If this is a "natural arm position" - his arm is at 45 degrees below horizontal and his wrist is actually bent downwards as if he's making a traditional homophobic gesture - then I don't know what the term means anymore.
Where, exactly, would he need to put his arm there for it to be in a natural position there? Behind his back? Above his head? In a Nazi salute?
FFS. It's perfectly natural to have your arms by your side when running.
If this is a "natural arm position" - his arm is at 45 degrees below horizontal and his wrist is actually bent downwards as if he's making a traditional homophobic gesture - then I don't know what the term means anymore.
Where, exactly, would he need to put his arm there for it to be in a natural position there? Behind his back? Above his head? In a Nazi salute?
FFS. It's perfectly natural to have your arms by your side when running.
Managed to tuck his left arm away
Isnt one arm beside his side and the one the ball hits is extended away from his body though.
I know that I yell at my Div 3 defenders "keep your arms down by your sides if you don't want to give away a penalty in the box"
We just need to beat the "other" Sydney now. But they will have VAR on there side.
If this is a "natural arm position" - his arm is at 45 degrees below horizontal and his wrist is actually bent downwards as if he's making a traditional homophobic gesture - then I don't know what the term means anymore.
Where, exactly, would he need to put his arm there for it to be in a natural position there? Behind his back? Above his head? In a Nazi salute?
FFS. It's perfectly natural to have your arms by your side when running.
Managed to tuck his left arm away
Indeed. And do a triple forward flip and land in a salute to the sun position all the while keeping both his arms behind his back.
I mean, if all of us can do it, surely a professional footballer can, too.
Isnt one arm beside his side and the one the ball hits is extended away from his body though.
You mean, like he's just about to take a stride? Exactly. So his arm is in a perfectly natural position.
Isnt one arm beside his side and the one the ball hits is extended away from his body though.
You mean, like he's just about to take a stride? Exactly. So his arm is in a perfectly natural position.
Whatever the case there is clearly a problem with this new law when the football press and forums across the globe are continually filled with exasperated debate about yet another contentious penalty decision.
Problem with lawmakers is that they think it's their God-like responsibility to 'fix' problems without properly considering the ramifications of their actions. Like, in this case, how fed up it's making everyone involved in playing or watching football, to the game's detriment. The major topic of conversation every bloody week in the A League is the latest forensically examined handball shout, with everyone offering puzzled interpretations of decisions or non-decisions.
Anyway, who are these amazingly talented defender/actors who apparently have had us all fooled for years by their devious skills at throwing an arm in the way of a moving ball in the penalty area without getting caught? Is it really such a major problem in football that it needs to be 'fixed' by this ridiculous law?
Whatever the case there is clearly a problem with this new law when the football press and forums across the globe are continually filled with exasperated debate about yet another contentious penalty decision.
Problem with lawmakers is that they think it's their God-like responsibility to 'fix' problems without properly considering the ramifications of their actions. Like, in this case, how fed up it's making everyone involved in playing or watching football, to the game's detriment. The major topic of conversation every bloody week in the A League is the latest forensically examined handball shout, with everyone offering puzzled interpretations of decisions or non-decisions.
Anyway, who are these amazingly talented defender/actors who apparently have had us all fooled for years by their devious skills at throwing an arm in the way of a moving ball in the penalty area without getting caught? Is it really such a major problem in football that it needs to be 'fixed' by this ridiculous law?
What it does for me is turn me off the game.
Whatever the case there is clearly a problem with this new law when the football press and forums across the globe are continually filled with exasperated debate about yet another contentious penalty decision.
Problem with lawmakers is that they think it's their God-like responsibility to 'fix' problems without properly considering the ramifications of their actions. Like, in this case, how fed up it's making everyone involved in playing or watching football, to the game's detriment. The major topic of conversation every bloody week in the A League is the latest forensically examined handball shout, with everyone offering puzzled interpretations of decisions or non-decisions.
Anyway, who are these amazingly talented defender/actors who apparently have had us all fooled for years by their devious skills at throwing an arm in the way of a moving ball in the penalty area without getting caught? Is it really such a major problem in football that it needs to be 'fixed' by this ridiculous law?
What it does for me is turn me off the game.
Isnt one arm beside his side and the one the ball hits is extended away from his body though.
You mean, like he's just about to take a stride? Exactly. So his arm is in a perfectly natural position.
Understand what your saying and the photo may be deceptive but it looks almost like he is tucking in his left while extending his right.Lets face it none of us really has any idea whats going to happen once it goes to VAR about the only consistency being shown is that they arnt consistant.
Decisions really need to get back to whether or not the handball is deliberate. Even the VAR footage shows this wasn’t deliberate or even marginal.
can we get over it, please?
Thought thats what the forum was for to discuss things
That first quote doesn't really reflect the law as it is now, which is reasonably (as far as IFAB goes at least) specific on this:
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger (this is a handball offence)
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger (not a handball offence)
Like I said, it's pretty much impossible to run without arm movement, so there is nothing unnatural about that.
De Bruyne's sorted it out, why all the confusion?
"De Bruyne accepted the decision but questioned the new regulations, joking that players may need to lose limbs in order to ensure they stay on the right side of the law."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-spurs-handball-rule-law-kevin-de-bruyne-change-premier-league-a9064391.html%3famp
Decisions really need to get back to whether or not the handball is deliberate. Even the VAR footage shows this wasn’t deliberate or even marginal.
I dont see how going back to a subjective interpretation is going to solve anything, it's just going to make the situation worse. The VAR can show if a ball hit someones hand and where the hand was, but its never going to conclusively prove something is deliberate or not. Perhaps the problem isn't with the handball rule, which to me makes perfect sense, but the issue is that a handball in the box always results in a penalty which is an unnecessarily harsh punishment for what is mostly a minor infringement. Though with that said I don't know how to solve this issue without some sort of subjective judgement on intent which is clearly what the rule change is designed to avoid.
Decisions really need to get back to whether or not the handball is deliberate. Even the VAR footage shows this wasn’t deliberate or even marginal.
I dont see how going back to a subjective interpretation is going to solve anything, it's just going to make the situation worse. The VAR can show if a ball hit someones hand and where the hand was, but its never going to conclusively prove something is deliberate or not. Perhaps the problem isn't with the handball rule, which to me makes perfect sense, but the issue is that a handball in the box always results in a penalty which is an unnecessarily harsh punishment for what is mostly a minor infringement. Though with that said I don't know how to solve this issue without some sort of subjective judgement on intent which is clearly what the rule change is designed to avoid.
All fouls on the pitch are subjective, most of them don't have the consequence for an easy way to scoring goals. Maybe they simplify the rule, if you arms close, touch your body, and the ball hits it, it's a pen. No discussion, maybe sharkty rule, but at least a clear rule. The handball on the weekend clearly changed the direction of the ball, it was maybe on target, or to another player to score, it would punish us not given.
We may get rid of the pen for handball for these cases and instead it would be free kick. It more reset of the situation.
The worst on this discussion is all the conspiracy theory from WSW. Babbel had seen a lot of football, he should know better than that. They could not score when they where on top of us, and is was clear that we would play better after the HT break, that's why they lost.
Life. It's not fair. If I was a WSW supporter I'd feel very hard done by. They were beaten by Stefan Marinovic and the VAR. However we've also been on the wrong end of a number of VAR decisions. Swings and roundabouts...Let's move on. We've got a big game against Victory in Melbourne to look forward to.
If I was a WSW supporter I'd feel very hard done by.
With respect, feeling hard done by is the WSW lifestyle choice.
also that Krishna and Singh (with David Williams in the wings) were the kind of players people get out of bed and drive through the night to see. Krishna had a big Auckland following already and had been a club legend for a while and was at the peak of his powers. Singh, well, we can see where he's been since. As Rudan said it was a chance to enjoy watching him while he was here.
The current boys are great- if McCowatt is at the club in 3 years and performing heroics perhaps he'd be approaching that status.
Like the movies, stars sell tickets and Roy was a much bigger deal in Auckland last year than Hooper or Taylor (as awesome as they are) this year
Spot on.
In fact I would go so far as to say if Dome wants the extra 3000-4000 (Auckland Fijian Indian) bums on seats next game at Eden Park he should go all out to get him here as a guest player/half-time attraction.
If this is a "natural arm position" - his arm is at 45 degrees below horizontal and his wrist is actually bent downwards as if he's making a traditional homophobic gesture - then I don't know what the term means anymore.
I’m not prepared to supply the video I have seen but when you see the arm come down to meet the ball in the penalty area, deliberate or not, they are giving a penalty.
If this is a "natural arm position" - his arm is at 45 degrees below horizontal and his wrist is actually bent downwards as if he's making a traditional homophobic gesture - then I don't know what the term means anymore.
I’m not prepared to supply the video I have seen but when you see the arm come down to meet the ball in the penalty area, deliberate or not, they are giving a penalty.
totally agree on this point, his arm starts out away from his body while he is moving toward the shot, he then begins to move his arm into his body and the ball hits his arm - its a tough call but the right one.
Like the other photo going around which makes it seem like the ball was going to hit Taylor's arm when it hit his chest. People choose frames and angles intentionally to deceive.
Decisions really need to get back to whether or not the handball is deliberate. Even the VAR footage shows this wasn’t deliberate or even marginal.
I dont see how going back to a subjective interpretation is going to solve anything, it's just going to make the situation worse. The VAR can show if a ball hit someones hand and where the hand was, but its never going to conclusively prove something is deliberate or not. Perhaps the problem isn't with the handball rule, which to me makes perfect sense, but the issue is that a handball in the box always results in a penalty which is an unnecessarily harsh punishment for what is mostly a minor infringement. Though with that said I don't know how to solve this issue without some sort of subjective judgement on intent which is clearly what the rule change is designed to avoid.
All fouls on the pitch are subjective, most of them don't have the consequence for an easy way to scoring goals. Maybe they simplify the rule, if you arms close, touch your body, and the ball hits it, it's a pen. No discussion, maybe sharkty rule, but at least a clear rule. The handball on the weekend clearly changed the direction of the ball, it was maybe on target, or to another player to score, it would punish us not given.
We may get rid of the pen for handball for these cases and instead it would be free kick. It more reset of the situation.
The worst on this discussion is all the conspiracy theory from WSW. Babbel had seen a lot of football, he should know better than that. They could not score when they where on top of us, and is was clear that we would play better after the HT break, that's why they lost.
Of course Babbel knows better. The conspiracy theory accusations, temporarily diverts attention away from his job being under threat.
Like the other photo going around which makes it seem like the ball was going to hit Taylor's arm when it hit his chest. People choose frames and angles intentionally to deceive.
they sure do, the only "fair" way to look at it is from front on and live, this was the angle I first saw it on the telly and it clearly looked like the WSW player had his arm out and moved it towards the ball/his body as the shot was being taken.
If this is a "natural arm position" - his arm is at 45 degrees below horizontal and his wrist is actually bent downwards as if he's making a traditional homophobic gesture - then I don't know what the term means anymore.
I’m not prepared to supply the video I have seen but when you see the arm come down to meet the ball in the penalty area, deliberate or not, they are giving a penalty.
Mischievous? Did you actually read what I wrote? I am agreeing that it was a penalty, that his arm is not in a natural position. It was absolutely clear at the ground.
And you've got a bunch of replies already agreeing with you that I'm saying the opposite... I think some people read the name of the commenter and then decide whether to slag off or praise no matter what they actually say.
No need to go full Babbel on this. It is true Doloras that people agreed with Chris Kerr but I see it as people agreeing on it being the right VAR decison, rather than agreeing that you were "mischievous". It is only Chris Kerr that misread your comment, not everyone else.
No need to go full Babbel on this. It is true Doloras that people agreed with Chris Kerr but I see it as people agreeing on it being the right VAR decison, rather than agreeing that you were "mischievous". It is only Chris Kerr that misread your comment, not everyone else.
A goal bound shot that hits an arm and it would not have otherwise hit the body should be a penalty every time, so as to give the shooting team an opportunity to right the wrong i.e the ball would've gone in the goal if it had not hit the arm
I do have an issue with the seemingly automatic yellow card as I don't think the defender actions were blatant.
Time for the Victory thread to start, methinks.
.@wswanderersfc boss Markus Babbel has been issued with a show cause notice for his post-match comments after their recent loss to Wellington.#ALeaguehttps://t.co/pWAQgxeYv8
— Hyundai A-League (@ALeague) December 10, 2019
It should be a "show tinfoil hat" notice
I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.
I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.
I think various nix coaches have commented on how tough we have it in the league - referencing referee decisions - but none have been mad enough to openly criticize the refs during a presser.
I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.
I think various nix coaches have commented on how tough we have it in the league - referencing referee decisions - but none have been mad enough to openly criticize the refs during a presser.
Rudan (to his credit I believe) openly talked when becoming Nix coach, of stamping out such talk. Saying in Aussie the Nix setup were seen as having a weak mentality, with a constant 'woe is us' outlook.
Haven't heard Talay criticising officials much yet (apart from maybe the Fenton 'handball' decision).
I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.
I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.
I think various nix coaches have commented on how tough we have it in the league - referencing referee decisions - but none have been mad enough to openly criticize the refs during a presser.
Rudan (to his credit I believe) openly talked when becoming Nix coach, of stamping out such talk. Saying in Aussie the Nix setup were seen as having a weak mentality, with a constant 'woe is us' outlook.
Haven't heard Talay criticising officials much yet (apart from maybe the Fenton 'handball' decision).
Have a listen to the sideline mike...
On this one I am backing Chris Kerr. The arm came down - clear hand ball. Speaking of VAR, this from a friend in England about their problems with it....He's off then he's on again, Just a yellow says VAR. Blimey, soon we won't need refs or linos. Let the machine judge everything.
