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Yeah, you've got me. Clearly these men have no connection and couldn't possibly be seen as working together. I should readjust my tin foil hat!
Does John Mitchell still have a Job?
The story begins with a statement from the Communications Manager of WPFC. The follow-up comes from statements from the club's chief executive and owner.
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Yeah, you've got me. Clearly these men have no connection and couldn't possibly be seen as working together. I should readjust my tin foil hat!
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Yeah, you've got me. Clearly these men have no connection and couldn't possibly be seen as working together. I should readjust my tin foil hat!
comms manager makes 2 seperate statements. "the club loses 1million a season" and "the players sometimes get paid a day late". The herald joins these 2 statements to make a "financial crisis" story up. The chief executive and owner issue statements saying this is NOT the case (the complete opposite of what you would do if you're putting your hand out for money).
I now see why you think I've gotten the wrong end of the stick. You haven't read the articles. I wouldn't say this lightly, but:
1. The paper was Sunday Star Times, not the Herald.
2. Mitchell didn't say the club was losing 1 million a season. He only spoke about late payments and remarked that, "For Terry, there are probably some recessionary issues going on � everyone is struggling at the moment, Terry included. He is obviously dealing with a lot of third parties so if they are delaying payment to him that affects his liquidity."
3. The Sunday Star Times joined to this a statement by Serepisos that, "The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."
4. In the Dominion Post follow-up, Pignata remarked that, "I'm not hiding behind the fact that running an A-League club is an expensive exercise and Terry will lose round $1 million this year but that is budgeted. I set a budget for him at the start of the season and we are on track for meeting that targeted loss."
Please try harder.
1. The paper was Sunday Star Times, not the Herald.
2. Mitchell didn't say the club was losing 1 million a season. He only spoke about late payments and remarked that, "For Terry, there are probably some recessionary issues going on � everyone is struggling at the moment, Terry included. He is obviously dealing with a lot of third parties so if they are delaying payment to him that affects his liquidity."
3. The Sunday Star Times joined to this a statement by Serepisos that, "The reality is the club loses $1 million a year. I believe in what I've done and I believe in giving something back to the community. I've done it for the right reasons, which is to give something back to New Zealand."
4. In the Dominion Post follow-up, Pignata remarked that, "I'm not hiding behind the fact that running an A-League club is an expensive exercise and Terry will lose round $1 million this year but that is budgeted. I set a budget for him at the start of the season and we are on track for meeting that targeted loss."
Please try harder.
same sh*t different paper...
I guess your attention span petered out after the first point.
So, here's the short version: you got the story badly, badly wrong. Almost everything in your synopsis was misconstrued.
So, here's the short version: you got the story badly, badly wrong. Almost everything in your synopsis was misconstrued.
No,i just dont see how any of that logically leads to "give us money NZF"
Tegal2009-12-30 03:53:09
The comms manager made statements that were made into a bigger story than it is. TonyP and terry s responded by saying we lose 1million a year and this is normal for an A league club (also that terry knew this when he took the license),and also that anything on late payments is just normal banking issues,if some of the players were with another bank etc.
So how does their followup comments,stating that we arent in financial crisis and saying that the newspaper article blew innocent comments out of proportion equate to asking NZF for money...?
and yes i have read the article/s and my attention span didnt peter out. Dont make me out to be an idiot. cheers.
WPFC put the story out into the press, and it's legitimate to think that publicly talking about the club's difficulties was an attempt to wring money out of NZF.
I dont get that reasoning at all, and didnt think that when I read that story.
Illegitimate I would say
Wait. Are you saying that you think this is unlikely, or, that it's impossible?
I dont think it is credible that this was an attempt to get money out of NZF
So unlikely, yes very.
Impossible, no, nothing is impossible, but it is way out there as a theory, too far out to believe without anything at all to back it up
We need some goalkeeping stats, quickly!
If the Wellington Phoenix wanted/needed financial assistance then they would probably approach NZF directly and professionally.
The club and the national body have strong ties anyway - why would they need a complicated and uncontrollable media leak to achieve this? Jonathan Marshall is hardly a stable conduit for such a story - wouldn't you likely go through a Michael Brown or a Terry Maddaford?
A conspiracy theory..? Don't be utterly ridiculous.
Never air your dirty laundry in public
nix should have placed a gag order on mister mitchell after releasing him from his contract, it's statemnts like this which can lead to all sorts of crap repercussions.....even if it is close to the truth it's not something that needs to be released in this manner. And anyway what a-league club isn't financillly stetched at the moment??? Thered only be a couple that are making money at the moment.
Last I heard John was still working for the club... and last season no A-League club made money.
Hard News2009-12-30 10:12:48
I think all A League clubs are expecting a loss at this stage, crowds have dropped slightly for various reasons. Not just A League but other sports in both countries too. I do believe the A League clubs are waiting for that TV deal to be established so that they can revise their various club budgets accordingly.
At the end of the day it's about getting numbers through the gate. In the phoenix's situation one thing that is beyond their control and one thing I can not fathom out is why the stadium trust continue to encourage patrons to leave their car park empty.
At $30 a car it is a straight ripoff. If they made it $10 per car, the car park might actually fill and that $20 difference is an extra ticket or too for a family member to attend. It's like they are trying to discourage it. not just for the Nix but other events too.
Lonegunmen2009-12-31 16:38:41
Think the Stadium carpark management might be outsourced LG, so they probably don't care.
I think all A League clubs are expecting a loss at this stage, crowds have dropped slightly for various reasons. Not just A League but other sports in both countries too. I do beliebe the A League clubs are waiting for that TV deal to be established so that they can revise their various club budgets accordingly.
I thought that was the original idea when the stadium was built, to have everyone utilise public transport rather than clog the roads with cars hence the fee being $30.00 to park for all events at the stadium. At the end of the day it's about getting numbers through the gate. In the phoenix's situation one thing that is beyond their controla and one thing i can not fathom out is why thestadium trust continue to encourage patrons to leave their car park empty. At $30 a car it is a straight ripoff. If they made it $10 per car the car park might actually fill and that $20 difference is an extra ticket or too for a family member to attend. it's like they are trying to discourage it. not just for the nix but other events too.
I think all A League clubs are expecting a loss at this stage, crowds have dropped slightly for various reasons. Not just A League but other sports in both countries too. I do beliebe the A League clubs are waiting for that TV deal to be established so that they can revise their various club budgets accordingly.
At the end of the day it's about getting numbers through the gate. In the phoenix's situation one thing that is beyond their controla and one thing i can not fathom out is why thestadium trust continue to encourage patrons to leave their car park empty. At $30 a car it is a straight ripoff. If they made it $10 per car the car park might actually fill and that $20 difference is an extra ticket or too for a family member to attend. it's like they are trying to discourage it. not just for the nix but other events too.
That is exactly what they are doing. One of the major points of the stadium being built where it is was the ability not have traffic. They don't want people driving cars there, they want people to bus/walk/train into the stadium, and extortionate parking prices is one of the ways of encouraging this. Its brilliant getting to the stadium as opposed to many other venues on matchday due to the complete lack of traffic.
No,i just dont see how any of that logically leads to "give us money NZF"
The comms manager made statements that were made into a bigger story than it is. TonyP and terry s responded by saying we lose 1million a year and this is normal for an A league club (also that terry knew this when he took the license),and also that anything on late payments is just normal banking issues,if some of the players were with another bank etc.
So how does their followup comments,stating that we arent in financial crisis and saying that the newspaper article blew innocent comments out of proportion equate to asking NZF for money...?
and yes i have read the article/s and my attention span didnt peter out. Dont make me out to be an idiot. cheers.
If I wanted to make you out to be an idiot, I'd have said that you read the articles and didn't understand them, even down to being able to tell who was being quoted at which point and which paper the article came from. By saying that you didn't bother reading, I meant to avoid that conclusion.
It's interesting to note that your synopsis of the follow-up comments by Pignata and Serepisos includes the claim that SST "blew innocent comments out of proportion". I am not as careful a reader as you, but I can't find that claim or an equivalent in the articles. But perhaps you are so wedded to this "media attack" theory that you have started to assume that everyone believes it?
For those following the competing "Mitchell is an idiot" theory, the hard question is, "Why hasn't he been sacked?" (There is an easy answer, to be fair: you can just say that he'll be sacked soon. Though I predict that this will wear thin.)
My reasoning is simply that: I don't buy the media attack theory and the idiot theory leans on the future. That leads to asking what WPFC intended to achieve, and a hand-out from NZF is at least one contender. (In answer to "Why didn't they approach directly?": it's at least plausible that this would be interpreted by Serepisos' bankers as a sign of desperation.)
I suppose there are people here who would rather go with a "it just falls from the sky" explanation. But even rain falls from the sky for a reason.
For those following the competing "Mitchell is an idiot" theory, the hard question is, "Why hasn't he been sacked?"� (There is an easy answer, to be fair: you can just say that he'll be sacked soon.� Though I predict that this will wear thin.)
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This is not a hard question at all, Mitchell resigned a couple of months back, but the club's had troubles filling the position, and he's consequently staying on for the moment.
Because John handed in his resignation months ago.
My reasoning is simply that: I don't buy the media attack theory and the idiot theory leans on the future. That leads to asking what WPFC intended to achieve, and a hand-out from NZF is at least one contender. (In answer to "Why didn't they approach directly?": it's at least plausible that this would be interpreted by Serepisos' bankers as a sign of desperation.)
Or it could lead you to a more logical option that John said something (on or off the record) that he shouldn't have.
You still have countered the point that NZF has bugger all money to throw around anyway.
On the occassions I have chatted with John, he seems a pretty straight up sincere genuine sort of fella. There's something not quite right about all this. Not John, Terry or Tony, but more something from the media reporting. I can't quite put my finger on it but .....
Whether the media have blown things out of proportion or not, I can't tell. But the concern is that we have players being paid late by a day or two on occasion. The one expense that you never mess with is wages and salaries - unless something is financially wrong.
And if Terry is just treating players and staff as per any external supplier and looking to pay on an overdue basis, it's also not good... what potential signing with options between clubs is going to choose the one with irregular wages delays?
My reasoning is simply that: I don't buy the media attack theory and the idiot theory leans on the future. That leads to asking what WPFC intended to achieve, and a hand-out from NZF is at least one contender. (In answer to "Why didn't they approach directly?": it's at least plausible that this would be interpreted by Serepisos' bankers as a sign of desperation.)
Or it could lead you to a more logical option that John said something (on or off the record) that he shouldn't have.
You still have countered the point that NZF has bugger all money to throw around anyway.
A quick logic lesson:
Not-A
Not-B
Therefore, B!
is not a valid argument. It's not even close to valid.
I'm not really sure why it matters how much NZF has to throw around. They have topped off their coffers, courtesy of FIFA, and have stated their intention to use this money to develop the game in NZ.
A quick logic lesson:
Not-A
Not-B
Therefore, B!
is not a valid argument. It's not even close to valid.
You'll have to be a bit more direct. In my hungover state I cannot for the life on me work out what you are trying to say.
Sushi B! is some of the finest sushi you will find in New Zealand.
My reasoning is simply that: I don't buy the media attack theory and the idiot theory leans on the future. That leads to asking what WPFC intended to achieve, and a hand-out from NZF is at least one contender. (In answer to "Why didn't they approach directly?": it's at least plausible that this would be interpreted by Serepisos' bankers as a sign of desperation.)
Or it could lead you to a more logical option that John said something (on or off the record) that he shouldn't have.
You still have countered the point that NZF has bugger all money to throw around anyway.
A quick logic lesson:
Not-A
Not-B
Therefore, B!
is not a valid argument. It's not even close to valid.
I'm not really sure why it matters how much NZF has to throw around. They have topped off their coffers, courtesy of FIFA, and have stated their intention to use this money to develop the game in NZ.
Though I think the use of the word logical before was in the sense of "reasonable; to be expected", rather than saying it met the 'principles of logic'. Of course, what's reasonable and to be expected is going to be the argument.
Personally, I think you both may or may not be right. Can't be sure either way, though time may tell.
Whether the media have blown things out of proportion or not, I can't tell. But the concern is that we have players being paid late by a day or two on occasion. The one expense that you never mess with is wages and salaries - unless something is financially wrong.
And if Terry is just treating players and staff as per any external supplier and looking to pay on an overdue basis, it's also not good... what potential signing with options between clubs is going to choose the one with irregular wages delays?
Even if the financial problems are no more that hiccups, it's still a bad look. 
We're already fighting to even stay in the A-League.
We need all the good publicity we can get.
My reasoning is simply that: I don't buy the media attack theory and the idiot theory leans on the future. That leads to asking what WPFC intended to achieve, and a hand-out from NZF is at least one contender. (In answer to "Why didn't they approach directly?": it's at least plausible that this would be interpreted by Serepisos' bankers as a sign of desperation.)
Or it could lead you to a more logical option that John said something (on or off the record) that he shouldn't have.
You still have countered the point that NZF has bugger all money to throw around anyway.
A quick logic lesson:
Not-A
Not-B
Therefore, B!
is not a valid argument. It's not even close to valid.
I'm not really sure why it matters how much NZF has to throw around. They have topped off their coffers, courtesy of FIFA, and have stated their intention to use this money to develop the game in NZ.
Though I think the use of the word logical before was in the sense of "reasonable; to be expected", rather than saying it met the 'principles of logic'. Of course, what's reasonable and to be expected is going to be the argument.
Personally, I think you both may or may not be right. Can't be sure either way, though time may tell.
My point was just that:If I say that it's not a media beat-up
And that it's not just Mitchell making an error
Then I shouldn't conclude that it's just Mitchell making an error.
(Aside: Mulder wannabe? Well, alright... I would like to hang out with Gillian Anderson.
)
But why isn't it an error though?
Or something said off the record that got printed?
Or something said off the record that got printed?
Time to move along I reckon.
Time to move along I reckon.
I absolutly agree Smithy, Theres nothing in it.
Sushi B! is some of the finest sushi you will find in New Zealand.
You need to post an address so us (one day) tourists will know where it is.
Also post the best pizza & pasta joint in Wellington, along with the best Souvlaki (or giros as some call it) joint in town and you will get a few of us there next Victory game
Thanks for doing business
DS
Sushi B! is the corner of Lambton Quay and Woodward St.
The best pizza is Pizza Pomodoro, which is hidden away on Leeds St. (between Ghuznee and Dixon).
As for pasta, I don't feel qualified to comment.
The best pizza is Pizza Pomodoro, which is hidden away on Leeds St. (between Ghuznee and Dixon).
As for pasta, I don't feel qualified to comment.
"But we would work with all parties to help the club if necessary."
So, I guess this means that the time has come to admit that I was wrong, that there was no chance of Football New Zealand helping out the Phoenix and in any case, the club wasn't anywhere close to trouble.
:)
O dear. You're still on this ay?
Bridging finance is not a handout (which you claimed the nix were after).
Bridging finance is not a handout (which you claimed the nix were after).
has John Mitchell still got a job?
O dear. You're still on this ay?[/quote]
I had largely forgotten about it, though was still reading the sports pages. If you'd like to complain to anyone about their obsession with football news, there may be better targets.
[QUOTE=2ndBest]Bridging finance is not a handout (which you claimed the nix were after).
I had largely forgotten about it, though was still reading the sports pages. If you'd like to complain to anyone about their obsession with football news, there may be better targets.
[QUOTE=2ndBest]Bridging finance is not a handout (which you claimed the nix were after).
The article confirms that the NZFC would provide financial assistance if necessary. Some people told me I was crazy for thinking that this was even possible.
So, all I really wanted to say here is: They were wrong, I was right, nyah nyah.
The article confirms that the NZFC would provide financial assistance if necessary. Some people told me I was crazy for thinking that this was even possible.
No it doesn't.
Not trying to stir up old events but I was just wondering, whatever became of Nathan as in what or where is he these days and so too for John Mitchell.