Marquee
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over 11 years

hepatitis wrote:

There is no point to re- signing Lia just because he has "experience".

The league has passed his level.

It will show a lack of ambition if he gets picked again

Sometimes players can surprise if you stick with them e.g. how's this for an interesting fact: Bournemouth's entire back four in their win v Villa last Sat came up with the club from League One.

tradition and history
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9.9K
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almost 17 years

Jerzy Merino wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

There is no point to re- signing Lia just because he has "experience".

The league has passed his level.

It will show a lack of ambition if he gets picked again

Sometimes players can surprise if you stick with them e.g. how's this for an interesting fact: Bournemouth's entire back four in their win v Villa last Sat came up with the club from League One.

Yes, but Villa are bottom and are rubbish.

Marquee
970
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6.5K
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over 11 years

Leggy wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

There is no point to re- signing Lia just because he has "experience".

The league has passed his level.

It will show a lack of ambition if he gets picked again

Sometimes players can surprise if you stick with them e.g. how's this for an interesting fact: Bournemouth's entire back four in their win v Villa last Sat came up with the club from League One.

Yes, but Villa are bottom and are rubbish.

Sure. But my point still stands. Four guys who 2 years ago were playing 2 divs below EPL are still together but now playing EPL and not being outclassed.

Legend
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14K
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over 16 years

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

There is no point to re- signing Lia just because he has "experience".

The league has passed his level.

It will show a lack of ambition if he gets picked again

Sometimes players can surprise if you stick with them e.g. how's this for an interesting fact: Bournemouth's entire back four in their win v Villa last Sat came up with the club from League One.

Yes, but Villa are bottom and are rubbish.

Sure. But my point still stands. Four guys who 2 years ago were playing 2 divs below EPL are still together but now playing EPL and not being outclassed.

In fact possibly makes it stronger by suggests a key point is team cohesion and continuity, though combined with confidence sure helps.

Starting XI
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over 16 years

Steve-O wrote:

Bring back Reddy.

and North.
Starting XI
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3.5K
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over 14 years

i can see us signing zach anderson after his terrible season with sydney

Marquee
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about 17 years

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

valeo
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Legend
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18K
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about 17 years

james dean wrote:

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

I agree and disagree - when we've done well, it's been because of the culture and experience providing a good base for players like Nathan Burns and Paul Ifill to excel. However, carrying a player simply because he provides experience doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a league where every cap dollar counts..

valeo
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Legend
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18K
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about 17 years
RR
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Bossi Insider
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33K
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almost 16 years

SST on Monday night said there was rumours about us & the Glory chasing Zullo.

valeo
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Legend
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18K
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about 17 years

Wouldn't be suprised. Don't rate him, but not many options out there. Would that mean Doyle gets moved to CB?

Marquee
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about 17 years

valeo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

I agree and disagree - when we've done well, it's been because of the culture and experience providing a good base for players like Nathan Burns and Paul Ifill to excel. However, carrying a player simply because he provides experience doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a league where every cap dollar counts..

So what changed in the culture between last year and this year? Or did we just lose our best player? Did we lose a lot this year because the culture was bad? Not sure that culture is as meaningful as people make it out to be. 

Chant Savant
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12K
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almost 17 years

james dean wrote:

valeo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

I agree and disagree - when we've done well, it's been because of the culture and experience providing a good base for players like Nathan Burns and Paul Ifill to excel. However, carrying a player simply because he provides experience doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a league where every cap dollar counts..

So what changed in the culture between last year and this year? Or did we just lose our best player? Did we lose a lot this year because the culture was bad? Not sure that culture is as meaningful as people make it out to be. 

The players didnt know if they had jobs beyond the end of the season for the most part. Playing under that stress would surely negate both talent and culture.

Just because in nearly every American film made about a rubbish sports team there is an amazing if somewhat unbelieveable turnaround when a new owner, coach or threat of extinction is thrown in, does not mean it will always occur in real life

Marquee
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9.5K
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over 12 years

C-Diddy wrote:

james dean wrote:

valeo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

I agree and disagree - when we've done well, it's been because of the culture and experience providing a good base for players like Nathan Burns and Paul Ifill to excel. However, carrying a player simply because he provides experience doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a league where every cap dollar counts..

So what changed in the culture between last year and this year? Or did we just lose our best player? Did we lose a lot this year because the culture was bad? Not sure that culture is as meaningful as people make it out to be. 

The players didnt know if they had jobs beyond the end of the season for the most part. Playing under that stress would surely negate both talent and culture.

Just because in nearly every American film made about a rubbish sports team there is an amazing if somewhat unbelieveable turnaround when a new owner, coach or threat of extinction is thrown in, does not mean it will always occur in real life

Totally agree. And once the licence was sorted they were already thinking about next year. It's not just about the players either - coaching staff and admin staff too. The whole club was facing that.

Losing Burns was definitely a factor too, but there was evidence near the end of last season that his purple patch was over anyway. We also lost depth across the park which wasn't replaced. Sarpong was a waste of space and the injuries to Krishna and Siggy hurt us. Last year we could have had Cunningham and Boxall come in for those guys.

valeo
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Legend
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18K
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about 17 years
C-Diddy wrote:
james dean wrote:
valeo wrote:
james dean wrote:
Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

I agree and disagree - when we've done well, it's been because of the culture and experience providing a good base for players like Nathan Burns and Paul Ifill to excel. However, carrying a player simply because he provides experience doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a league where every cap dollar counts..

So what changed in the culture between last year and this year? Or did we just lose our best player? Did we lose a lot this year because the culture was bad? Not sure that culture is as meaningful as people make it out to be. 

The players didnt know if they had jobs beyond the end of the season for the most part. Playing under that stress would surely negate both talent and culture.

Just because in nearly every American film made about a rubbish sports team there is an amazing if somewhat unbelieveable turnaround when a new owner, coach or threat of extinction is thrown in, does not mean it will always occur in real life

So what you're saying is that we needed Denzel Washington?

Cock
2.7K
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16K
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over 14 years

james dean wrote:

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

Fascinating.

So if I take your posts of a period of time we need to:

Sign the best kids at the age 14/15/16 because after that age, its hard to install good habits
Now you are saying stuff experience and get in the 17/18/19 year olds.

So your overall theory is that sign a top 11 and fill the rest in with really good kids and experience is not necessary?


Sorry if thats an extreme summation but that kinda the points you have made over the last 6 months and I wonder if you really know any more (like the rest of us)

Why is resigning Lia a good idea? Because you actually do need players with experience that can do a job. That job could be as a bench man, could be as an 'in emergency' situation or a person (and I think Ali Lauititi at the Warriors is a good example) that is around the squad, a good team man, knows their place and helps young kids be better pros.

I don't advocate a team of them but considering we are losing Manny and Sigmund, whom are said to be good pros, good for the team and experienced, letting Lia go would not be a smart move. He may not be the man to make us better as a player on the park, but sometimes, the things you need in a team to make you better, are not measured on the park. Let others like McGlinchey focus on his performance and being the best McGlinchey he can be. Sign Lia as a filler and a player than can help others be better just by being there (and I refer to experience, being a good pro and a good teacher)

Legend
2.1K
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16K
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about 17 years

C-Diddy wrote:

james dean wrote:

valeo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Surge wrote:

We need Lia to stay. Ideally in a reduced role but losing Manny and Siggy is a lot of experience and leadership out the door, both on and off the pitch. Vinniesta adds value with both and provides vital leadership support for Dura.

Such a bizarre argument. With all of that wonderful experience we have been awful 3/4 seasons. When we had the best player in the league we finished 4th. Focus on quality, improve the team, I cannot understand how resigning Lia is really being considered 

I agree and disagree - when we've done well, it's been because of the culture and experience providing a good base for players like Nathan Burns and Paul Ifill to excel. However, carrying a player simply because he provides experience doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a league where every cap dollar counts..

So what changed in the culture between last year and this year? Or did we just lose our best player? Did we lose a lot this year because the culture was bad? Not sure that culture is as meaningful as people make it out to be. 

The players didnt know if they had jobs beyond the end of the season for the most part. Playing under that stress would surely negate both talent and culture.

Just because in nearly every American film made about a rubbish sports team there is an amazing if somewhat unbelieveable turnaround when a new owner, coach or threat of extinction is thrown in, does not mean it will always occur in real life

Are you speaking fact or assumption that players were playing whilst stressed about next season? Regardless we played even worse after we secured the licence.

Marquee
410
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6.3K
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almost 17 years

it'll be great not having the boring licence excuse next year. "the season was a write off because of the licence saga" oh ok then.

I think it was more lack of skill overall than lack of desire that did us in. 

valeo
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Legend
4.6K
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18K
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about 17 years

Oh, definitely - we simply weren't good enough - but the license extension business didn't help.

Marquee
5.3K
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9.5K
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over 12 years

I think our recruitment was awful this season, and already it looks much more impressive for next season. The fact that last season, after coming 4th, we were only able to sign Sarpong and some state league players despite having the cash from Burns, Boxall, Cunningham, Brockie/Griffiths, and Boyd freed up in the salary cap shows me that licence issue affected recruitment. Whether that was the club trying to save money or players not wanting to come here, either way it's gone now as the Finkler and Kosta signings show

First Team Squad
200
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1.9K
·
over 16 years

I know he was only coming on loan which did'nt eventuate in the end but Alex Jones has scored 4 goals in the last couple of games for Bham under 21's

Marquee
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6.7K
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over 16 years

who id like to sign from the released list: (though im sure RR has info saying that they have already signed somewhere else)

Mate Dugandzic
Craig Goodwin
Bruce Kamau
Michael Zullo
Ali Abbas

plus of course the Sarpong of WSW, Piovaccari 

valeo
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Legend
4.6K
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18K
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about 17 years

No

Maybe

No

Maybe

No

Early retirement
3.1K
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34K
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about 17 years

Goodwin is the new Kruse.  No. Fudgeing. Way.

Marquee
2.1K
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6.4K
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over 14 years

Hard News wrote:

Goodwin is the new Kruse.  No. Fudgeing. Way.

There can only be one.
First Team Squad
280
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1.6K
·
almost 12 years

Hard News wrote:

Goodwin is the new Kruse.  No. Fudgeing. Way.

You're kidding. He's boss.

Early retirement
3.1K
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34K
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about 17 years

Whining, diving, foulding, petulant sook.  He deserves a Siggy elbow.

One in a million
4.1K
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9.5K
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about 17 years

Sorry, it'll have to be a Louis Fenton elbow now.

Marquee
4.3K
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6.7K
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over 13 years

Sorry, it'll have to be a Louis Fenton elbow now.

It may have to be Gulley's job. 

Louie's elbow may be a bit too sensitive for any serious defensive action.

Overseas
620
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2.7K
·
almost 17 years

What do people think of Cameron Watson? Not sure if he's the answer at RB but has tons of A-League experience.

First Team Squad
1.6K
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1.8K
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about 13 years

Wibblebutt wrote:

What do people think of Cameron Watson? Not sure if he's the answer at RB but has tons of A-League experience.

Would he not be a bit like-for-like with Vince Lia? A bit younger, sure, but is there much else difference?

Marquee
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6.7K
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over 13 years

dunnix wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

What do people think of Cameron Watson? Not sure if he's the answer at RB but has tons of A-League experience.

Would he not be a bit like-for-like with Vince Lia? A bit younger, sure, but is there much else difference?

A squaddie at best, in my honest opinion. Even so, not sure if he would be my priority.

Only 3 years younger than Lia, and an Adelaide City cast-off after 4 seasons, before he was picked up by the Jets for one season.

Phoenix Academy
140
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310
·
over 10 years

Phoenix's new marquee signing. Predominantly a right winger, John is also comfortable in a more central role.

Legend
7.2K
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14K
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over 16 years

LiamJ wrote:

Phoenix's new marquee signing. Predominantly a right winger, John is also comfortable in a more central role.

No dickheads policy? Once held Chelsea season tickets remember!

One in a million
4.1K
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9.5K
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about 17 years
martinb wrote:
LiamJ wrote:

Phoenix's new marquee signing. Predominantly a right winger, John is also comfortable in a more central role.

No dickheads policy? Once held Chelsea season tickets remember!


Just what we wanted    a key signing
Legend
7.2K
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14K
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over 16 years

martinb wrote:

LiamJ wrote:

Phoenix's new marquee signing. Predominantly a right winger, John is also comfortable in a more central role.

No dickheads policy? Once held Chelsea season tickets remember!


Just what we wanted    a key signing

Well really happy about Huawei signing for 3 years, and if this is the price, well it could be worse I suppose Kevin Muscat coaching and Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott jumping in the frame. Would have been more impressed if he'd put that shirt on and walked into a Petone NIMBY's meeting, but very happy with Huawei and some financial security around the club! Pretty decent phones too.

Marquee
4.3K
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6.7K
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over 13 years

Being a large Chinese company, having an important politician for a photo opportunity really seals the deal.

LG
Legend
5.7K
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23K
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almost 17 years

In this weeks episode of the Keydashians, john signs for a new club, meanwhile Max is pondering whether or not to go to China with daddy and spend some more of his money on Asian girlsto  pose with him for selfies.......

Marquee
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9.5K
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over 12 years
Marquee
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6.7K
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over 16 years

comedy gold in here. 

i feel the off season has got off to a good start. 

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