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LeighboNZ wrote:

LeighboNZ wrote:

I'd really like to know what you know exactly about what has happened since he carried out that vile assault on his wife/girlfriend. Have you gleaned all of your information from the media or do you know something else? I certainly don't know exactly what has happened or even if he has shown any remorse at all outside of the media gaze. So its pretty rich to base your quite rabid opinion without knowing all of the facts. I don't give a fudge whether or not he's on TV or just some suburban wife beater - what I do care about is people being vilified for things without there being any basis to back the accusations up. Yes, he committed an horrific assault and has been called to account, now you are saying he has shown no remorse etc etc - there is no way in the world you can know that. 

I take it you have never read the above article? So you've assumed I know nothing.

Sounds like you're making excuses for him.

Until I hear it from Veitch himself or his ex-partner, I'll always assume he's a victim blaming, violent person with little remorse for anything other than his own status and career.

Fudge me, did you read what I wrote? so the evidence you provide to disprove that you have made up your mind from media sources - is a media source??? give me a break.

...and your approach is to give him a fair go because he MAY have apologised?

If Veitch had apologised, he'd be the first to tell everyone who would listen.

Have you actually taken time to read the summary of facts...understand all that went on?

If you haven't, read it and you might understand by "rabid opinion". if you have read it and it still doesn't change your stance, then I'm  appalled.

A Summary of Facts is prepared and presented to the Court at the time of a guilty plea, there is no way it can contain events that occurred after it was prepared and presented. You don't have any clue about how the judicial process works, so I'll save you the problem of commenting on areas outside your knowledge and expertise. This is not an argument about whether what he did was right or wrong, its about people like you making giant conclusions without being in a position to know the actual truth behind the situation. I'm saying that you can't make those giant leaps with any degree of certainty, you certainly haven't demonstrated any logic to your conclusion. In saying that, I'm sure someone with more intelligence than you will be able to put such a case - you just haven't.
Listen here Fudgeface
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This thread has decenced into posters just having a go at each other, and if that doesn't stop I will lock the thread.

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patrick478 wrote:

This thread has decenced into posters just having a go at each other, and if that doesn't stop I will lock the thread.

Well aside from the fact he's happy to give the benefit of the doubt to a known liar and convicted abuser over the father of the abused, the fact he has resorted to name calling, that would probably be for the best.

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LeighboNZ wrote:

LeighboNZ wrote:

I'd really like to know what you know exactly about what has happened since he carried out that vile assault on his wife/girlfriend. Have you gleaned all of your information from the media or do you know something else? I certainly don't know exactly what has happened or even if he has shown any remorse at all outside of the media gaze. So its pretty rich to base your quite rabid opinion without knowing all of the facts. I don't give a fudge whether or not he's on TV or just some suburban wife beater - what I do care about is people being vilified for things without there being any basis to back the accusations up. Yes, he committed an horrific assault and has been called to account, now you are saying he has shown no remorse etc etc - there is no way in the world you can know that. 

I take it you have never read the above article? So you've assumed I know nothing.

Sounds like you're making excuses for him.

Until I hear it from Veitch himself or his ex-partner, I'll always assume he's a victim blaming, violent person with little remorse for anything other than his own status and career.

Fudge me, did you read what I wrote? so the evidence you provide to disprove that you have made up your mind from media sources - is a media source??? give me a break.

...and your approach is to give him a fair go because he MAY have apologised?

If Veitch had apologised, he'd be the first to tell everyone who would listen.

Have you actually taken time to read the summary of facts...understand all that went on?

If you haven't, read it and you might understand by "rabid opinion". if you have read it and it still doesn't change your stance, then I'm  appalled.

A Summary of Facts is prepared and presented to the Court at the time of a guilty plea, there is no way it can contain events that occurred after it was prepared and presented. You don't have any clue about how the judicial process works, so I'll save you the problem of commenting on areas outside your knowledge and expertise. This is not an argument about whether what he did was right or wrong, its about people like you making giant conclusions without being in a position to know the actual truth behind the situation. I'm saying that you can't make those giant leaps with any degree of certainty, you certainly haven't demonstrated any logic to your conclusion. In saying that, I'm sure someone with more intelligence than you will be able to put such a case - you just haven't.

My point being that despite all that when on, that he tried to cover it up, that he was found to be a liar and found to be guilty...you think he deserves the benefit of the doubt yet the word of the victims father has little merit as it comes via the media.

Ridiculous. I have no respect for anyone who says "...but what about..." in these situations.

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And then he wrote this piece when he basicalyl paints himself as the victim

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id...

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Only just caught up with this thread. Thanks leighbo for trying to spell it out. The guy is totally remorseless. I cannot believe anyone would give him leeway because he might have apologised in private. Guess what. He didnt. I'd put my life on it.

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That article 2nd best posted is also full of veitch lies. We know from the police documents that there had been previous violent incidents, not just one.

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