The Great 2016/17 Coaching Saga

Heard that maybe it's because we were angry at Ramon/Auckland City for helping WSW recruit Spanish players.

Would be stupidly petty to not hire the guy on that basis alone. Again, don't hate the player, hate the game

Stupid on his part if he carries a torch for it still too.

Does he hold the qual required to be an A-League coach?

According to this article he does not:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/874...

You'd think that would have become known during the Roar negotiations (and maybe that's why he didn't get the Roar job) and he would have rectified it in the lengthy off season of the SS Premiership.

"We don't know about New Zealand coaches, we haven't had those discussions with the FFA, so I don't know what their position is on that."

Shambles

The relevant doc seems to be this one FYI.

Minimum Coaching requirements

No real guidance in there on if there are any exemptions or exceptions to that list.

It's only a shambles if they are going to hire a NZ based coach who doesn't have the qualifications. I don't know what Greenacre has.

Reasonably sure he has a UEFA 'A' License

According to his LinkedIn, he does.

So neither Ramon or Greenacre have the correct qualifications to coach in the A-League.

I wonder what they're doing, it's not as if they don't have long off seasons to do their diplomas.

I think I'd prefer a coach that has previously been a head coach somewhere else first. So that rules out Greenacre (I think).

All this talk of people who don't have a Pro Licence, and no mention of the fact that Des has it...

 

If anything can be said with certainty about the rules of the A-League it is that exemptions are always available.

the goalkeeping coach?

Current interim co-manager. He has far more experience in coaching than Greenacre does, and a pro licence.

I realise it's commonplace around the world, but I just don't see what right associations have to tell clubs what qualifications their coaches must have.  Surely it's only the clubs business what criteria they wish to have when selecting a coach?

According to Google Des was quite well reguarded in the Oxford United youth setup, I've read he was manager of the first team in NZ press releases but nothing elsewhere, he's also listed as the 1st team manager for the Wellington Phoenix since 2015 on his Linked In profile (rather than assistant manager), so it might be an english thing to talk up your CV somewhat (like including age group results with your national team results, at least Des doesn't have his own Wikipedia page to maintain).

It's pretty disappointing that NZ coaches haven't gotten their diploma and shows a lack of ambition, apparently a caretaker can only run the team for a few months without the Diploma so if a new coach isn't found before the end of the season Greenacre will have to step down and let Des run things.

He's listed himself as "1st Team Coach", not "manager". Because he was a coach, not a manager.

Was he the goal keeping coach for the 1st team at Oxford United as well?

For the last 20 years there has been an increasing effort to make football related employment more professionally accepted and respected.  

Its sort of like how a school has to employ appropriately qualified teachers rather than someone they like.

The FFA are fairly regimented when it comes to qualifications. However, if you are "working towards" a specified qualification this is deemed as satisfactory.

Chris has his A and Des his Pro. This allows both to coach in the A-League.

However, coaches were advised that if they did not have the required qualifications or were not on a specific timeline to acquire them, that satisfied the FFA, then they would not be allowed to take their place on the touchline.

This does not apply in many other leagues around the world, but is a regulation in others.

It also seems that "some" licences around the world are perceived as being more prestigious. This doesn't make any sense, as these licences should all be regulated by FIFA anyway !!!

There was previously talk about regulating the NZ Premiership in this way, not sure if this has been implemented.

If you want a job like this, best make sure you are qualified to coach anyway, then it comes down to your experience, your mana and your ability to recruit good footballers.

 

Youth.

Incorrect: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/dct/ffa-dtc-pe...

See page 6: Coaches without Australian citizenship or residency. Both Des and Chris, being British, fall into that category. Although if Greenie has his Kiwi permanent residency he would be okay with his A Licence (I think. The details of immigration law escape me).

According to linked in he was first team coach for 7 months:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/desbuckingham

 

I gave him benefit of doubt that it was actual first team coach rather than first team keeper coach, but you could well be right.

NZ Permanent resident, going by page 6 of linked document, looks like it counts as a local coach. A NZ Permanent resident is not entitled to a Special Category Visa.

Fox Sports understands Chris Taylor, coach of South Melbourne, has been spoken to and is well and truly in the mix for the Wellington job.

— Daniel Garb (@DanielGarb) December 14, 2016

I thought Fox sports were convinced it was Rudan who was going to get the job last week. 

Where's Hellasjohnny with the inside knowledge?

Does that mean no South Melbourne expansion?

relocate the Nix to new coaches home town. Win win for FFA

Bring back the Eager speculation!

I watched a season of highlights of SMFC when Musa and Eager were playing. I liked Taylor.  Quite a calm, funny sort of dude. Think he's had reasonable success. Think it could work out well. This would be a positive move by the club IMO.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/ramon-tribulietx-co...

Ramon seems to think if you're a resident of the country that you're coaching in then you only need an A license. It could be that that is the intent of the rule for the A-League and the FFA will be lenient (a big if).

I have no idea what you have to for a pro license. But if you played 10+ years professional football, been an assistant coach for 4+ years in a pro team this should be not more than a couple of tests you can do in a week. You need less time to become doctor or fly a plane. We talking about football?

Apparently it's a course which takes about 200 hours to complete, most coaches do over the course of a year so I guess it's part time.  Hardly arduous considering the off-seasons that these coaches get, I'd imagine that the Phoenix would pay for the course for Greenacre as well.

South Melbourne have announced that they're going to sign a marquee player and high profile coach for next years season, so I guess their bid is still alive.

Wouldn't it be ironic if they signed Ernie and we signed Taylor.

New club captain too...

starts with E....

From last night: 

Ambitious South Melbourne have upped the ante in their bid to land an A-League spot by locking down a European marquee player and star coach – both of whom could be announced as early as next week.

.........

"We will be an A-League club that people will love to hate, as well as love to love.”

Hmm. Last time a Sth Melbourne coach was appointed (Mike Stephenson) by NZ's only professional club (Kingz), that was the end of the club!