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Jaume wrote:

So apparently Eric Dier could've played for Portugal considering he was part of the Sporting CP Academy. Why would he choose to play for a team that has had a losing, negative mentality for decades over a team with Cristiano Ronaldo, etc. is beyond me.

Maybe not good enough for Portugal?

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Jaume wrote:

So apparently Eric Dier could've played for Portugal considering he was part of the Sporting CP Academy. Why would he choose to play for a team that has had a losing, negative mentality for decades over a team with Cristiano Ronaldo, etc. is beyond me.

Fudgeing hell. It's easy to say that now given Portugal just won it, but come on.

Also maybe he doesn't give a flying fudge about Portugal.

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Born in England with an English family and feels English? Just happened to spend a few years of childhood in Portugal due to his Mother's job I believe. Portugal didn't really have a spectacular record of winning tournaments before yesterday in any case.

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England has had that losing mentality for a while though, it's not exactly out of nowhere. They get hyped to the days every single tournament by the British media, then a couple of games in they already have a scapegoat (Marcus Rashford, Rooney), then they lose pathetically (Iceland, or on penalties again), then their media sharks on them and asks "What went wrong?", rinse and repeat every single tournament.

And again, why would you not want to play with Ronaldo and Pepe, two mainstays at Real Madrid, amongst all other upcoming or already talented players? Much rather that then the only talent being Daniel Injury Sturridge, Harry Nowhere to be Seen Kane, Sterling and Rashford putting in an effort but getting shat by the British media, Rooney who's playing in a deeper role despite his old age and his not being great at that position, etc. The only talent from England that could play in a team like Real Madrid is Joe Hart, and he had a shocking tournament.

ajc28 wrote:

Born in England with an English family and feels English? Just happened to spend a few years of childhood in Portugal due to his Mother's job I believe.

He was at the Sporting Academy, a club known for producing talent between 2003–2012 and speaks fluent Portuguese. Not exactly his mother's job. 

Edited by Jaume July 12, 2016 14:11
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Jaume wrote:
 The only talent from England that could play in a team like Real Madrid is Joe Hart 

Absolute bullshark.

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Buffon II wrote:

Jaume wrote:
 The only talent from England that could play in a team like Real Madrid is Joe Hart 

Absolute bullshark.

He could conceivably be the Real Madrid hurdy gurdy player on their mid-winter Folk Night do.

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Buffon II wrote:

Jaume wrote:
 The only talent from England that could play in a team like Real Madrid is Joe Hart 

Absolute bullshark.

If not even Hart could make the Real Madrid team (he did have a couple of seasons where he was brilliant so it's not that inconceivable), then that further proves my point that Dier should've played for a nationality he was well integrated into in Portugal, knowing the language fluently and having the possibility of playing amongst world class players, unlike playing for England. Dier is miles better than João Mário is.

In the past Joe Hart was rated above Keylor Navas, so he did have the possible potential. 

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Jaume wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

Jaume wrote:
 The only talent from England that could play in a team like Real Madrid is Joe Hart 

Absolute bullshark.

If not even Hart could make the Real Madrid team (he did have a couple of seasons where he was brilliant so it's not that inconceivable), then that further proves my point that Dier should've played for a nationality he was well integrated into in Portugal, knowing the language fluently and having the possibility of playing amongst world class players, unlike playing for England. Dier is miles better than João Mário is.

In the past Joe Hart was rated above Keylor Navas, so he did have the possible potential. 

No. Your comment he was the only one that could is bullshark.

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Who could make it then? Past England players like Terry could, but he no longer plays for the national team. If English players could play for Real Madrid, Real Madrid would buy them. Jonathan Woodgate was a massive failure and David Beckham was great for Madrid. 

Sterling is inconsistent, Kane can't deliver 25+ goals a season which is what Real Madrid needs and wants, none of the current defenders are good enough, etc.

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"He was at the Sporting Academy, a club known for producing talent between 2003–2012 and speaks fluent Portuguese. Not exactly his mother's job"

Dier's mother got a job in Portugal, as part of the staff/hired hands organizing Euro 2004. The job was for about a year or so, and the family decided to stay on in Portugal indefinitely. Eric obviously displayed footballing ability and entered the Portuguese academy system. However he never played any under age representative level for Portugal(that should be a clue as to his feelings), and was English born, of English parents. In fact, his grandfather was Ted Croker, former CEO/Secretary or whatever of The FA in the 70s & 80s. As a result, being an Englishman, he chose to play for his own country; what's so hard to understand about that? Citing Portugal's victory in the Euros is absolutely meaningless; you're simply exercising the power of hindsight to "prove" your statement. I think Dier, as an Englishman would be pretty comfortable with his decision...

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Ray Hicks wrote:

"He was at the Sporting Academy, a club known for producing talent between 2003–2012 and speaks fluent Portuguese. Not exactly his mother's job"

Dier's mother got a job in Portugal, as part of the staff/hired hands organizing Euro 2004. The job was for about a year or so, and the family decided to stay on in Portugal indefinitely. Eric obviously displayed footballing ability and entered the Portuguese academy system. However he never played any under age representative level for Portugal(that should be a clue as to his feelings), and was English born, of English parents. In fact, his grandfather was Ted Croker, former CEO/Secretary or whatever of The FA in the 70s & 80s. As a result, being an Englishman, he chose to play for his own country; what's so hard to understand about that? Citing Portugal's victory in the Euros is absolutely meaningless; you're simply exercising the power of hindsight to "prove" your statement. I think Dier, as an Englishman would be pretty comfortable with his decision...

I would go so far as saying playing for Portugal was probably never even a consideration for him
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sthn.jeff wrote:

Ray Hicks wrote:

"He was at the Sporting Academy, a club known for producing talent between 2003–2012 and speaks fluent Portuguese. Not exactly his mother's job"

Dier's mother got a job in Portugal, as part of the staff/hired hands organizing Euro 2004. The job was for about a year or so, and the family decided to stay on in Portugal indefinitely. Eric obviously displayed footballing ability and entered the Portuguese academy system. However he never played any under age representative level for Portugal(that should be a clue as to his feelings), and was English born, of English parents. In fact, his grandfather was Ted Croker, former CEO/Secretary or whatever of The FA in the 70s & 80s. As a result, being an Englishman, he chose to play for his own country; what's so hard to understand about that? Citing Portugal's victory in the Euros is absolutely meaningless; you're simply exercising the power of hindsight to "prove" your statement. I think Dier, as an Englishman would be pretty comfortable with his decision...

I would go so far as saying playing for Portugal was probably never even a consideration for him

I agree. Dier was at Everton on a loan, from Sporting when he was 18 or so: Moysie wanted to keep him(I think), but Dier returned to Portugal without playing for the first team(if memory serves me...). Even then, I think he was keeping his club options open, as he's a big Spurs fan and was hoping they would jump in for him. They did. In Everton club interviews it mentioned his background and that he had played under age level for England. Seems pretty straightforward to me...

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Jaume wrote:

Dier is miles better than João Mário is.

Not true. Also they play quite different roles. Dier would be competing with William Carvalho and Danilo in the current Portuguese squad.

You know we belong together...

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Well I guess I can definitely concede the point that Dier feels English rather than Portuguese. I guess I would be less loyal myself considering I am a dual national Spaniard and Kiwi, so I'd pick Spain in football and NZ in rugby given the choice. Just don't see the point in playing for the one that's worse if you have the option to play for both. 

However it is still true that the British media places a massive, confusingly so given their quality, weight on the England players to perform perfectly and criticises every bad move they do. And none of them have the quality to be in the big 3 clubs in Europe (Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Real Madrid). 

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Oska wrote:

Jaume wrote:

Dier is miles better than João Mário is.

Not true. Also they play quite different roles. Dier would be competing with William Carvalho and Danilo in the current Portuguese squad.

If he stayed playing in Portugal he probably would be competing to partner Pepe.
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Quite possibly. Point is that, even if he had wanted to play for us, I don't think it as all a sure thing that he would have started ahead of any of the current Portugal CBs or DMs.

You know we belong together...

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Fudgeing hell the after timing bullshark spouted on this page is unreal.

Harry Kane literally scored 25 goals last season in the Premier League. He would quite comfortably score more than 25 in La Liga for one of the most stacked teams in world football, especially when playing against a bunch of goat farmers most weeks.

Dele Alli is clearly a player with potential, if guided by the right manager(s) he could turn out to be a world class midfielder capable of playing for any side.

It wasn't too long ago Jordan Henderson of all people was rumored to be on his was to Barca. Yes that's right, Jordan fudgeing Henderson!

Eric Dier would walk in to the Portugal side. Alongside Lallana he was England's best player at the tournament. He's only 22, but he still has a calmness yet assertiveness about him that is perfect for a player in his position. Can obviously improve but clearly one of the top young DM's around.

England (Hodgson) completely botching things early doors again and Portugal being the most underserved winners of a major tournament in recent memory has really lead to some god awful opinions on show here.

Three for me, and two for them.

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So why didn't they beat Iceland?

A group of good individuals but not a good team. i think that both Hodgson and the players need to take some responsibility in this. 

Hodgson shat the bed with his team and squad selections - but the players also under performed. The players need to own that as well.

(and by the media citicism I have seen they are)

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You are aware that club football and international football are two completely different environments, right?

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Ah yes, the Spanish league which has dominated European competitions and has the best UEFA ranking for leagues is utter crap in comparison to the mighty Premier League with 1 team that made it to the semifinals because of an easy draw.

Dele Alli, perhaps, if he keeps playing well. However Jordan Henderson being linked with Barcelona means sweet fudge all. There's an absolute fudgeload of transfer rumours every single transfer window, one transfer rumour that doesn't occur couldn't mean less.

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especially when playing against a bunch of goat farmers most weeks.

Wow, and I'm the one spouting bullshark? This is such an ignorant comment. There's a reason Spanish teams are currently the best: because the whole league is. Hence why Sevilla unsurprisingly to most Spaniards easily defeated Liverpool for another Europa League. Meanwhile English teams can't even make the semifinals of the Champions League for yet another season. 

"England (Hodgson) completely botching things early doors again and Portugal being the most underserved winners of a major tournament in recent memory has really lead to some god awful opinions on show here."

Oh, what a surprise that England went out so early. Because that hasn't happen in other recent tournaments! It was definitely supposed to be "coming home" this time. Yes, Hodgson was crap, but England always does shark. It can't always be that the coach is crap...

The Premier League, where a team like Leicester can win it with no challenge from Man City (who were god awful away), Arsenal (of course they couldn't win it in a season where every other major team choked), etc. Can't wait for Leicester to be lose to FC Basel and later on get destroyed in the knockout stages.

Edited by Jaume July 12, 2016 21:58

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