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Jag

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coochiee wrote:

theprof wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.

I think various nix coaches have commented on how tough we have it in the league - referencing referee decisions - but none have been mad enough to openly criticize the refs during a presser.

Rudan (to his credit I believe) openly talked when becoming Nix coach, of stamping out such talk. Saying in Aussie the Nix setup were seen as having a weak mentality, with a constant 'woe is us' outlook.

Haven't heard Talay criticising officials much yet (apart from maybe the Fenton 'handball' decision).

Would this be the same Rudan who prompted a protest by A League officials (the covering up the 'Respect' badge thing) after he wasn't punished for his comments about A League referees and refereeing in a post match press conference? That Rudan?

December 12, 2019 14:00

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keefy_NZ wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.

and this year the most pens for any team. Dont think there are any sort of conspiracies against any team or rough deal from referees. Passionate supporters talking them up.

There have been instances this season where refs have made poor decisions against us that have resulted in lost points - worst is the ref not applying the rules correctly when WU player re-entered the field of play illegally and should have been a pen to us. Others like the ball not hitting Fenton's arm and a pen giving against us and the non red for the tackle on Ball against Perth. You can see our coaches reacting on the sideline to those decisions just possibly better at being composed during press conferences, whereas Babbel from Germany where being very frank is more common.

December 12, 2019 16:08

Nelfoos

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Bullion wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.

and this year the most pens for any team. Dont think there are any sort of conspiracies against any team or rough deal from referees. Passionate supporters talking them up.

There have been instances this season where refs have made poor decisions against us that have resulted in lost points - worst is the ref not applying the rules correctly when WU player re-entered the field of play illegally and should have been a pen to us. Others like the ball not hitting Fenton's arm and a pen giving against us and the non red for the tackle on Ball against Perth. You can see our coaches reacting on the sideline to those decisions just possibly better at being composed during press conferences, whereas Babbel from Germany where being very frank is more common.

Wouldn't call Babbel's comments "frank" personally - he knows full well there's no conspiracy theory and is more likely to be trying to deflect media attention away from the fact that his job is hanging by a thread than trying to make a coherent point.

December 12, 2019 16:25

asmodeus_82

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over 15 years

Jag wrote:

coochiee wrote:

theprof wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.

I think various nix coaches have commented on how tough we have it in the league - referencing referee decisions - but none have been mad enough to openly criticize the refs during a presser.

Rudan (to his credit I believe) openly talked when becoming Nix coach, of stamping out such talk. Saying in Aussie the Nix setup were seen as having a weak mentality, with a constant 'woe is us' outlook.

Haven't heard Talay criticising officials much yet (apart from maybe the Fenton 'handball' decision).

Would this be the same Rudan who prompted a protest by A League officials (the covering up the 'Respect' badge thing) after he wasn't punished for his comments about A League referees and refereeing in a post match press conference? That Rudan?

Yeah I think I remember him saying things like we know we'll be hard done by refs, always have but that we wouldn't look to use it as an excuse or something like that.
Don't remember him talking up the quality or impartiality of officials or anything.

December 12, 2019 16:29

keefy_NZ

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Bullion wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.

and this year the most pens for any team. Dont think there are any sort of conspiracies against any team or rough deal from referees. Passionate supporters talking them up.

There have been instances this season where refs have made poor decisions against us that have resulted in lost points - worst is the ref not applying the rules correctly when WU player re-entered the field of play illegally and should have been a pen to us. Others like the ball not hitting Fenton's arm and a pen giving against us and the non red for the tackle on Ball against Perth. You can see our coaches reacting on the sideline to those decisions just possibly better at being composed during press conferences, whereas Babbel from Germany where being very frank is more common.

so not rough deal/consiparncy but maybe mistakes? Big difference....

December 12, 2019 18:42

Mainland FC

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keefy_NZ wrote:

Bullion wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

I remember the days when we all just knew we were getting the rough deal from the referees every time. But I do not recall any of our coaches getting carried away like that and talking conspiracy in post game pressers. Sounded like psycho-Babbel.

and this year the most pens for any team. Dont think there are any sort of conspiracies against any team or rough deal from referees. Passionate supporters talking them up.

There have been instances this season where refs have made poor decisions against us that have resulted in lost points - worst is the ref not applying the rules correctly when WU player re-entered the field of play illegally and should have been a pen to us. Others like the ball not hitting Fenton's arm and a pen giving against us and the non red for the tackle on Ball against Perth. You can see our coaches reacting on the sideline to those decisions just possibly better at being composed during press conferences, whereas Babbel from Germany where being very frank is more common.

so not rough deal/consiparncy but maybe mistakes? Big difference....

Conspiracy claim suggests a wilful action while mistakes imply -at worst - incompetence, when they are not acknowledged / noted. When criticising mistakes you will leave the other side some room to answer / engage. A conspiracy claim will make even your allies hide.

December 12, 2019 19:39 · Edited December 12, 2019 19:43

harrymc55

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So we once again have all the armchair "referees" - depressing.

If you don't even know that football has 'laws', not rules, I'll ignore the infantile comments.

How many of you have actually read the Laws of the Game? How many of you have even seen a copy? But you know everything.

December 12, 2019 21:02

Mainland FC

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harrymc wrote:

So we once again have all the armchair "referees" - depressing.

If you don't even know that football has 'laws', not rules, I'll ignore the infantile comments.

How many of you have actually read the Laws of the Game? How many of you have even seen a copy? But you know everything.

We come here to exchange opinions, which are more interesting than facts.

December 12, 2019 22:37

theprof

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harrymc wrote:

So we once again have all the armchair "referees" - depressing.

If you don't even know that football has 'laws', not rules, I'll ignore the infantile comments.

How many of you have actually read the Laws of the Game? How many of you have even seen a copy? But you know everything.

unlike some, most of those who express these opinions have been doing so since day one - so we have a very strong vested interest in what is going on - rather than just taking pot shots at people for having opinions once in a while.

December 13, 2019 10:24

Chris Kerr

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harrymc wrote:

So we once again have all the armchair "referees" - depressing.

If you don't even know that football has 'laws', not rules, I'll ignore the infantile comments.

How many of you have actually read the Laws of the Game? How many of you have even seen a copy? But you know everything.

as much as it’s not really healthy to endorse your position, Jag and I know well what it’s like. Getting told by people that have never read the laws, never practiced them, never refereed (because of the abuse) that you’re are wrong.

I have branded these people “Trumpers” as they exhibit the exact same traits as Donald Trump and his presidency.

December 13, 2019 14:21 · Edited December 13, 2019 21:45

Mainland FC

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I have no doubt that we are all grateful to have actual referees contributing to this forum.

And yes, we expect that your knowledge of the laws would Trump our collective knowledge of them!

December 13, 2019 15:42

keefy_NZ

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almost 15 years

Chris Kerr wrote:

harrymc wrote:

So we once again have all the armchair "referees" - depressing.

If you don't even know that football has 'laws', not rules, I'll ignore the infantile comments.

How many of you have actually read the Laws of the Game? How many of you have even seen a copy? But you know everything.

as much as it’s not really healthy to endorse your position, Jag and I know well what it’s like. Getting told by people that have never read the laws, never practiced them, never refereed (because of the abuse) that your are wrong.

I have branded these people “Trumpers” as they exhibit the exact same traits as Donald Trump and his presidency.

might need to give you some "anger management advice"?

December 13, 2019 16:36

Chris Kerr

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I DON’T HAVE ANGER MANAGEMENT ISSUES!!!

:o)

Interestingly, at national league games where I’m assessing, I’m now getting a lot more queries from general folk on law because of the confusion VAR has added to the game. There is a slow burn on people wanting to know more about football law because of the VAR

December 13, 2019 17:18

keefy_NZ

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Chris Kerr wrote:

I DON’T HAVE ANGER MANAGEMENT ISSUES!!!

:o)

Interestingly, at national league games where I’m assessing, I’m now getting a lot more queries from general folk on law because of the confusion VAR has added to the game. There is a slow burn on people wanting to know more about football law because of the VAR

same here

December 13, 2019 17:32

LG

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almost 17 years

Chris Kerr wrote:

harrymc wrote:

So we once again have all the armchair "referees" - depressing.

If you don't even know that football has 'laws', not rules, I'll ignore the infantile comments.

How many of you have actually read the Laws of the Game? How many of you have even seen a copy? But you know everything.

as much as it’s not really healthy to endorse your position, Jag and I know well what it’s like. Getting told by people that have never read the laws, never practiced them, never refereed (because of the abuse) that you’re are wrong.

I have branded these people “Trumpers” as they exhibit the exact same traits as Donald Trump and his presidency.

Thanks for the chance Chris - "Fake News". I finally got to use it on the forums. We might not always agree but I still read and study what you say. And that is meant as a compliment.

December 13, 2019 21:57

LG

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On a more serious note Chris Kerr, I believe in England a player was red carded but the VAR came back and said it was only worthy of a yellow and the player was recalled to the pitch. This has to be a first. What are your thoughts on the scenario and with VAR being allowed to make that decision please.

December 13, 2019 22:05 · Edited December 13, 2019 22:05

Chris Kerr

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If you are talking the Norwich game, that is clearly not a red card so the VAR did its job correctly

December 15, 2019 08:12

LG

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Are they allowed to rule on things like that Chris?

December 15, 2019 21:53

Nelfoos

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Are they allowed to rule on things like that Chris?

VAR is allowed to rule on red cards, yes. (Sorry, not Chris)

December 16, 2019 08:34 · Edited December 16, 2019 08:34