What's really wrong with the Wellington Phoenix?

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Brown Bear wrote:

coochiee wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'm also fully aware that being an All White/playing for Colorado under Anthony Hudson is not an automatic mark of quality

Even if Wynne has just been named in MLS team of the week, and Colorado tracking okay in MLS?

The Phoenix would be better off with Bill Tuiloma, Elliot Collier, Jake Gleeson, Stefan Marinovic etc. Especially a quality keeper without losing an import slot. I assume though these players are a lot better off playing MLS than for Wellington?

You could argue that before the MLS kicked off Collier and especially Tuiloma would get more minutes at the Nix, but as of late both have been playing really well and getting regular minutes so thats not entirely valid anymore. Gleeson and Marinovic probably wouldn't give up being the starting keepers for decent MLS clubs though
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The club were definitely watching all those players but with them going well in MLS the Phoenix will probably just wish them all the best and make sure they know that if they want to be back home they would sign them straight away.

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Brown Bear wrote:

coochiee wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'm also fully aware that being an All White/playing for Colorado under Anthony Hudson is not an automatic mark of quality

Even if Wynne has just been named in MLS team of the week, and Colorado tracking okay in MLS?

The Phoenix would be better off with Bill Tuiloma, Elliot Collier, Jake Gleeson, Stefan Marinovic etc. Especially a quality keeper without losing an import slot. I assume though these players are a lot better off playing MLS than for Wellington?

You could argue that before the MLS kicked off Collier and especially Tuiloma would get more minutes at the Nix, but as of late both have been playing really well and getting regular minutes so thats not entirely valid anymore. Gleeson and Marinovic probably wouldn't give up being the starting keepers for decent MLS clubs though

In saying that though Gleeson is only on about 150k, surely we could tempt him home if we offer him 200-250k? I know thats a lot of money but guys like McGlinchey are on way more at the moment and do   f  u  c  k   all. A great keeper makes a huge difference, and out of Marinovic and Gleeson its probably Gleeson who would be more likely to come back
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If they want to come back.  A settled life in Portland may be more tempting than coming home to Wellington.  Money isn't always the only driving factor.

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Hard News wrote:

If they want to come back.  A settled life in Portland may be more tempting than coming home to Wellington.  Money isn't always the only driving factor.

oh yeah for sure, I know its still probably very unlikely 
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I would need to be offered a lot of extra money to come home to Wellington if I was in his position. MLS > A-League and the consistently sold-out Providence Park > the cavernous RoF.

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Starts petition to have Oska deported back to Dunedin.

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Oska why State a fact when rumour and speculation are more entertaining?

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Hard News wrote:

Starts petition to have Oska deported back to Dunedin.

Also, Forsyth Barr Stadium > Westpac Stadium
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I don't think anyone really argues with either point but at the same time it's not like we have any other options.

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Oska wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Starts petition to have Oska deported back to Dunedin.

Also, Forsyth Barr Stadium > Westpac Stadium

This is the real Southern Expansion

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Nz_Dave wrote:

Oska wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Starts petition to have Oska deported back to Dunedin.

Also, Forsyth Barr Stadium > Westpac Stadium

This is the real Southern Expansion

I'm working on the application as we speak.

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Framing Plus Southern SharkCods?

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Brown Bear wrote:

coochiee wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'm also fully aware that being an All White/playing for Colorado under Anthony Hudson is not an automatic mark of quality

Even if Wynne has just been named in MLS team of the week, and Colorado tracking okay in MLS?

The Phoenix would be better off with Bill Tuiloma, Elliot Collier, Jake Gleeson, Stefan Marinovic etc. Especially a quality keeper without losing an import slot. I assume though these players are a lot better off playing MLS than for Wellington?

You could argue that before the MLS kicked off Collier and especially Tuiloma would get more minutes at the Nix, but as of late both have been playing really well and getting regular minutes so thats not entirely valid anymore. Gleeson and Marinovic probably wouldn't give up being the starting keepers for decent MLS clubs though

In saying that though Gleeson is only on about 150k, surely we could tempt him home if we offer him 200-250k? I know thats a lot of money but guys like McGlinchey are on way more at the moment and do   f  u  c  k   all. A great keeper makes a huge difference, and out of Marinovic and Gleeson its probably Gleeson who would be more likely to come back

Would the 150k not be USD.  Were do you find our current players wages?
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The rumour mill.

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All well and good but needs to be read alongside the next one which is What players Can Receive Outside the Salary Cap. Would suggest some clubs are spending plenty here all with FFA approval.
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...or at least a blind eye.

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Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Sydney City spring to mind. Remember when Perth got caught out with Keown?

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one_eyed_nik wrote:

bunter wrote:

The coach doesn't pick the best players - easy as that.

The team needs a coach who knows who the best players are.

<snip>

My starting 11 FWIW:

Velaphi

Galloway  Durante  Fox  Parkhouse 

  McGlinchey Ljujic  Singh

Krishna  Kaludjerovic  Burns

Subs:

Italiano

Doyle

Paracki

Rossi

Mullen

In reserve:

Cacache

Lowry

Sail

McGarry - maybe.

That team is competitive.

You my friend have no idea! Bit like Kalezic

One-eyed-nik, hope you enjoyed the game last night. I'd agree DK didn't pick the best players he had.

Last night they fielded my starting 11 above, more or less.

Differences:

Sail for Velaphi - forced by injury. Maybe Italiano was a better choice. Sail made one excellent save ,and a few errors.

Cacache for Parkhouse - yes. Cacache has obviously come on. Some beautiful runs. Skillful player. Not completely reliable on defence yet, and I'd call his battle vs Arzani a draw, which is excellent vs a player who looks good enough for a higher league. 

Paracki for Kaludjerovic - well, I'd have both on and Burns off, on recent form.

I haven't quoted the original post in full, it's a bit blunt, but enough to say that you don't win many games with ten players.

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"We didn't get it right this year. We are not going to hide from that and we've been through a pretty honest evaluation of where we need to be next year to ensure that we will not find ourselves in the same position again.

"There are some changes we've made already and we'll make more before we hit the start of season 2018/19."

- David Dome in last night's match program

Listen here Fudgeface
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Doloras wrote:

"We didn't get it right this year. We are not going to hide from that and we've been through a pretty honest evaluation of where we need to be next year to ensure that we will not find ourselves in the same position again.

"There are some changes we've made already and we'll make more before we hit the start of season 2018/19."

- David Dome in last night's match program

It's almost as though he isn't as deluded as some on here would lead you to believe.
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I would say that one of the biggest mistakes has probably been repeated though - not having the new coach in place prior to the end of the season despite losing the coach mid season.  I realise this time there was a lot less time, but they probably should have been looking prior to his actual resignation - it was must have been clear there were irreconcilable differences.

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patrick478 wrote:

Doloras wrote:

"We didn't get it right this year. We are not going to hide from that and we've been through a pretty honest evaluation of where we need to be next year to ensure that we will not find ourselves in the same position again.

"There are some changes we've made already and we'll make more before we hit the start of season 2018/19."

- David Dome in last night's match program

It's almost as though he isn't as deluded as some on here would lead you to believe.

So what has he said there that identifies the issues or offers a solution?  Just sounds like spin. If you follow any lower league football in the UK you hear this sort of stuff all the time. 

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patrick478 wrote:

Doloras wrote:

"We didn't get it right this year. We are not going to hide from that and we've been through a pretty honest evaluation of where we need to be next year to ensure that we will not find ourselves in the same position again.

"There are some changes we've made already and we'll make more before we hit the start of season 2018/19."

- David Dome in last night's match program

It's almost as though he isn't as deluded as some on here would lead you to believe.

Because he's written something in a programme ?

What would you expect him to say ?

"We fcked it up, we don't give a crap, expect more of the same next year"

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patrick478 wrote:

Doloras wrote:

"We didn't get it right this year. We are not going to hide from that and we've been through a pretty honest evaluation of where we need to be next year to ensure that we will not find ourselves in the same position again.

"There are some changes we've made already and we'll make more before we hit the start of season 2018/19."

- David Dome in last night's match program

It's almost as though he isn't as deluded as some on here would lead you to believe.

same tired old shark different season. 

Tell me. What has the club done well over the last two or three seasons ? Developed 2 or 3 young players and re branded.  Help me out here

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sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Doloras wrote:

"We didn't get it right this year. We are not going to hide from that and we've been through a pretty honest evaluation of where we need to be next year to ensure that we will not find ourselves in the same position again.

"There are some changes we've made already and we'll make more before we hit the start of season 2018/19."

- David Dome in last night's match program

It's almost as though he isn't as deluded as some on here would lead you to believe.

same tired old shark different season. 

Tell me. What has the club done well over the last two or three seasons ? Developed 2 or 3 young players and re branded.  Help me out here

Has the rebranding been successful? I don’t think so, and if anythng it took management’s eyes away from where they should have been. 

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aitkenmike wrote:

I would say that one of the biggest mistakes has probably been repeated though - not having the new coach in place prior to the end of the season despite losing the coach mid season.  I realise this time there was a lot less time, but they probably should have been looking prior to his actual resignation - it was must have been clear there were irreconcilable differences.

Yep helped CCM a treat!
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Blew.2 wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

I would say that one of the biggest mistakes has probably been repeated though - not having the new coach in place prior to the end of the season despite losing the coach mid season.  I realise this time there was a lot less time, but they probably should have been looking prior to his actual resignation - it was must have been clear there were irreconcilable differences.

Yep helped CCM a treat!

I'm not saying it would have helped this season,  i'm saying going into the off season with a new coach who has to rebuild an entire squad without having any idea from contact with the squad who he can work with, who fits his plans, who he sees having potential.... will effect next season.

It is exactly what happened last off season, and I think it played a part in the catastrophe of this season.

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aitkenmike wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

I would say that one of the biggest mistakes has probably been repeated though - not having the new coach in place prior to the end of the season despite losing the coach mid season.  I realise this time there was a lot less time, but they probably should have been looking prior to his actual resignation - it was must have been clear there were irreconcilable differences.

Yep helped CCM a treat!

I'm not saying it would have helped this season,  i'm saying going into the off season with a new coach who has to rebuild an entire squad without having any idea from contact with the squad who he can work with, who fits his plans, who he sees having potential.... will effect next season.

It is exactly what happened last off season, and I think it played a part in the catastrophe of this season.

You would think it was the candidate more than the timing of appointment. (Rado no Pro licence? could not coach alone)
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Blew.2 wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

I would say that one of the biggest mistakes has probably been repeated though - not having the new coach in place prior to the end of the season despite losing the coach mid season.  I realise this time there was a lot less time, but they probably should have been looking prior to his actual resignation - it was must have been clear there were irreconcilable differences.

Yep helped CCM a treat!

I'm not saying it would have helped this season,  i'm saying going into the off season with a new coach who has to rebuild an entire squad without having any idea from contact with the squad who he can work with, who fits his plans, who he sees having potential.... will effect next season.

It is exactly what happened last off season, and I think it played a part in the catastrophe of this season.

You would think it was the candidate more than the timing of appointment. (Rado no Pro licence? could not coach alone)

Rado was Australian though so didn't have to have a pro licence no?

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North Queensland's crowds were higher then ours this season, Fury died there after but yeah just pointing things out.

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shame they folded

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Royz wrote:

North Queensland's crowds were higher then ours this season, .

Depends how you stack the STATs - Their 2017/18 attendance was Zero - But Fox is always looking for staff

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Nice to hear on the A League Hour from Bozza "Wellington have done the A League proud" talking about the fighting performances despite being out of the play off contention.

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So [based on whats recently been posted in another thread and a hint Ricki Herbert gave in a RS interview, is Durante the problem with the Phoenix?

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So [based on whats recently been posted in another thread and a hint Ricki Herbert gave in a RS interview, is Durante the problem with the Phoenix?

If he is the problem surely we would have seen a (release) Twitter goodbye Wellington  
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Blew.2 wrote:

So [based on whats recently been posted in another thread and a hint Ricki Herbert gave in a RS interview, is Durante the problem with the Phoenix?

If he is the problem surely we would have seen a (release) Twitter goodbye Wellington  

That doesn't necessarily follow though does it? Does anyone have any actual and factual information?
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I don't know if he's the problem or not, but we've all worked with people who are disruptive and hard to work with yet still stay on and even get promotions because they're tight with management.

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Underwhelming email from the Nix - cheers for that. 

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