R7 vs Melbourne Victory | Tues 17th Jan | 7:45pm | RoF

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martinb wrote:

james dean wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

james dean wrote:

And we finally play Roly closer to goal and look what happens!

Plus watching Smeltz we never really replaced him at all. Man he's a good player. The not-a-striker thing was a joke but actually it was completely bloody obvious in hindsight

Ernie's selections and tactics really weren't' right for this group of players and now we can defend. We have a bit of grit and mongrel plus what looks like a bit of game intelligence, a team transformed from the walking dead who played for the whole of last year

So where do you stand now JD considering your stance about 5 rounds ago that this was a shark team and unbalanced.

Just intrigued for the sake of good conversation..

Well we have made one important signing in SMeltz.  I think we look a completely different team with Smeltz/Watson up top (although Watson is pretty limited so much better with Smeltz).  Lia is having a good season and I think that playing Kosta wider where he looks much more comfortable and dropping/playing without Finkler has actually restored a bit of that balance.

Well, I believe Ernie signed 3 or 4 strikers depending on how you count Krishna. 

He signed Griff, was important in Watson's development, signed Krishna and was important in his development and signed Smeltz I believe before he left. 

But the charge of tactical inflexibility is one that has stuck. We've played two different formations in our last two wins. I'm not sure how many different formations Ernie played, but the style and message were fairly similar. 

I'm fairly convinced that we would have beaten CCM and Jets with Ernie at the helm and got some momentum through these games with Mikey and Smeltzy coming on board. On the contra, it's unlikely he would have got such a strong return out of Roly and we might have shipped more goals with Parky, Doyle and Tratt playing further up the field. 

Interesting though that both Griff (and Smeltz if you count him) came in part way through a season.  Watson was signed as a back-up and is proving to be so...

Reality is though that he never went big on a striker, and never really favoured a game plan with a genuine back to goal option up front.

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martinb wrote:

I think the attempt to have competition in the squad failed because of A) McGlinchey's injury B) a late realisation about where Roly can realistically play for us. It'll be interesting to see how the other players perform off the bench. No dishonour in being Ole Gunnar in a champion team. 

So is A-Rod playing more of a holding role than a box to box role?

Very much A-Rod in a holding job. 

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valeo wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Fingers crossed Roly starts having fun again and stays with Nix

I'd be shocked if his future wasn't decided already. He will be gone next season, I have no doubt about that.

I just hope he enjoys the last couple of months with us. I'm going to miss his play - he's far and away our best player. I've thought criticism has been very harsh on him considering the rest of the team were playing like sharke and he was out of position.

I have said from the start that Gui is a poor signing and I stand by that. He's too slow to function in our midfield and to play with Lia or Roly. He's also a shadow of the player he was 3 years ago and the league knows all about him already.

Couldn't Finkler do the job Roly did last night?

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Does anyone know where I can find highlights (or videos of the goals at the very least)? I've watched all matches this season except two, and unfortunately this awesome display was one of them!

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Jaume wrote:

Does anyone know where I can find highlights (or videos of the goals at the very least)? I've watched all matches this season except two, and unfortunately this awesome display was one of them!

 Fox Sports Highlights
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Rosco wrote:

valeo wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Fingers crossed Roly starts having fun again and stays with Nix

I'd be shocked if his future wasn't decided already. He will be gone next season, I have no doubt about that.

I just hope he enjoys the last couple of months with us. I'm going to miss his play - he's far and away our best player. I've thought criticism has been very harsh on him considering the rest of the team were playing like sharke and he was out of position.

I have said from the start that Gui is a poor signing and I stand by that. He's too slow to function in our midfield and to play with Lia or Roly. He's also a shadow of the player he was 3 years ago and the league knows all about him already.

Couldn't Finkler do the job Roly did last night?

quite adequately. But differently. 

Roly is a massive presence there and I'd say is much more physical than Gui. Most of his great moments are surging forward on runs from the start of their half and either banging it home or feeding it for a goal...

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Rosco wrote:

valeo wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Fingers crossed Roly starts having fun again and stays with Nix

I'd be shocked if his future wasn't decided already. He will be gone next season, I have no doubt about that.

I just hope he enjoys the last couple of months with us. I'm going to miss his play - he's far and away our best player. I've thought criticism has been very harsh on him considering the rest of the team were playing like sharke and he was out of position.

I have said from the start that Gui is a poor signing and I stand by that. He's too slow to function in our midfield and to play with Lia or Roly. He's also a shadow of the player he was 3 years ago and the league knows all about him already.

Couldn't Finkler do the job Roly did last night?

It would be uncharitable to say straight out "no he could not".

However, Roly knew what was expected of him in that centre-forward role - he went to hell and back being a DM - so he had a motivation to excel, and he also had the benefit of having played that role already early on after being signed before Ernie asked him to move back.

With the benefit of hindsight it shows that a new player takes a while to find a place in a team even if he is on the park every week. That assumes he has not left his best years behind, which might be the case for Kosta - he was excellent at Roar having left Phoenix way back when, and played well at MV as well. The jury is still out if this is a case for Finkler. In contrast Smeltz seems to know what to do at his more advanced age (what skills to rely on) - less hard-nosed attack and more careful positioning.

In any case. Roly is more robust than Gui Finkler and remains more physical of the two - this might be what was needed last night. And finally, it might have been a precaution to bench Finkler after his long flight home and return, long-distance flights are not that great on a player's condition let alone the jetlag.

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Mainland FC wrote:

However, Roly knew what was expected of him in that role - he went to hell and back being a DM - so he had a motivation to excel, and he also had the benefit of having played that role already under Ricki Herbert (remember him?).

Ummm Roly never played under Ricki...
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patrick478 wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

However, Roly knew what was expected of him in that role - he went to hell and back being a DM - so he had a motivation to excel, and he also had the benefit of having played that role already under Ricki Herbert (remember him?).

Ummm Roly never played under Ricki...

You are correct, post amended

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Rosco wrote:

valeo wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Fingers crossed Roly starts having fun again and stays with Nix

I'd be shocked if his future wasn't decided already. He will be gone next season, I have no doubt about that.

I just hope he enjoys the last couple of months with us. I'm going to miss his play - he's far and away our best player. I've thought criticism has been very harsh on him considering the rest of the team were playing like sharke and he was out of position.

I have said from the start that Gui is a poor signing and I stand by that. He's too slow to function in our midfield and to play with Lia or Roly. He's also a shadow of the player he was 3 years ago and the league knows all about him already.

Couldn't Finkler do the job Roly did last night?

Roly's best game for us >> than Finkler's best game for us, so currently unproven

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Smithy wrote:

All we needed was Normo, Feverish, Marius and Van Hattum in the Zone and that could have been 2009. Good times.

Whatever happened to Marius and Cnut, haven't seen either post in a very long time.

https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/about

 

Marius had a 4th child and fell into the abyss. Cnut moved to Auckland for work and now lives in California. The only bloke really left involved from the very early days is Hard News, the Gandalf of football fandom in New Zealand.

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And he's got the cheek scars to prove it.

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martinb wrote:

Rosco wrote:

valeo wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Fingers crossed Roly starts having fun again and stays with Nix

I'd be shocked if his future wasn't decided already. He will be gone next season, I have no doubt about that.

I just hope he enjoys the last couple of months with us. I'm going to miss his play - he's far and away our best player. I've thought criticism has been very harsh on him considering the rest of the team were playing like sharke and he was out of position.

I have said from the start that Gui is a poor signing and I stand by that. He's too slow to function in our midfield and to play with Lia or Roly. He's also a shadow of the player he was 3 years ago and the league knows all about him already.

Couldn't Finkler do the job Roly did last night?

quite adequately. But differently. 

Roly is a massive presence there and I'd say is much more physical than Gui. Most of his great moments are surging forward on runs from the start of their half and either banging it home or feeding it for a goal...

Yep, completely different players. Roly is more likely to track back and drive us forward through sheer force of will. Gui more likely to lay off quick short passes or play a ball in behind

I feel like Roly can do everything Gui can do, but Gui can't do everything Roly can do.

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Smithy wrote:

Smithy wrote:

All we needed was Normo, Feverish, Marius and Van Hattum in the Zone and that could have been 2009. Good times.

Whatever happened to Marius and Cnut, haven't seen either post in a very long time.

https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/about

 

Marius had a 4th child and fell into the abyss. Cnut moved to Auckland for work and now lives in California. The only bloke really left involved from the very early days is Hard News, the Gandalf of football fandom in New Zealand.

And HN doesn't even seem to come on the forums any more... Is that because he died as Hard News the Grey and was reborn as Hard News the White?
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valeo wrote:

martinb wrote:

Rosco wrote:

valeo wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Fingers crossed Roly starts having fun again and stays with Nix

I'd be shocked if his future wasn't decided already. He will be gone next season, I have no doubt about that.

I just hope he enjoys the last couple of months with us. I'm going to miss his play - he's far and away our best player. I've thought criticism has been very harsh on him considering the rest of the team were playing like sharke and he was out of position.

I have said from the start that Gui is a poor signing and I stand by that. He's too slow to function in our midfield and to play with Lia or Roly. He's also a shadow of the player he was 3 years ago and the league knows all about him already.

Couldn't Finkler do the job Roly did last night?

quite adequately. But differently. 

Roly is a massive presence there and I'd say is much more physical than Gui. Most of his great moments are surging forward on runs from the start of their half and either banging it home or feeding it for a goal...

Yep, completely different players. Roly is more likely to track back and drive us forward through sheer force of will. Gui more likely to lay off quick short passes or play a ball in behind

I feel like Roly can do everything Gui can do, but Gui can't do everything Roly can do.

They have completely different skill sets IMHO, in general when Roly gets the ball all our forward momentum stops as he tries to beat a man, whereas Gui can put through that killer pass. I'd love to see what Gui can do for a large part of the game in front of our two holding mid fielders and with Smeltz to provide service to.

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Smithy wrote:

Smithy wrote:

All we needed was Normo, Feverish, Marius and Van Hattum in the Zone and that could have been 2009. Good times.

Whatever happened to Marius and Cnut, haven't seen either post in a very long time.

https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/about

 

Marius had a 4th child and fell into the abyss. Cnut moved to Auckland for work and now lives in California. The only bloke really left involved from the very early days is Hard News, the Gandalf of football fandom in New Zealand.

And HN doesn't even seem to come on the forums any more... Is that because he died as Hard News the Grey and was reborn as Hard News the White?

Hard News the Whipped

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Smithy wrote:

Smithy wrote:

All we needed was Normo, Feverish, Marius and Van Hattum in the Zone and that could have been 2009. Good times.

Whatever happened to Marius and Cnut, haven't seen either post in a very long time.

https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/about

 

Marius had a 4th child and fell into the abyss. Cnut moved to Auckland for work and now lives in California. The only bloke really left involved from the very early days is Hard News, the Gandalf of football fandom in New Zealand.

Thanks for the update Smithy

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Just noticed that Marco was marking Tratt for the second goal. Never going to end well.

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Tratt is a big lump of a boy, if not a fullback, he'd slot in as a center back no problems. I loved several runs he did and really created some attacking options. Inspired play by him. Smeltz is bringing so much to the forward line, such as organisation. His goals will come but in the meantime he is creating gaps and chances. Excellent stuff.

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Fudge him! Let's throw the game just to fudge with him some more!
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Nah, then he will carry on suggesting our recent form was a fluke.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Tratt is a big lump of a boy, if not a fullback, he'd slot in as a center back no problems.

He is a CB, he is converting to a RB for his shot at the A-League. He will only get better as he gets used to the position.
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He certainly looks a lot more comfortable there than Fenton. Perhaps now is the time to move Fenton back to further forward although I wonder if his shoulder is still a source for concern??

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RR wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Tratt is a big lump of a boy, if not a fullback, he'd slot in as a center back no problems.

He is a CB, he is converting to a RB for his shot at the A-League. He will only get better as he gets used to the position.

He could end up being a fantastic centre back with his quality on the ball

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just watched the highlights again. feels good. might watch them another 3 times before lunch...

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The full game game, well done, it was a good game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaCd66jPBXQ

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Lonegunmen wrote:

He certainly looks a lot more comfortable there than Fenton. Perhaps now is the time to move Fenton back to further forward although I wonder if his shoulder is still a source for concern??

I am sorry to say this, but I do not see Fenton as competing for a place at the moment. In the team that played against Victory he would not offer anything that we did not already have on the park. By all means he is a useful backup option on the bench if someone gets hurt but I suggest that otherwise he is not a first team choice in this particular squad.

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I expect Fenton to be released at the end of his contract because I don't think he is good enough anymore. A large part of that is gunshy because of his injuries. Its unfortunate for him but do we keep a guy cause he used to be ok or find someone that is ok.

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Mainland FC wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

He certainly looks a lot more comfortable there than Fenton. Perhaps now is the time to move Fenton back to further forward although I wonder if his shoulder is still a source for concern??

I am sorry to say this, but I do not see Fenton as competing for a place at the moment. In the team that played against Victory he would not offer anything that we did not already have on the park. By all means he is a useful backup option on the bench if someone gets hurt but I suggest that otherwise he is not a first team choice in this particular squad.

I see Fenton and Parkhouse as being very similar, with more potential with Parkhouse.

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Re watched the last 20 minutes. Gave a lot of slack to Kosta in the past, but his work rate and involvement in almost every attacks was super.

Also good to see that our right back scores with a header in a regular attack in the 90 min in a 1:0 lead, parking the bus was not an option, show the confidence of the guy.

Still buzzing. Hope we can keep the moment going.

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C-Diddy wrote:

SHITCUNT

Signs all Tweet with .KissMyButt  :-)
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Jeff Vader wrote:

I expect Fenton to be released at the end of his contract because I don't think he is good enough anymore. A large part of that is gunshy because of his injuries. Its unfortunate for him but do we keep a guy cause he used to be ok or find someone that is ok.

Fenton should be what Kosta is - attacking winger who can beat a man, put in crosses etc.  If he can't do that then he goes.  I have tremendous sympathy for him because he has been completely screwed over, played out of position as a young player plus the injuries.  But he has to compete as a backup to Kosta, not to Tratt, because he can't defend

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james dean wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I expect Fenton to be released at the end of his contract because I don't think he is good enough anymore. A large part of that is gunshy because of his injuries. Its unfortunate for him but do we keep a guy cause he used to be ok or find someone that is ok.

Fenton should be what Kosta is - attacking winger who can beat a man, put in crosses etc.  If he can't do that then he goes.  I have tremendous sympathy for him because he has been completely screwed over, played out of position as a young player plus the injuries.  But he has to compete as a backup to Kosta, not to Tratt, because he can't defend

I agree completely with regard to a deep sense of sympathy to Fenton.  But the team needs improvement and he is not the answer to any of the questions ahead of Greenacre and Buckingham.  Fenton is about the same age as Parkhouse and Tratt (they're all one year apart).  But Tratt is fast and muscular for a tall lad. He is 1.90m tall which really worked well last Tuesday night when Rojas tried to outjump him for the headed goal cross. Fenton does not have Tratt's muscularity or height. His best contribution came before his shoulder injury.

While Kosta at 1.72m is even shorter than Fenton he is not afraid of a tackle, he can score, and he can run. He played at good clubs before (he played surrounded by good players) which is a real bonus, and he is barely 26-27 so he should be in his prime for a winger. I have been critical of his performances so far this season but there were some encouraging signs last weekend against Victory.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I expect Fenton to be released at the end of his contract because I don't think he is good enough anymore. A large part of that is gunshy because of his injuries. Its unfortunate for him but do we keep a guy cause he used to be ok or find someone that is ok.

I sense Louis is a fighter and will not accept his evidently low favouritism from the coaches. He still has value to give on the pitch IMO.
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yellowsite wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I expect Fenton to be released at the end of his contract because I don't think he is good enough anymore. A large part of that is gunshy because of his injuries. Its unfortunate for him but do we keep a guy cause he used to be ok or find someone that is ok.

I sense Louis is a fighter and will not accept his evidently low favouritism from the coaches. He still has value to give on the pitch IMO.

Most people that get released from any employment generally do not like it but that deoes not change the fact that if you get released, you get released

R7 vs Melbourne Victory | Tues 17th Jan | 7:45pm | RoF

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