Coliseum Sports - EPL Overlords

does PLP still operate in Asia?

coliseum (plp) is now part of lightbox.

Not quite, the rights were always going to increase, if they were following in some way to trend in the European market there was a massive leap there as well.

Just to clarify last time the rights were won (by PLP) they brought them from a party who had brought rights all over Asia and then broke them up and sold them piecemeal for the highest price.  I have not seen anything about this happening this time but I would not be surprised if the same model happened.

Someone suggested a direct to customer model from the EPL, not sure they are keen on that, I mean as a business if you can get the sort of coin upfront that they are getting why would you bother. 

I mean someone do the math, how many subscribers at the cost of PLP would they have to have in NZ to cover 3MIL a year?

Here is the root problem, EPL and their brokers hugely overestimate the EPL marker in NZ and are costing themselves out of the audience.  That said I hope SKY or someone can pick it up and then we can have this same issue in 3 years time when the rights are worth 15mil

Sure, but my point is someone needs to make money off this so guess who the cost gets passed to.  Would you pay 3 x what PLP cost this year to watch?

Personally, probably if it was the only legal way of guaranteeing I can watch my team, though I'd make sure to split it 3 ways with my Dad and brother like I have done with PLP. But yes, noone is going to pay $600 for a season on their own. I still don't believe they accidentally bid thinking it was Australia. Surely there is some sort of due diligence process before the contract is actually signed rather than there being no way to get out of the bid after it's made. Think they just overestimated how much they could make in NZ and didn't do their research. No way did they accidentally buy something they didn't mean to buy for $10 million.  

You would hope so, but if the rights really are worth $10mil for NZ what hope do we have?

It won't be because no one will but them next time. Which is in three years.

I know BeIN sports has been spun off Al Jazeera as a separate entity now but is it still owned by the Qatari royals/state? The CEO of BeIN holds an honorary cabinet position in the Qatari government at least...

You'd think with that much money behind them that they could invest in a streaming service, and would have the economies of scale to make it worthwhile.

The whole thing is so farcical because the NZ rights are a drop in the ocean for global rights- if it's $10m for us for 3 years that's still only about a 10th of what each club in the premier league gets each year from the rights.

BeIN was just a re-brand of al-Jazeera sport, probably to make it a bit more Western friendly as they moved into those markets, e.g. France.

I find it very difficult to believe that these guys purchased these rights for a pricey sum believing that they were also getting the Australian rights.

Surely such ineptitude only exists in the corridors of NZ football?

There must be a game plan in there somewhere.

I thought they did have a streaming service?

Yep. This is a large, well-funded media company that have spent the last few years snapping up sports (esp. football) rights throughout much of the western world. 

Yeah but it's not the same company anymore, at least, not according to Wikipedia. A year after they rebranded it from Al Jazeera Sports to BeIN Sports they separated them so they're now two distinct companies, rather than two brands owned by the same company. 

Do they? And is it available in NZ?

they have a few but none in nz.

Friend in Taiwan had a PLP subscription this year or maybe last year. Can't remember.

Sky could probably go on quite happily with the club TV feeds it's had. So in quite a good negotiating position vis a vis the NZ rights. The only thing being that BeIN may be the content holder for some of their other rights?? Otherwise you'd think they'll be taking a bath.

Guess Sky could be happy with that- they know exactly how elastic the EPL market is and they might figure they've actually had the better of the deal as some of the 10K will have had Sky too.

This.

My service experience was I got someone on the live chat within seconds who fixed my problems. Had good fibre broadband and a new router and the functionality was top notch. I could log in at my friends or rellies house if I wanted to and play the games on their TVs. I didn't have to have 6 channels of extreme sports or whatever. Could have two games going at once. The magazine shows and highlights were easy to access. 

Most folk I know Chopah have one or both of the streaming options (Netflix/Lightbox), or sneaky downloads. Convenience. Though I know one dude with MySky and that's a sweet system if there is the content. But it's not as good a streaming service as Netflix/Lightbox/PLP. It can be ok for rugby/cricket.

My IT guy at work is adamant that Sky have got the rights next year and even took a photo of an advert he saw on there.  He showed it to me today and it had the sky logo in the corner, what looked like the EPL symbol, and the text 16/17 season, all games exclusively live. 

Is he confused, having me on, incorrect or correct?

Few things on that:

1) "All games live" - That'd be interesting as it is not something they ever did in the past

2) At this point BeIN Sports own the rights (Paid $10m for them), Sky have said that the current price for them to get them is about $4m, and that is above what they want to pay (PLP paid ~$3m)

So going on that, either someone is having him on, or he is having you on. Also if Sky had an ad on their site or anywhere then they would've already made a press statement, and there are no statements about the EPL here...https://www.sky.co.nz/-/mk_pressrelease_1604-1 (See bottom of page for full list of press releases)

Sky do not own the rights, if they did they would have to update the stock market

What do you do JD? You are very clued up on financial aspects. It's great having that knowledge floating around here!

Didn't think of that fact. 

Maybe they have their club TV deals resigned? 

It's likely they expect to get it even if publicly they can only say "we're talking to them," so perhaps through his work he saw a mock up of a possible ad or something. Still expect Sky and Bein will eventually meet in the middle somewhere close to the start of the season. A deal they both may not like but a better one for both than no deal.

then it'd say: "a couple of games, 12 hours delayed, most weeks"

They have gotten better at pop up channels since they last had the rights. The f1 is usually on at least two pop up channels for different cameras for instance.

Let's not rewrite history either. They didn't have all 10 games live each week like PLP did, but it wasn't "a couple of games 12 hours delayed" either. Maybe they would offer a season pass through Fanpass like they have done with some other sports, though as already mentioned it would need an on demand option.

 

Used car salesman.

Sorry, that was in response to martinb who said maybe they had the club channels signed up again.

Ah right, no worries. Yes it was annoying for the period I relied on the club channels. Worst thing about Arsenal TV was when it finally came on they had an hour and a half of stuff before the game. Some of it would have been interesting to watch another time, or after the game if we'd won and felt like watching more. But when you've waited so long you can't be bothered and just want the fudgeing game to start.

Not the most impartial commentary for the neutrals on the club channels either. I'm looking at you Chelsea TV! 

There are people who are neutral about Chelsea?

Haha touché! You know what I mean though.

ManU commentators are hilarious

Kept a recording from when arsenal spanked them 3-0, it's priceless

time to close this thread down? 

oh well I never had any problems with PLP so cheers for the footy  X

I didn't find most of them that bad. A little biased of course, but they are not designed to be your main as live viewing of the match, they are aimed at fans who want to watch a replay later on from their club's perspective. With that in mind most of them have been watchable with the exception of Pat Crerand on MUTV who I had to mute to make it bearable. He'd go berserk at an opposition player "trying to con the referee" for appealing for a throw in on the half way line etc.

This from Sky today...

"Meanwhile, Way said Sky was still "hopeful" of getting rights to the English Premier League, which will no longer be carried by online provider Coliseum.

"The pricing was rich, very expensive, and very hard to justify and look at how we might even be close to breaking even," she said.

"There is still dialogue going on"

From the Herald  at the end of an article about the boxing streaming issue - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...