Marco Rojas (Brisbane Roar)

lol sour grapes, interesting to see how many of you bite. how old is this kid? hes not killen at the end of his career, hes just starting out of course hes going to make bad choices through his career but cant fault him for trying, was always going to be a big challenge for him. I'm sure he knew that and didnt expect to start every game there. Being with kewell the same sort of player positionally hes going to learn and develop alot more than training and playing with leo bertos and co. How many players from the phoenix starting eleven have been picked up by top overseas clubs?

Junior822011-12-20 13:58:12

Haha jog on mate, has brown played prem league? or at a world cup? (haha) aslo Tim brown is not the same postion as marco dont be silly. didnt say anything about gorgeous football just said he would learn more but once again you have to take one or two things and try define a player from what 12 games in the a league? thats silly, kewell has nothing more to prove, he proved alot when he was at leeds. Fact of the matter is you would take kewell if he wanted to come to the nix and if you were offered to go play in melbourne with thompson hernadez and co you would take that opportunity dont just get sour grapes because you cant and somebody has the opportunity to try somthing to better his career. nix did nothing for Kosta remember.

No.  No I wouldn't take Kewell, not even if he was free.

your an idiot then enough said.

You're

Don't be mad topright.

nice insults mate felt those ones.

really?

He's proved you can live on reputation for at least a decade.

what more does he need to prove hes already built a reputation, you obviously know who he is and where hes been.

I know who Tim Brown is and where he's been so by your logic he has nothing more to prove either.

FYI I have no idea who this guy () is.

I ran out of breath and died halfway through the above sentence.

Well, if it was all about learning from seasoned pros why would tops clubs loan out their youngsters to teams with lower reputations, many times in lower divisions. Why would Tom Cleverly spend 2 and half seasons on loan at Leicester, Wolves and Wigan when he could be learning from Giggs and Scholes and Jonny Evans spend 3 seasons on loan at Royal Antwerp and Sunderland when he could be learning from Ferdinand and Vidic?

lol comparing tom cleverly and marco is silly.. miles apart in ability.

But comparing similar situations is not silly.

Wasting your breath with one or two of these guys, just too bias

My personal view is that NZ players are failing overseas because they are trying to take shortcuts/ skipping steps. I mean sure ALOT of nz players and traveled all around the world trialing at top clubs. Majority of them dont even get signed. Sure.. some of them do sign.. but arent there very long. Classic example is chris killen.. He must have a world record for having the most clubs to his name . The jump from NZFC/A-League to Premier League, Scottish League or whatever is too great and the players cant handle it. They should be looking at K-League, America, Lower leagued english teams or something before trying to Sign with West Brom or whatever. Thats how Ryan Nelson and Winston Reid made it. You could argue that Chris wood did but not really. He keeps getting loaned out for experience. Same with Tom Smith, He kept getting loaned out till he finally got good and earnt a place in ipswich. Michael Built and Cameron Lindsay both got released because they couldnt cut it. Luis esteves signed with Portland timbers u23s.. got dropped, came back to NZ and now he cant even make the waikato squad. Tim payne is signing for blackburn sure.. But lets not confuse ourselves and think hes going straight into first team. Hel be playing reserves or whatever and most likely either get loaned out and dropped. Kosta going to russia was a great move! (sh*t lifestyle) but great football. We need to do it in steps and stop thinking that a league players can compete with premier league players. A league is good for marco.. hel only be wasteing his time trying to get signed overseas.. he should focus on being a regular starting for victory and bagging some goals first. Hes been playing shyt lately (missed a penalty, gave away a penalty.. he defs needs to step up). (apologies for any errors/parts of this post that dont make sense.. i cant be bothered reading back through it) ASUS2011-12-20 21:21:52

Put it this way- marco woulda been starting every game with the 'Nix.

Still great training facilities. And the wrong Muscat given him advice

agree with what asus said... to an earlier post marco and cleverly are not in the same situation different environment diff leagues and alot more money being thrown around there. another level all together over there. and fact is cleverly would have been under the guidence of sir alex and top coaches who have been doing it a long time not the level of a league coaches or set ups so trying to compare the to is pointless come on sport. Think about it marco left when the phoenix were not financially secure and anything could of happined to that club so he made the right move for his future.

and could you really have said ricki would have started him every game? tough one. So what hes been dropped to the bench at the victory for playing sh*t, same thing would have happined at the nix if he was playing poorly.. up to marco to force his way back into the victory starting 11 will see what sort of character the kids got.

Brown, Lia, Bertos, Ward, Lochhead and probably others have all ridden out long spells of poor form without being dropped over the last few years

Brown coz what other cm are there?? and he pops up with goals even when he's playin sh*t. Bertos has been before. LOckhead well he's in rickis back pocket! Lia couldn't buy a game a few seasons ago! Every coach has there favorites which will mean players won't be dropped and the fact the nix only have like 14 players on their roster. End of the day a move to victory was the best thing in the time and place he was in and the nix were in u can't argue that!

sthn.jeff2011-12-21 07:28:15

Then I used the example of Cleverly (insert most youngsters from big clubs) and how he could have spent ~3 seasons learning from Giggs and Scholes, you have also said that he could have been learning from top coaches like SAF, yet the club still feel the best for him to develop (and this is the case for most youngsters from big clubs) is getting game time in senior football.

Marco needs game time to fully realise his potential.

Yes but have you forgot he was starting at the start of the season was playing badly so got benched! as any player would in any club! harsh life of a footballer! NO matter if he gets loaned out or what. look at chris wood hes top goal scorer for his loan club but finds himself on the bench???? your argument is only that you still want him at the nix which would be good to have him here but isnt going to happen so move on stop bagging him and support your fellow kiwi and wish him the best. Merry Xmas Mate

May I suggest the following paragraphing to make things easier to read?



Judas=Judas Easter not Christmas...C'mon man, Marco knew the score when he went to Melbourne.

Though Marco without Dmac and only Greenie to aim at is probably a waste of time anyway...martinb2012-01-02 19:26:38

After last season, Marco's form would have opened a lot of doors and however he came to the conclusion to move to Victory (better training facilities, salary etc.) at this stage it may not have been the best choice for his career and I think it is valid argument to say he may have been better off staying in Wellington.

The reason people post in this thread is a bit of schadenfreude and/or actually interested in the player and hope he progresses.

When the phoenix were in so much financial trouble at the time of his choice do you blame him? the sad fact is at that level football is a business also. thats his job he also had to secure himself financially.

at the core of any footballer's career is the desire to be playing - it's not the momeny that drives the player, its the desire to be on the field doing his thing......Marco could have been worried about the nix and his future sure - but had he been aware that he'd be a bench player for a the vicotry I'm pretty sure he'd rather have played 90 minutes for the nix.

perhaps email him and ask him how he feels and see if he would still rather be at the nix putting in crosses for chris G

Hopefully has some good memories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d5i-D4tCmQ

Yeah, what could he possibly learn from Harry Kewell.

could just post on his fb page

lol bullion wont let go