll definitely flog a few teams.

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Just on the guys defending Sotirio, I made it very clear early in the thread that I was not a fan. Look, I'm happy he got the assist in the end, however it doesn't make up for all the wayward passes he gave straight to Sydney, especially some very good opportunities we had where we were 2 v 2 at 0-0.

Hopefully he can build his confidence over the course of the next couple of games from that assist, but my oh my.

Overall a great game by the boys against the reigning premiers. Their winning goal hurt, but looking ahead, Ball and Hooper pairing up will get me literally drooling. Bring on the rest of the season!!

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asmodeus_82 wrote:

valeo wrote:

I expect Cacace to be out for 2 weeks.

Why two weeks? It was just a bad/clumsy challenge. Surely the regular one match punishment for a red would be sufficient?

Don't mock valeo. He's clearly psychic. :(

Marquee
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I think we should have appealed.

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Look, I'm happy he got the assist in the end, however it doesn't make up for all the wayward passes he gave straight to Sydney

Wasn't it his header at the end of the 1st half which needed a brilliant save from Redmayne to keep it out?

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Don't you risk your appeal being deemed frivolous and getting a longer ban or fine?

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I don't think it's a frivolous appeal though. It's not like he punched the guy in the guts. He made a play for the ball - yes, late and reckless, but has no history of foul play, the incident was near the ball and I think 2 games is excessive hence I would have appealed.

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It's his first misdemeanour so they might show some leniency and tell him to learn from that.

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Transfermarkt has him with a total of 4 yellow cards over his 34 Phoenix games, not too bad for a defender. As much as I'd love to appeal and get it overturned, it'll never happen

valeo
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Doloras wrote:

asmodeus_82 wrote:

valeo wrote:

I expect Cacace to be out for 2 weeks.

Why two weeks? It was just a bad/clumsy challenge. Surely the regular one match punishment for a red would be sufficient?

Don't mock valeo. He's clearly psychic. :(

1. Phoenix player.

2. FFA.

3. Expect the worst.

valeo
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Just on the guys defending Sotirio, I made it very clear early in the thread that I was not a fan. Look, I'm happy he got the assist in the end, however it doesn't make up for all the wayward passes he gave straight to Sydney, especially some very good opportunities we had where we were 2 v 2 at 0-0.

Hopefully he can build his confidence over the course of the next couple of games from that assist, but my oh my.

Overall a great game by the boys against the reigning premiers. Their winning goal hurt, but looking ahead, Ball and Hooper pairing up will get me literally drooling. Bring on the rest of the season!!

I'm not a fan either but he had a very good end of the first half/second half. If that was any other player, we'd say he had a decent game. He got an assist and also had one of our best chances (the header) kept out by a very good Redmayne save.

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I don't think it's a frivolous appeal though. It's not like he punched the guy in the guts. He made a play for the ball - yes, late and reckless, but has no history of foul play, the incident was near the ball and I think 2 games is excessive hence I would have appealed.

Come on it was a shocker.He may have tried to play the ball but it was very late and nailed him close to the knee!

WeeNix
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It was bad. I couldnt watch the replays of it. Terrible tackle

Marquee
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I've seen worse tackles (including many against us) sanctioned with a yellow card (if that).

Stand by my belief that 1 week would have been enough, especially considering the player's positive record in terms of cautions and sending offs.

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valeo wrote:

1. Phoenix player.

2. FFA.

3. Expect the worse.

Serious question: do you expect anything to change re: the refs after the clubs take over the A-League?

valeo
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Doloras wrote:

valeo wrote:

1. Phoenix player.

2. FFA.

3. Expect the worse.

Serious question: do you expect anything to change re: the refs after the clubs take over the A-League?

Nope, though they've really lucked out getting Alireza Faghani down here; he's by far the best ref this league has ever had. Lets the game flow so well.

Re: Cacace; I thought the challenge was pretty terrible and it gets worse on further replays - no malice in it, but players have a duty of care to one another to not go in like that. It's hard to argue with the two weeks, honestly, and if it was a player from another team then I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Marquee
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Potential leg breaker. 

"going for the ball" isn't actually an excuse, despite what you hear all the time at social football. 2 weeks seems fair to me

Marquee
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I don't think it's a frivolous appeal though. It's not like he punched the guy in the guts. He made a play for the ball - yes, late and reckless, but has no history of foul play, the incident was near the ball and I think 2 games is excessive hence I would have appealed.

Had the situation been reversed i would be very surprised if you took a similar view.Think its just very good luck he didnt injure their player
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An appeal would have been laughed out the room. Nor do I think the nix would be stupid enough to do it. It was a shocker, as others have said. If that challenge was done to one of ours, I'd be calling for a lynch mob. He was so incredibly lucky that it wasn't a leg breaker. 2 weeks, I'm happy with that. 

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Doloras wrote:

Look, I'm happy he got the assist in the end, however it doesn't make up for all the wayward passes he gave straight to Sydney

Wasn't it his header at the end of the 1st half which needed a brilliant save from Redmayne to keep it out?

Yep you're right. And that was a brilliant header, so maybe we keep it in the air around him rather than at his feet! ?

LG
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What a hard read. Is was a game where the reality was to expect nothing and hope for something. Against the probably the best team in the competition at their place. Despite losing Libby, no heads dropped. We might have lost but this team is showing a will to win or want to win. The players are getting better with each other against good opposition.

I'm hoping Hooper will be the piece of the puzzle that brings it all together. This team have not embarrassed themselves. They keep trying. I like it. Keep going guys, keep going. See you on Sunday. Super Hooper.

Marquee
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Doloras wrote:

Look, I'm happy he got the assist in the end, however it doesn't make up for all the wayward passes he gave straight to Sydney

Wasn't it his header at the end of the 1st half which needed a brilliant save from Redmayne to keep it out?

Yep you're right. And that was a brilliant header, so maybe we keep it in the air around him rather than at his feet! ?

While he's a bit unrefined, I thought Sotirio had a pretty good game.  He's quite good at running the channels and he helped us retain possession while stretching the play.  I thought he was reasonably effective.

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james dean wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Look, I'm happy he got the assist in the end, however it doesn't make up for all the wayward passes he gave straight to Sydney

Wasn't it his header at the end of the 1st half which needed a brilliant save from Redmayne to keep it out?

Yep you're right. And that was a brilliant header, so maybe we keep it in the air around him rather than at his feet! ?

While he's a bit unrefined, I thought Sotirio had a pretty good game.  He's quite good at running the channels and he helped us retain possession while stretching the play.  I thought he was reasonably effective.

His first ~30 mins were quite poor, but he definitely grew into the game - his biggest problem is when faced with a 2on2 situation he has no idea what to do. He ruined 3 or 4 attacks after that initial Sydney onslaught.

Marquee
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Errrrr are we sure the game kicks off at 8pm??? Thought it was a 6pm KO...Gonna be hard for the wee man to stay up that late!

NVM - Got confused! Of course the Perth game starts at 6...

Carry on...

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