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Coaching Speculation - The global search to hire Mark Rudan

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about 8 years ago

Darje gone.

Probably not Ramon.

Speculate away.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 8 years ago

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

Haha just beaten!



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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

A new name in the mix.  Rob Sherman.

Interesting. I thought it was a lock for Vid. Anyone know Rob Sherman, or had dealings with him? 

no but he has his own website

Even more interesting. Has played professionally at a high level, varied footballing background, the right level of coaching badge, and his name has come out of left field at the last minute. Sounds like a serious contender. (Is he living in NZ at the moment?)

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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

A new name in the mix.  Rob Sherman.

Interesting. I thought it was a lock for Vid. Anyone know Rob Sherman, or had dealings with him? 

no but he has his own website

Even more interesting. Has played professionally at a high level, varied footballing background, the right level of coaching badge, and his name has come out of left field at the last minute. Sounds like a serious contender. (Is he living in NZ at the moment?)

Dunno. Maybe give him a ring and ask him. Maybe check his CV while at it. :)
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about 8 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

scribbler wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

A new name in the mix.  Rob Sherman.

Interesting. I thought it was a lock for Vid. Anyone know Rob Sherman, or had dealings with him? 

no but he has his own website

Even more interesting. Has played professionally at a high level, varied footballing background, the right level of coaching badge, and his name has come out of left field at the last minute. Sounds like a serious contender. (Is he living in NZ at the moment?)

Dunno. Maybe give him a ring and ask him. Maybe check his CV while at it. :)

Cool idea! :) I'll do a conference call with him and Ramon and play them off against each other. lol

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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

A new name in the mix.  Rob Sherman.

Interesting. I thought it was a lock for Vid. Anyone know Rob Sherman, or had dealings with him? 

no but he has his own website

Even more interesting. Has played professionally at a high level, varied footballing background, the right level of coaching badge, and his name has come out of left field at the last minute. Sounds like a serious contender. (Is he living in NZ at the moment?)

well he is NZF's High Performance Director so I'd assume that he's living here

https://thejourneyfan.blogspot.co.nz/

New Zealand Football Media Association Website of the year 2015 & 2016

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Ian Holloway please, just to get him out of QPR. or Chris Ramsey, or Mark Bircham, or .......

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

I would think it's a tricky role to perform from outside a country.

Darije seemed to be on another planet when he did it
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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

I would think it's a tricky role to perform from outside a country.

You could live in Aussie and just pop over regularly. Didn't the Black Caps have an Australian coach at one stage who did that? Can't remember his name, or find it. Anyway, NZ Cricket probably paid him more in travel allowances that they paid the whole team back then. I recall that same coach never did get on with Shane Warne when he was coaching the Australian nation team. When asked his opinion of that particular coach, Warne said that professional cricketers didn't actually need coaches, except to transport them to the airport. 

But, back on subject: yes, I'll concede, Rob Sherman is probably living in NZ. :)

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about 8 years ago

Bring back Des.

He was handsome :)

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago

Honestly it's kind of annoying because I genuinely think that Ernie Merrick could do quite well with this squad, it's quite a bit different to when he left

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

A new name in the mix.  Rob Sherman.

Interesting. I thought it was a lock for Vid. Anyone know Rob Sherman, or had dealings with him? 

no but he has his own website

Even more interesting. Has played professionally at a high level, varied footballing background, the right level of coaching badge, and his name has come out of left field at the last minute. Sounds like a serious contender. (Is he living in NZ at the moment?)

No real senior team coaching experience by the looks. Not even as an assistant at a senior club
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about 8 years ago

Honestly it's kind of annoying because I genuinely think that Ernie Merrick could do quite well with this squad, it's quite a bit different to when he left

I am unable to escape that particular illusion either.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Its only quite good because he didn't assemble it.

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Honestly it's kind of annoying because I genuinely think that Ernie Merrick could do quite well with this squad, it's quite a bit different to when he left

I am unable to escape that particular illusion either.

We know Burns and Krishna thrive under him, Ridenton and Singh would get plenty of ball, I think Galloway would be excellent in a Merrick team too.
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

Honestly it's kind of annoying because I genuinely think that Ernie Merrick could do quite well with this squad, it's quite a bit different to when he left

And the squad under Ernie, who's fault was that?
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scribbler wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

A new name in the mix.  Rob Sherman.

Interesting. I thought it was a lock for Vid. Anyone know Rob Sherman, or had dealings with him? 

no but he has his own website

Even more interesting. Has played professionally at a high level, varied footballing background, the right level of coaching badge, and his name has come out of left field at the last minute. Sounds like a serious contender. (Is he living in NZ at the moment?)

No real senior team coaching experience by the looks. Not even as an assistant at a senior club

Yeah but the FFA will give him special dispensation to gain the required experience before May!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

Heard the back end of Dome on RS with Darcy and Goran not long ago. I get the impression that they'll be hiring one of the Australians with A League coaching experience. Dome admitted they got DK wrong and the lesson they learned was the importance of having someone that knew Australian players, A League etc. He wasn't totally convincing to me, still too much spin - reminded me of a car salesman. Personally I don't know if they've learned the real lesson at all - they can't pick a coach full stop, let alone minding where they are from....

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about 8 years ago

Heard the back end of Dome on RS with Darcy and Goran not long ago. I get the impression that they'll be hiring one of the Australians with A League coaching experience. Dome admitted they got DK wrong and the lesson they learned was the importance of having someone that knew Australian players, A League etc. He wasn't totally convincing to me, still too much spin - reminded me of a car salesman. Personally I don't know if they've learned the real lesson at all - they can't pick a coach full stop, let alone minding where they are from....

But they didn't just hire DK did they? Rado was obviously a big part of the initial coaching appointment and he clearly knows Australian players well. While they got DK's personality wrong, I personally think they attempted to make the right decision.

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about 8 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

Heard the back end of Dome on RS with Darcy and Goran not long ago. I get the impression that they'll be hiring one of the Australians with A League coaching experience. Dome admitted they got DK wrong and the lesson they learned was the importance of having someone that knew Australian players, A League etc. He wasn't totally convincing to me, still too much spin - reminded me of a car salesman. Personally I don't know if they've learned the real lesson at all - they can't pick a coach full stop, let alone minding where they are from....

But they didn't just hire DK did they? Rado was obviously a big part of the initial coaching appointment and he clearly knows Australian players well. While they got DK's personality wrong, I personally think they attempted to make the right decision.

I'm sure they've never set out to hire a hopeless coach - they're just not very good at finding the right one.
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djtim3000 wrote:

Heard the back end of Dome on RS with Darcy and Goran not long ago. I get the impression that they'll be hiring one of the Australians with A League coaching experience. Dome admitted they got DK wrong and the lesson they learned was the importance of having someone that knew Australian players, A League etc. He wasn't totally convincing to me, still too much spin - reminded me of a car salesman. Personally I don't know if they've learned the real lesson at all - they can't pick a coach full stop, let alone minding where they are from....

But they didn't just hire DK did they? Rado was obviously a big part of the initial coaching appointment and he clearly knows Australian players well. While they got DK's personality wrong, I personally think they attempted to make the right decision.

I'm sure they've never set out to hire a hopeless coach - they're just not very good at finding the right one.

I meant more that hiring an International coach alongside an experienced Australian assistant is a good approach. While Merrick wasn't the 'right coach' for the Nix he was still a good appointment. Whatever is wrong with the Nix seems to mean even the most experienced of football administrators may have trouble finding the 'right one', which I guess is a coach who can actually get the best out of the squad over a consistent multi-season time-frame.

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Ian Holloway please, just to get him out of QPR. or Chris Ramsey, or Mark Bircham, or .......

Lighting shouldn't strike twice mate

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TreeFiddy wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Ian Holloway please, just to get him out of QPR. or Chris Ramsey, or Mark Bircham, or .......

Lighting shouldn't strike twice mate

I am not sure if we had many (any??) UK coaches successfully working with A-League clubs.  There is a good batch of German, Dutch and Spanish coaches apart from the home-grown guys.  But not all tasted lasting success, 

I hope someone competent like Big Pete 65 could make us a table of A-League premiers and champions and list their winning coaches at the time.  This might be useful, especially if compared with the overall ratio of locally trained (not "locally born") coaches at the helm of HAL clubs.   For example, despite being Scottish born- and -bred, Merrick is an Australian coach in my books (his coaching development was done chiefly at AIS as I recall).  I think it would show guys like Ernie, Arnie and Ange sharing a few of the titles over the last decade.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

I wonder when Greenacre took this latest appointment if he contemplated how it would look on his CV 

Once caretaker job fine, twice maybe ok,  but 3 times begs the question from any potential employer why wasn't he good enough to be top dog.


Auckland will rise once more

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about 8 years ago

McMahon at Perth a few years back.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Ian Holloway please, just to get him out of QPR. or Chris Ramsey, or Mark Bircham, or .......

Lighting shouldn't strike twice mate

I am not sure if we had many (any??) UK coaches successfully working with A-League clubs.  There is a good batch of German, Dutch and Spanish coaches apart from the home-grown guys.  But not all tasted lasting success, 

I hope someone competent on this forum could make us a table of A-League premiers and champions and list their winning coaches at the time.  This might be useful, especially if compared with the overall ratio of locally trained (not "locally born") coaches at the helm of HAL clubs.   For example, despite being Scottish born- and -bred, Merrick is an Australian coach in my books (his coaching development was done chiefly at AIS as I recall).  I think it would show guys like Ernie, Arnie and Ange sharing a few of the titles over the last decade.

Apart from Amor for that season at Adelaide, every single coach of the year has been an Australian coach. Mulvey, Merrick and McKinna were born overseas but are basically Australians as you say.

Completely unrelated side note while looking up the stats. Of the 12 Johnny Warren medal winners so far, two of them were playing for the Nix when they won and five of them have played for the Nix at some point - more than any other club.

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djtim3000 wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Ian Holloway please, just to get him out of QPR. or Chris Ramsey, or Mark Bircham, or .......

Lighting shouldn't strike twice mate

I am not sure if we had many (any??) UK coaches successfully working with A-League clubs.  There is a good batch of German, Dutch and Spanish coaches apart from the home-grown guys.  But not all tasted lasting success, 

I hope someone competent on this forum could make us a table of A-League premiers and champions and list their winning coaches at the time.  This might be useful, especially if compared with the overall ratio of locally trained (not "locally born") coaches at the helm of HAL clubs.   For example, despite being Scottish born- and -bred, Merrick is an Australian coach in my books (his coaching development was done chiefly at AIS as I recall).  I think it would show guys like Ernie, Arnie and Ange sharing a few of the titles over the last decade.

Apart from Amor for that season at Adelaide, every single coach of the year has been an Australian coach. Mulvey, Merrick and McKinna were born overseas but are basically Australians as you say.

Completely unrelated side note while looking up the stats. Of the 12 Johnny Warren medal winners so far, two of them were playing for the Nix when they won and five of them have played for the Nix at some point - more than any other club.

6 when you include Tando this year!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

I would think it's a tricky role to perform from outside a country.

You could live in Aussie and just pop over regularly. Didn't the Black Caps have an Australian coach at one stage who did that? Can't remember his name, or find it. Anyway, NZ Cricket probably paid him more in travel allowances that they paid the whole team back then. I recall that same coach never did get on with Shane Warne when he was coaching the Australian nation team. When asked his opinion of that particular coach, Warne said that professional cricketers didn't actually need coaches, except to transport them to the airport. 

But, back on subject: yes, I'll concede, Rob Sherman is probably living in NZ. :)

Steve Rixon?

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about 8 years ago

chopah wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

I would think it's a tricky role to perform from outside a country.

You could live in Aussie and just pop over regularly. Didn't the Black Caps have an Australian coach at one stage who did that? Can't remember his name, or find it. Anyway, NZ Cricket probably paid him more in travel allowances that they paid the whole team back then. I recall that same coach never did get on with Shane Warne when he was coaching the Australian nation team. When asked his opinion of that particular coach, Warne said that professional cricketers didn't actually need coaches, except to transport them to the airport. 

But, back on subject: yes, I'll concede, Rob Sherman is probably living in NZ. :)

Steve Rixon?

Stephen Kearney
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about 8 years ago

I wonder when Greenacre took this latest appointment if he contemplated how it would look on his CV 

Once caretaker job fine, twice maybe ok,  but 3 times begs the question from any potential employer why wasn't he good enough to be top dog.

A piece of paper and an FFA rule

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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about 8 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

I wonder when Greenacre took this latest appointment if he contemplated how it would look on his CV 

Once caretaker job fine, twice maybe ok,  but 3 times begs the question from any potential employer why wasn't he good enough to be top dog.

A piece of paper and an FFA rule

Yeah, it's that easy to explain really. I heard on the radio that he's working towards his licence.  

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about 8 years ago

Why can't I find the FIFA equivalent of this. My learned helps.

Old but relevant?

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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chopah wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

I would think it's a tricky role to perform from outside a country.

You could live in Aussie and just pop over regularly. Didn't the Black Caps have an Australian coach at one stage who did that? Can't remember his name, or find it. Anyway, NZ Cricket probably paid him more in travel allowances that they paid the whole team back then. I recall that same coach never did get on with Shane Warne when he was coaching the Australian nation team. When asked his opinion of that particular coach, Warne said that professional cricketers didn't actually need coaches, except to transport them to the airport. 

But, back on subject: yes, I'll concede, Rob Sherman is probably living in NZ. :)

Steve Rixon?

Stephen Kearney

I don't think he ever coached the Black Caps and he isn't an Aussie.

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