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In less than 3 weeks top top Women's Teams, Karori and Lower Hutt have pulled out from Central League for not having enough players plus some coaching problems...... What is Cap Football doing about it ?? Why they didn't see this coming ?? Why NZF are selling us (parents) the Whole of Football Plan, saying it's amazing for the players when some clubs are struggling to put a team in the top female league in wellington.... 

The TOP female league has now ONLY 6 teams.....really sad for wellington football and players development

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That is crazy that they can't field teams, actually thought women's football was going stronger than it has in the past.

I had heard a few players from Lower Hutt had gone to other teams, didn't realised that meant they didn't have a team to put on the field.

Edit: Just texted my mate who plays and she has heard that there might be a Taranaki team filling on of the spots

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Think Wharf's problem was finding a coach (to replace Feverish who has gone above and beyond for wimmins football there) and when they didn't many of the players bailed to other clubs.

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Hard News wrote:

Think Wharf's problem was finding a coach (to replace Feverish who has gone above and beyond for wimmins football there) and when they didn't many of the players bailed to other clubs.

Does show how much of a difference one person can be to a club

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Clubs are trying their best but the women's game ain't flash at the moment

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With alot of the good yoof players moving to the 09 for NZ Football and Massey so massively dominant must be a struggle to sell it.

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huge player changes at massey this year.

I'd say they will be down in the lower tier with BNU, motoroa and Valeron 

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Feverish wrote:

huge player changes at massey this year.

I'd say they will be down in the lower tier with BNU, motoroa and Valeron 

Wow, that is interesting.

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Yakcall wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Think Wharf's problem was finding a coach (to replace Feverish who has gone above and beyond for wimmins football there) and when they didn't many of the players bailed to other clubs.

Does show how much of a difference one person can be to a club

 

Not just to a club but to a league. Having a handful of good stable coaches driving teams gives the whole league a sense of permanence.

Brendan Marsh (Stop Out) is another guy who has done loads for the ladies' game and has stepped away this season.

When you lose top drawer volunteers like Feverish and Marsh and don't replace them things are going to get rocky for a while.

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Very Sad, having been involved with Womens football in the recent past I must say in my opinion the writing was on the wall when two things happened, NZ Football made a number of players from Wellington move to Auckland to be involved with NZ Squads and then Paul Grieg was somehow shoved aside. He put a lot of effort into the National League side getting players to strive for higher honours, picking talent, running sessions for those who had attained international level and getting good people involved.

Capital Football need to take the lead and make sure those players left without clubs are not lost to the game and also make sure the players who are pushed aside at clubs with the arrival of the new players from defunct teams are also not forgotten.

Its complicated but some hard work by someone on the phone talking to players and clubs so the rebuild begins now with a view for the future. Sorry Nat from Capital Football its in your inbox I am afraid in my opinion to at least get it moving. Failure to act now will only make a rebuild harder.

On a another note Feverish I have to say I am not always a fan of some of your comments on here and maybe some of your actions when with Women's Wharf but the women's game will miss your organisation and efforts for sure.The game is so heavily weighted to men, its a reality that people involved with the women understand but it would be worse off without your efforts.

Simple question, how can at a time when NZ Womens Football is going well can we be faced with this situation?

  

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solutions are needed for the problems posed by the changing landscape of wimmins footy IMO.

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could any of the problems we are now seeing be caused by this woman's only league that seems to have no interest in competition and is based purely on participation.

a few friends have said there girls have lost interest in football since changing from playing with the boys as the competitiveness has gone.

This attitude seems to also be in some collage woman's football as well though i have noticed not all are so laid back when it comes to winning and playing football.

it is sad to see this lack of young players in wellington as there are a number of older ladies who are still playing who also wonder what the powers that be have done as they have also noticed the lack of a real pathway for all the youth compared to there days of joining senior woman's football.

i do hope it gets sorted.

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Could there be a few hefty fines handed down to the clubs pulling out? Surely you just move your second team up. And if you get humped, you get humped, then deal with it at the end of the season.

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Some good comments across this topic on the forum, unfortunately the women's game at too many clubs runs on the goodwill of a few and their toil. Should note too that Brendan at Stop Out might not be in a coaching role this winter but he's still working alongside some good people making sure the women's game is a key part of the club - ensuring it continues to offer opportunities across the age groups and seniors, and of course the tournaments the club hosts. 

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AJ13 wrote:

Could there be a few hefty fines handed down to the clubs pulling out? Surely you just move your second team up. And if you get humped, you get humped, then deal with it at the end of the season.

 

Not so much pulling out as not entering, so no fines.

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News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

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News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Ballsy move - they are not the team they were a couple of seasons ago. Heck Vic Uni was arguably better then them last season

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News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Upper Hutt possibly bringing reserve side to Cap Prem also.

Personally  I  think Lower Hutt and Wharf weak as piss for withdrawing

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sthn.jeff wrote:

News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Upper Hutt possibly bringing reserve side to Cap Prem also.

Personally  I  think Lower Hutt and Wharf weak as piss for withdrawing

You would do if you didn't know anything about womens football. Maybe ask Brendon Clent about his last year champ

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sthn.jeff wrote:

News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Upper Hutt possibly bringing reserve side to Cap Prem also.

Personally  I  think Lower Hutt and Wharf weak as piss for withdrawing

 

Those are pretty strong words. Keyboard warrior much?

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Feverish wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Upper Hutt possibly bringing reserve side to Cap Prem also.

Personally  I  think Lower Hutt and Wharf weak as piss for withdrawing

You would do if you didn't know anything about womens football. Maybe ask Brendon Clent about his last year champ

I know enough to have seen teams struggle for a year develop players and then push on to be quite competitive. 

So both clubs could not field enough players or they simply did not fancy a tough year maybe battling at the wrong end of the league?

The withdrawal and inclusion of Moturoa will add significant unbudgeted costs to all remaining clubs.

As for the Keyboard warrior comment Smithy,  isn't everyone here? There is nothing I have said that I would not be prepared to say in a face to face discussion

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perhaps you should chair the wimmins advisory group champ as clearly you know all the ins and outs and have all the answers

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sthn.jeff wrote:

Feverish wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Upper Hutt possibly bringing reserve side to Cap Prem also.

Personally  I  think Lower Hutt and Wharf weak as piss for withdrawing

You would do if you didn't know anything about womens football. Maybe ask Brendon Clent about his last year champ

I know enough to have seen teams struggle for a year develop players and then push on to be quite competitive. 

So both clubs could not field enough players or they simply did not fancy a tough year maybe battling at the wrong end of the league?

The withdrawal and inclusion of Moturoa will add significant unbudgeted costs to all remaining clubs.

As for the Keyboard warrior comment Smithy,  isn't everyone here? There is nothing I have said that I would not be prepared to say in a face to face discussion

 

I don't believe you. 

I also think it's pretty disrespectful to accuse Feverish (and the Lower Hutt folks who I don't know) of being weak as piss.

But hey, each to their own. Generally you're a good dude around here so maybe this is a brain fade or something.

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sthn.jeff wrote:

Feverish wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

News today - Stop Out will fill the vacant spot in WCL this year (and their reserves will play WPL).

Upper Hutt possibly bringing reserve side to Cap Prem also.

Personally  I  think Lower Hutt and Wharf weak as piss for withdrawing

You would do if you didn't know anything about womens football. Maybe ask Brendon Clent about his last year champ

I know enough to have seen teams struggle for a year develop players and then push on to be quite competitive. 

So both clubs could not field enough players or they simply did not fancy a tough year maybe battling at the wrong end of the league?

The withdrawal and inclusion of Moturoa will add significant unbudgeted costs to all remaining clubs.

As for the Keyboard warrior comment Smithy,  isn't everyone here? There is nothing I have said that I would not be prepared to say in a face to face discussion

having a group of Woman or men get hammered every week without a program that can show a path to turning that experience around to development them into better players and a stronger team is a task that not many quality coach's or managers can achieve so for the benefit of the clubs they have decided to withdraw to a level where they could rebuild back to where they can achieve the above mentioned goals and pathway with the players available. this is good management i feel and not weak or pissy as suggested.

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To me, the fact they had to withdraw is a sign of weak management and poor vision by the clubs involved.

That said I think it is the correct decision going forward. I've been in teams where you get thumped each week and it's horrible. That's a sure fire way to kill off the pathways for developing players at your club.

Here's hoping both clubs come back stronger and with better setups for women's football.

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prem is remaining eight teams (not ten as intended) with NW and LH dropping out and no one else wanting to make up the ten

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Feverish wrote:

prem is remaining eight teams (not ten as intended) with NW and LH dropping out and no one else wanting to make up the ten

I know Wairarapa applied to go into prem but were turned down by Capital Football. They have gone eighteen league games unbeaten and averaged ten goals per game. Heavily criticised by the opposition clubs for not playing in a higher division but this is something they cannot do anything about. I believe they are not going to pull out now, due to the lack of competition which is not helping anybody with development.

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9 teams in a league just is wrong….

11 teams is o.k though……

what is capital football scared of  ????

is rapa hated that much?

that rapa team i watched play last year on two occasions play football as a team with some talent who know how to form a team so why not let them move a bit quicker up the ranks as the div one girls will not care as they seem to not want to step up to make a 10 team league…..

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you wouldn't want more than eight in prem at the moment 

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but NW might want to make it 9 teams just to make it more interesting…..;-)

if 8 is good in your opinion where did this policy to expand it this year to 10 teams come from?????

Maybe it is someone at Capital football who is keen to keep there version of a woman's prem team in the league rather than be tagged relegated.

this 10 team policy is poor decision making without consideration for the available resources in the area i feel ….

never mind it sounds like 8 teams this year and lets hope there is not one poor team at the bottom again with 0 wins and that solo 1 point to avoid the big old egg.

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but NW might want to make it 9 teams just to make it more interesting…..;-)

if 8 is good in your opinion where did this policy to expand it this year to 10 teams come from?????

Maybe it is someone at Capital football who is keen to keep there version of a woman's prem team in the league rather than be tagged relegated.

this 10 team policy is poor decision making without consideration for the available resources in the area i feel ….

never mind it sounds like 8 teams this year and lets hope there is not one poor team at the bottom again with 0 wins and that solo 1 point to avoid the big old egg.

prob made by the same people who masterminded the Kelly Cup last year

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One of the biggest issues that still exists is a prejudice at the lower level towards girls teams.

I have recently put together a 12th Grade team at Stopout to play in the mixed Saturday league in the Hutt. This took two seasons to make happen because certain club committee members felt "Stopout does not need all girls teams, they can mix with boys till U17 or they reach senior eligibility." This attitude does not help grow strength in womens football for the future which is where we need to be focusing. If we can grow the base level of Girls football at this age (Junior Grades)  we will make sure we have CL strength for the future. I am aware that this prejudice is not limited just to stopout. (Just would like to point out that the new junior convener at Stopout is fantastic and the help of the likes of Brendan Marsh, Craig Darby etc is what makes this possible.) 

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One of the biggest issues facing development of women's football from a young age in Wgtn  is University.

Most good/elite sports minded girls are not Vic Uni law/accountancy students.

Massey Wgtn has helped but Auckland, Otago and PN Massey still huge draw cards.

IMO 

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Just to point out some clubs are good at female development and note that Stop out has 2 girls teams playing in open Sat morn grades and certainly want more next year happily encourage girls to come to club if they want to play with other girls 

Note this 12th grade team is unbeaten so far this season and improving each week 

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cdarbs wrote:

Just to point out some clubs are good at female development and note that Stop out has 2 girls teams playing in open Sat morn grades and certainly want more next year happily encourage girls to come to club if they want to play with other girls 

Note this 12th grade team is unbeaten so far this season and improving each week 

Not saying anything is wrong with local girls football or organisations. But when it comes time to choose a University thier becomes a flood of talented girls leave Wgtn and a lot return 4-5 years later, some back to local football.
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Blew.2 wrote:

cdarbs wrote:

Just to point out some clubs are good at female development and note that Stop out has 2 girls teams playing in open Sat morn grades and certainly want more next year happily encourage girls to come to club if they want to play with other girls 

Note this 12th grade team is unbeaten so far this season and improving each week 

Not saying anything is wrong with local girls football or organisations. But when it comes time to choose a University thier becomes a flood of talented girls leave Wgtn and a lot return 4-5 years later, some back to local football.

university is only the end of it all, As it starts to fall apart at collage where if they have a good football program you are in with a chance but if they are at a "it's about participation"  school and there is no challenge and development then they tend to wander into other things and football is not on their agenda anymore.

Then as you have said the University issue and also the national team (based in Auckland) issue.

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Murdock1973 wrote:

One of the biggest issues that still exists is a prejudice at the lower level towards girls teams.

I have recently put together a 12th Grade team at Stopout to play in the mixed Saturday league in the Hutt. This took two seasons to make happen because certain club committee members felt "Stopout does not need all girls teams, they can mix with boys till U17 or they reach senior eligibility." This attitude does not help grow strength in womens football for the future which is where we need to be focusing. If we can grow the base level of Girls football at this age (Junior Grades)  we will make sure we have CL strength for the future. I am aware that this prejudice is not limited just to stopout. (Just would like to point out that the new junior convener at Stopout is fantastic and the help of the likes of Brendan Marsh, Craig Darby etc is what makes this possible.) 

perhaps playing with boys is better for their development as a player? and perhaps as a human being?

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Feverish wrote:

Murdock1973 wrote:

One of the biggest issues that still exists is a prejudice at the lower level towards girls teams.

I have recently put together a 12th Grade team at Stopout to play in the mixed Saturday league in the Hutt. This took two seasons to make happen because certain club committee members felt "Stopout does not need all girls teams, they can mix with boys till U17 or they reach senior eligibility." This attitude does not help grow strength in womens football for the future which is where we need to be focusing. If we can grow the base level of Girls football at this age (Junior Grades)  we will make sure we have CL strength for the future. I am aware that this prejudice is not limited just to stopout. (Just would like to point out that the new junior convener at Stopout is fantastic and the help of the likes of Brendan Marsh, Craig Darby etc is what makes this possible.) 

perhaps playing with boys is better for their development as a player? and perhaps as a human being?

Um, I have to agree. Tom Randles developed a girls only team years a go (+many more girls rep/college teams) and talking to him shortly after. He was of the opinion the girls in boys team developed stronger and better. His cut off was at the 14-15 year old, as the boys became more physical toward the girls in the tackles.
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Having watched/coached for a number of years i have noticed, as a generalisation,  at about 10-11 years the boys stop passing the ball to the girls etc, girls playing against boys in the Saturday league ,in my  humble opinion, will prepare them better for the intensity of senior football later. 

It has been very interesting to see the reactions of a few of the all boys teams we have come up against so far. 

We are simply trying to build a good strong base of girls that not only enjoy playing the game but also have a strong club identity. 

I am fully aware that not every player will make it to the top 1%  but if we do not provide a clear and supportive pathway for the other 99% we have no real base to grow women's football from. 

If we continue with the attitude that  "perhaps playing with boys is better for their development as a player? and perhaps as a human being"  are we just going to keep doing what has always been done and therefore keep getting the same results?

I for one would love to see the ladies central league remain strong and for this to happen we need to make some changes at the lower levels so the girls have a clear pathways that shows them the clubs actually care about women's football in its own right and dont just see them as

1. Spare members of boys teams to be subs on the sideline

2. The ladies that run the kitchen after the men have played  

Or we could just bury our head in the sand and wait till there is no senior ladies football and we have nothing for the younger girls to aim for as a pathway to stronger leagues or higher honours.

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Miramar had Swans (all Girls) playing in boys league took Tom 2 years to win the grade ( from memory) 

We got to 3 all girls teams in 13 th grade different divisions but 2nd year of college culled #. 

And ended with 2 in 14 grade Can't remember years but it is great for the girls when they beat the boys. Parent comments on boys team was a laugh before and after the game. 

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