ps isn't it spelt "demi-onion"
The Dominion Post
ps isn't it spelt "demi-onion"
If Terry S were to walk on water, the Dom Post headline would read GREEK CROOK CAN'T SWIM.
Dom post/fairfax/stuff.co.nz is so bias, that in order to read it's newspaper, every opposite view is most likely to be correct. Ever since the general elections, it has gone worse.
Interesting piece by Paul Thompson in Dom Post today. He makes some very good points espcecially about North and Dura combo and Herbert chopping and changing all the time
Interesting piece by Paul Thompson in Dom Post today. He makes some very good points espcecially about North and Dura combo and Herbert chopping and changing all the time
I thought it was decent. The thing I didnt agree with was the bit about North though
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/4396696/Time-for-Wellington-Phoenix-to-look-in-mirror
Not such a positive story. Some good points made but they are typically heartless journos (except Piney of course. He's a teddybear). Anything for a story, especially whne things go wrong. BUT the Nix are guilty of double standards a bit.
Not such a positive story. Some good points made but they are typically heartless journos (except Piney of course. He's a teddybear). Anything for a story, especially whne things go wrong. BUT the Nix are guilty of double standards a bit.
Millmow has been negative since the team started.
Millmow has been negative since the team started.
No no no. This straight-up honourable geezer says that he thought that the nix were the best thing for sport in the capital.
The article they rant that THEIR protocol has nothing to do with the Phoenix's - hence they can treat the team and the players differently.
If thats the case they shouldn't be grouping the "top players coaching academy" with the Phoenix media.
Its also amusing to read the guy state "they want good news - not real news" I think its more, "us news agencies in New Zealand want Sensationalist media and screw everyone else!"
Though it seems some what childish of the Phoenix refusing to talk to the Dom Post. Of cause the Phoenix's protest against the Dom Post could be completely unrelated to the money saga.
If thats the case they shouldn't be grouping the "top players coaching academy" with the Phoenix media.
Its also amusing to read the guy state "they want good news - not real news" I think its more, "us news agencies in New Zealand want Sensationalist media and screw everyone else!"
Though it seems some what childish of the Phoenix refusing to talk to the Dom Post. Of cause the Phoenix's protest against the Dom Post could be completely unrelated to the money saga.
Millmow has been negative since the team started.
No no no. This straight-up honourable geezer says that he thought that the nix were the best thing for sport in the capital.
That being the first positive thing he's ever written about the Phoenix. If he honestly thought of the Phoenix in such a way, he was probably too busy slagging the team off in every Sideswipe column to find room to put a good word in.
True to form, the only positive press he's given them was just a mechanism to give them more negative press.
BRING BACK FRED.
I don't even read Millmow articles any more. He is terrible when covering cricket - often quite inaccurate and biased, writes to create a fuss - can't imagine how terrible his football coverage would be.
f**kin Worthington couldn't do research to save himself. In today's article he claims that Marco played for Team Welly
Yeah, i read that and did wonder. Thought he might have been a quick transfer or something but then saw it didn't list Waikato and realised it was just incompetence.
if I was a journalist and couldn't even cross check my facts with wikipedia then I'd consider throwing in the towel.
Sack Sam, Bring back Fred!
f**kin Worthington couldn't do research to save himself.� In today's article he claims that Marco played for Team Welly
Also that he speaks Spanish and talks to Toto, Diego and Daniel in their native language.
Picked up a Dom Post today, having sacked them as a subscriber.
What an enigma of a paper. I have come to the conclusion that they are just alarmingly incompetent (rather than any conspiracy theory) and have no idea about football at all.
Great to see Marco featured, but the errors are embarrassing. So points for trying. Well done. Yet, somehow, the Phoenix (at GCU), on the back of a nail bitingly good game don't feature in the 5 to watch column. Yet the Tard derby and a rather nondescript gridiron match (even by US football standards) does. A bit strange that one - and I doubt if Hurricanes matches were ever ignored for the list.
And then there is pretty much a whole page dedicated to the Champions league and largely the efforts of Arsenal (all via Reuters). Weird? Trying to be balanced? Lazy journalism?
All over the shop like a mad woman's sh*t tbh.
What an enigma of a paper. I have come to the conclusion that they are just alarmingly incompetent (rather than any conspiracy theory) and have no idea about football at all.
Great to see Marco featured, but the errors are embarrassing. So points for trying. Well done. Yet, somehow, the Phoenix (at GCU), on the back of a nail bitingly good game don't feature in the 5 to watch column. Yet the Tard derby and a rather nondescript gridiron match (even by US football standards) does. A bit strange that one - and I doubt if Hurricanes matches were ever ignored for the list.
And then there is pretty much a whole page dedicated to the Champions league and largely the efforts of Arsenal (all via Reuters). Weird? Trying to be balanced? Lazy journalism?
All over the shop like a mad woman's sh*t tbh.
f**kin Worthington couldn't do research to save himself. In today's article he claims that Marco played for Team Welly
Also that he speaks Spanish and talks to Toto, Diego and Daniel in their native language.
I think that was Mike's point although he missed Diego.
I think that was Mike's point although he missed Diego.
correct indeed. Tag fail.
Well, at least someone talks to Toto.
Well, at least someone talks to Toto.
The club appointed English tutor doesn't............................ALLEGEDLY
Midfielder 'shafted' by game move
www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4559560/Midfielder-shafted-by-game-move
Now there's a headline likely to fire up flood affected Brisbane Roar and particularly their supporters.
Nice.
RedGed2011-01-20 13:33:42
www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4559560/Midfielder-shafted-by-game-move
Now there's a headline likely to fire up flood affected Brisbane Roar and particularly their supporters.
Nice.
RedGed2011-01-20 13:33:42
Typical Dom Post, starts an article about 100 games for Lockie and then descends into an un-necessary paragraph about Terry...
Flashy club owner Terry Serepisos has never been far from the headlines. He brought David Beckham to Wellington in year one, but as season four chugs along he has become bogged down by constant rumours and question marks on his financial sustainability. .... Sam Worthington
Just stick to the friggen story about the 100th game and Lochie and how he team have done since game one.
and another story from the Dom...
Paul Thompson
OPINION: We live in hope, but chances are the Wellington Phoenix's season is heading for an unsatisfying conclusion.
Yes, they might scrape into the top six on the back of some solid work of late and go into a sudden-death playoff.
But that game will be away from home. And the Wellington Phoenix are a freak show on the road. A train wreck.
What more is there to say about the woefulness that has more or less derailed their season and undermined some sparkling home form?
Perhaps this: the problem has not been one of preparation, tactics or ability.
The root cause has in fact been a lack of professionalism. The Phoenix, who are a handy side � just look at their home record � have often been shoddy and half-hearted away from home.
Somewhere deep in the limbic system of the team's psyche there must lurk a stubborn and wrongheaded belief that being great at Westpac Stadium is sufficient.
That explains why they have earnt just five from a possible 39 points on the road. It is also why, if they do make the top six, they are likely to fall at the first hurdle.
The away game on January 26 against Brisbane Roar underscored the Phoenix's fatal flaw.
Wellington played well that day. They were defensive, as they needed to be against such terrific opposition, and they nearly smuggled a precious point out of Australia.
What struck me most, however, was the fact they actually approached the match professionally, kept their discipline and tried hard.
If only they had applied themselves similarly on the road against lesser opposition they would be vying for a top-four finish.
These may seem harsh comments. If so, the Phoenix have two more away games in the regular season, including tonight's against Adelaide United, to prove them wrong.
The Phoenix go into the match buoyed by last week's 1-0 home win over the Newcastle Jets.
Make no mistake, it was a good result and the three points earned are like gold.
But the game was revealing in that it showed the current Phoenix side at their best and worst.
The best came from the likes of Andrew Durante, who has excelled this season, and Nick Ward, who can play a bit from midfield.
The Phoenix goal, created by Marco Rojas and finished by the much-improved Dylan Macallister, was sublime.
The worst was evident in the amount of ball the Phoenix squandered and the midfield's inability to control the game.
The team's nasty streak was also on display, with yellow cards leading to suspensions for Ben Sigmund and Manny Muscat. The passing from some players � Vince Lia, Tim Brown and Troy Hearfield � was at times amateurish.
Rojas also gave away a bit of ball, but more than made up for it with his ability to spark the Phoenix from out wide.
Few teenage athletes are worth the price of admission.
They tend to lack polish, consistency and confidence, and usually play supporting roles, often off the bench, while they are given lots of time to develop their skill, strength and mental resilience.
A handful, however, take a more direct and urgent route to star billing.
Rojas appears to be one of them. At 19 and just 1.66m, he is electrifying on at least two counts.
First, he is blessed with lightning speed and can attack defenders off both feet.
One incident early in the second half against Perth on January 23 proved as much.
Rojas once again picked up the ball in space on the left. He knocked it around one side of a defender and raced around the other to continue his run and cross.
It is almost a cliche move � often attempted on the training pitch as a way to show off and poke a bit of fun. And Rojas was good enough to pull it off in the A-League.
Second, it is rare for a special talent to be unearthed in top sport. That is even more of the case in New Zealand football which has its share of honest toilers but few players with X-factor.
To their great credit, the Phoenix are not only playing the youngster. His team-mates are also giving him as much ball as possible and shaping their game around him. What greater vote of confidence could they give him? If the Phoenix are to finish the season with a flourish, Rojas is likely to play the pivotal role.
- The Dominion Post
Had similar thoughts when I read those on here this morning LG.
Perhaps FootPaul on these forums may know this?
Who selects the lead line or headline in these articles. The writer or editors further up the line?
RedGed2011-02-05 14:08:13
Perhaps FootPaul on these forums may know this?
Who selects the lead line or headline in these articles. The writer or editors further up the line?
RedGed2011-02-05 14:08:13
nice one Paul...
TEAM HITS BACK
Wellington Phoenix captain Andrew Durante today hit back after a newspaper article accused the team of being unprofessional.
The article, by former Gisborne City National League player Paul Thompson, focussed on the team�s poor away record and the fact that the Phoenix has taken just five points from a possible 39 on the road.
Thompson said the root cause of such a poor record was a lack of professionalism.
Durante said he and his team-mates had no problem with their away form attracting criticism, but for someone to question their professionalism was disrespectful.
�It was hurtful,� Durante said as the team prepared for tonight�s game against Adelaide United at Hindmarsh Stadium.
�It was really disappointing to read something like that. I wouldn�t normally respond but the players weren�t happy to read that.
�We are only too aware that our performances on the road haven�t been up to scratch and we can cop it on the chin.
�We have been trying everything we can to turn it around but it isn�t easy.
�Every team that travels to New Zealand finds it difficult as shown by the fact only two have won in about 30 games at Westpac. There is the time spent travelling and sitting in airports, along with the time difference, and then you have to step up and straight into a high-paced A-League game.
�It isn�t easy, but saying there is a lack of professionalism suggests we are off to the beach and out shopping when we are away.
�That couldn�t be further from the truth.
�I was part of the Newcastle Jets title-winning side and if anything the level of professionalism at the Phoenix is a little higher than it was there, simply because of the travelling we do.
�We do everything possible to ensure our bodies are in peak condition. There are lots of recovery and injury prevention sessions. We travel in skins and have regular massages.
�The club has given us every chance to do well on the road. We are still in the six and if we make the semis �which we are in the box seat to do � it will be an away trip so we will have to step up.�
Coach Ricki Herbert said after listening to Durante and his team-mates express their sincere disappointment with what had been written about them he 100 per cent agreed with their feelings
"Lack of professionalism (from hack journalists) Phoenix's main problem (in the media)"
Fixed
Fixed
Whos Paul Thompson?
He's a whinger who pops up every 3 months or so to criticise the Phoenix. He's probably written 8 negative articles and 1 mostly negative one.
He seems to be a permanent pessismist ...
He seems to be a permanent pessismist ...
Had similar thoughts when I read those on here this morning LG. Perhaps FootPaul on these forums may know this?�Who selects the lead line or headline in these articles. The writer or editors further up the line?
The headline is written by editors. The article, for the most part is all the reporter's, although some times (unwanted/unwarranted) tinkering is done. That's usually for length reasons (so doesn't often happen online). However I'd imagine for opinion pieces the copy is pretty much untouched, apart from any style and grammatical changes.
As for the Paul Thompson opinion piece, I just thought it was not very well thought out. Sure it's fair enough to question our rubbish away form, but questioning the team's professionalism is nonsense, particularly if you're not going to give any real evidence to back that up. Dura's reply in 442 was solid.
Thompson has historically been overly negative, although one or two of his more recent posts were not too bad.
I hope this article rarks up the lads and they spank the cakes so bad that we end up getting a point from the game.
I hope this article rarks up the lads and they spank the cakes so bad that we end up getting a point from the game.
Maybe that was his aim!
Yeah...I doubt it too...
Yeah...I doubt it too...
�We do everything possible to ensure our bodies are in peak condition. There are lots of recovery and injury prevention sessions. We travel in skins and have regular massages."
Pics???
Pics???
Job done Mr Thompson.
How about a mid-week article about how the Nix unprofessionally couldn't finish of the cakes and Old Bling will spank them?
How about a mid-week article about how the Nix unprofessionally couldn't finish of the cakes and Old Bling will spank them?
another cracking article Paul..
I'm by no means a fan of Paul Thompson's writing but I really don't understand the (over) reaction to this piece.
OK, so the use of the word "unprofessional" might be a bit harsh but it's clear that he's using it only in reference to the way the Phoenix play away from home, not the way they travel or prepare or anything else (which is what the response from the Phoenix and everybody else seems to assume).
He's talking about on-field attitude, tactics and decision-making away from home, which I agree has at many times this season been amateurish (as evidenced by the ritual outpourings of angst on this forum after just about every away game this season).
terminator_x2011-02-06 10:25:11
OK, so the use of the word "unprofessional" might be a bit harsh but it's clear that he's using it only in reference to the way the Phoenix play away from home, not the way they travel or prepare or anything else (which is what the response from the Phoenix and everybody else seems to assume).
He's talking about on-field attitude, tactics and decision-making away from home, which I agree has at many times this season been amateurish (as evidenced by the ritual outpourings of angst on this forum after just about every away game this season).
terminator_x2011-02-06 10:25:11
I'm by no means a fan of Paul Thompson's writing but I really don't understand the (over) reaction to this piece.
OK, so the use of the word "unprofessional" might be a bit harsh but it's clear that he's using it only in reference to the way the Phoenix play away from home, not the way they travel or prepare or anything else (which is what the response from the Phoenix and everybody else seems to assume).
He's talking about on-field attitude, tactics and decision-making away from home, which I agree has at many times this season been amateurish (as evidenced by the ritual outpourings of angst on this forum after just about every away game this season).
OK, so the use of the word "unprofessional" might be a bit harsh but it's clear that he's using it only in reference to the way the Phoenix play away from home, not the way they travel or prepare or anything else (which is what the response from the Phoenix and everybody else seems to assume).
He's talking about on-field attitude, tactics and decision-making away from home, which I agree has at many times this season been amateurish (as evidenced by the ritual outpourings of angst on this forum after just about every away game this season).
how would you react then if someone told you you weren't trying when in fact you were?
Just did a quick search through all Paul Thompson's Phoenix opinion pieces. The good, the bad ... the lot. This is what I found ...
23-Sep-09 Time Herbert loosened the Phoenix's shackles
22-Oct-09 Herbert needs to try plan B; if he's got one
23-Dec-09 More mediocrity, or do they have heart?
20-Feb-10 Phoenix capable of going all the way
12-Mar-10 Self-belief might get Phoenix through
13-Aug-10 Phoenix, let's have another cracking season
11-Sep-10 Off the pace and off their game: Time to switch on, Phoenix
30-Oct-10 Muddled Phoenix have lost their flair, direction
6-Nov-10 Where's Phoenix's cohesion and confidence?
4-Dec-10 Appalling defence Wellington Phoenix's problem
5-Feb-11 Lack of professionalism Phoenix's main problem
Some interesting patterns there (the positive articles are post season 09-10, and then pre season 10-11, which talks of "another" cracking season).
You be the judge.
23-Sep-09 Time Herbert loosened the Phoenix's shackles
22-Oct-09 Herbert needs to try plan B; if he's got one
23-Dec-09 More mediocrity, or do they have heart?
20-Feb-10 Phoenix capable of going all the way
12-Mar-10 Self-belief might get Phoenix through
13-Aug-10 Phoenix, let's have another cracking season
11-Sep-10 Off the pace and off their game: Time to switch on, Phoenix
30-Oct-10 Muddled Phoenix have lost their flair, direction
6-Nov-10 Where's Phoenix's cohesion and confidence?
4-Dec-10 Appalling defence Wellington Phoenix's problem
5-Feb-11 Lack of professionalism Phoenix's main problem
Some interesting patterns there (the positive articles are post season 09-10, and then pre season 10-11, which talks of "another" cracking season).
You be the judge.
OK. Last word on the matter. Promise.
Here are the audited circulation figures from NZ Audtit Bureau of circulations.
I would call that a thoroughly unprofessional performance.
Obviously not trying hard enough!
Here are the audited circulation figures from NZ Audtit Bureau of circulations.
I would call that a thoroughly unprofessional performance.
Obviously not trying hard enough!