Central Coast Mariners - Better than the Knights

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Doloras wrote:

There are a lot of people talking about how there's no incentive for good onfield performance in the "closed shop" A-League, but how about there being no incentive for competent off-field management? I honestly think WelNix don't get credit for being frugal; some people would prefer a model where someone with more money than sense is prepared to personally subsidise losses so a club can hire superstars etc. Do you want Clive Palmer? Because that's how you get Clive Palmer.

I agree to a degree, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some kind of minimum a club has to spend? I'm thinking about minimum number of signed players but are there any other lower limits? I know spending more money doesn't necessarily mean better people but perhaps some lower limits might prevent some owners spending bugger all on the club and pocketing profits/asset stripping/just being too frugal like the Charlesworths, Palmers etc of this world. Its more than just players on the pitch that are necessary to make a club successful and by extension the league successful.

I'm not necessarily against a closed shop and for pro-rel to maintain a high standard competition, there are several leagues in other codes and around the world that survive very well without it.

I’ve seen this mentioned other times. Even I think someone accusing Welnix of doing it to the Nix. 

So I’m genuinely interested. How as an owner, do you asset strip a football club? I must be missing something.

I don’t remember Ron Brierley ever buying a sports team, to carve up into various assets. Where do these myths that owning an A League team, is a smart profitable business venture, come from.

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Who said WelNix asset stripped the Phoenix?

When they took over the Phoenix had no assets, they didn't even have paperwork as that was all left abandoned in an office that the banks took off Seripisos. They had a playing roster but pretty much had to rebuild the club, including building a brand new purpose built training facility with the council, creating multiple reserve and youth teams, and spending a fortune on state of the art sports science equipment.

What people in the Mariners fan base is accusing Charlesworth of is buying out the Mariners just for the Centre of Excellence and ignoring the team. But, that doesn't really make sense. He was apparently offered $8 million just for the Mariners license, he'd get to keep all these other assets that he's "stripping" and he turned them down.

Also, what's the state of the "centre of excellence"? Apparently the Mariners don't even train there. It's just a YMCA and a couple of small football pitches. Hardly the purpose built stadium complex with hotel and function facilities that was promised.

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I just hope CCM get their issues sorted. I hate seeing any team fold and was really disappointed with what Palmer did to Central Coast. The Fury too. I felt both teams offered something positive for fans. I'd love to see the A League as a 16 team league. More grounds and fans to meet and greet.

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What disturbs me is that if the NLWG decide to pull the plug on the Salties, then the assumption that they'll throw us a lifeline might be misplaced.

Unless they give us the Salties' licence.

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thing that gets me, is the idea that if a club aint performing on the field they should be cut from the comp. In reality someone has to finish last. It would be a really dull competition if everyone played equally. (0-0 draws all around). Promotion/relegation would make it better but first we need to get a stable 16 team div 1 league.

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Even when it is not your club being bashed by the Qzzy media, it does not make you feel good about the league.

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Well, you can't have Canberra Mariners, unless they're sailing around that artificial lake.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

History shows all over the world that if a club is not performing attendances will drop. It is swings and roundabouts. The sooner some owners understand this, the better. One day the Victory and even Sydney will experience rough results and their numbers will drop. It just happens. 

Perhaps if the Kingz or Knights put in decent results and achieved something, they might still exist with a decent fan base. The potential is always there in Auckland with at least 100k of registered players of various ages. All they needed was 7-10k show up. Get some decent players in and away they would have gone.

CCM will bounce back one day and their fans deserve it to happen.

The Knights we're robbed of a number of wins and draws due to inept kiwi officials.  Think Aucklanders are quite unreliable at times 

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RR wrote:

Non paywalled link to the article https://outline.com/bupqCp

Sounds like a solid move.

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Hopefully Stajcic can bring this team together and they can get some results in the next six games. They have played well in patches during the season and been leading in a lot of games. Shame for them that Oar and Harajie are injured. Going to be interesting to see how they react against Newcastle this weekend. Don't think they will win, but don't think they will lose by 6 again.

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Whoever they appoint for next season is gonna have a lot of work to do. From their best starting line up they are losing Pain, Millar, Aspro, Rowles and O'Neill. They will have 4 visa slots to use however tho, with only McGlinchey contracted for next season.

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I'd be looking to get rid of WeeMac if I could. Sad to see such a good player for NZ and the Phoenix continue to slide.

But their team at the start of the season looked pretty impressive, I remember the Mariners fan base were bullish of finals football and it obviously fell apart.

Apparently they spent the season without strength and conditioning or video analysis departments. They need to be investing off the field as much as on it.

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Doloras wrote:

Well, you can't have Canberra Mariners, unless they're sailing around that artificial lake.

Canberra/Jervis Bay Mariners?

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aitkenmike wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Well, you can't have Canberra Mariners, unless they're sailing around that artificial lake.

Canberra/Jervis Bay Mariners?

I'd go for  "The Burley-Griffins"

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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