Oh come on, it's not exactly a revelation in Bruce's post. Once again attacking Bruce for the sake of it? Anyone would think you have a personal axe to grind...
2015 OFC Champions League: Fiji April 11 -26
Life in the hill blows perspective out the window
No axe to grind here just think its not a great post from a journalist slagging players that way .Have a go at their performance but personal attack
heyref, from what you contribute here I imagine you're only 11 or 12, so perhaps I should give you the benefit...
My son is a grown adult and get this - we are two seperate people with our own thoughts and ideas. Radical, huh?
Yes, I am critical of the nutbar on-field behaviour of some players in that match last night.
I believe the on-field conduct of players is a valid subject for comment, particularly given the matches are televised live, and I have characterised some of the offending players as "psycho".
I've generally found it a good discipline to put my name to such comments. The stronger your comments, the more transparent you need to be, in fairness to those you are having a pop at, rather than hide behind a moniker.
Being a journalist is neither here nor there. I post here as an equal of everyone, with no advantages, and no fetters.
Bit rich of you to bemoan what you think is personal attack, given your track record, where, rather than discuss the issue of the day, you seem to want to personalise matters to me.
Don't know why you bother, but hope you grow up and stop detracting from forum discussions with your small minded tattle. Hope this helps.
Hi Bruce I don't have an axe to grind with you at all, but that post about Bale and Co was slanderous now I might be a stirrer but who cares, but you as a journalist know you cant make those comments in any forum Its slander
I think you mean libel, rather than slander (which pertains to the spoken word).
You will recall libel offers the defence of honest opinion. (This defence used to be called “fair comment”).
It allows you to express opinions, even though they may be critical of someone. The idea is that opinions are matters of evaluation, not truth, so readers can decide whether they agree or not.
This defence can protect editorials, blog posts and comments, letters to the editor, reviews, cartoons, talkback, op-ed pieces, and the like.
But it must clearly be comment, based on provable facts (eg misconduct records) and honestly believed.
Hope this helps your understanding of how opinions are constructed and consumed.
Hell I have got to you I better stop
No axe to grind here just think its not a great post from a journalist slagging players that way .Have a go at their performance but personal attack
Given how they behaved both during, and more disgracefully, immediately after, it wasn't a personal attack, it was a comment on their on field conduct.
I switched off after the last peno. Heard there were handbags after. Objects thrown and possibly violent confrontation. Is that true or was that a bit of a beat up?
I switched off after the last peno. Heard there were handbags after. Objects thrown and possibly violent confrontation. Is that true or was that a bit of a beat up?
From what we saw on the TV, it is embarrasingly true.
Life in the hill blows perspective out the window
Auckland should be careful about that analogy because Real only won the European Cup / Champions League once in the next 32 years (1966) - no wins 1966-1998....
Now, they might be going on to match Real's record of no wins in the next 32 years...
They also might not want to compare themselves to Real's dodgy funding streams, intimidation and signing methods either (under Franco's fascist dictatorship who hated the pro-Republican and separatist Barcelona province).
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2014/05/22/fascism-foo...
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2012...
Real Madrid had ties from its early days to the monarchy who granted the club the title "Real' ("Royal") in 1920 and they were favoured by the 1920's pro-monarchy Primo de Rivera dictatorship. Franco and the Civil War fascists from 1936 were pro-monarchy too. In 1925 the Rivera dictatorship closed Barcelona's ground for six months and banned the club's president from ever holding office again (he was eventually hounded into suicide).
"On 14 April 1931, the arrival of the Second Spanish Republic caused the club to lose the title Real and went back to being named Madrid Football Club. Santiago Bernabéu, who rebuilt the club after the Civil War, served Franco under General Grandes (subsequently a commander of Franco's Blue Division, who fought with the Nazis in WWII on the Eastern Front).
A month after the Spanish Civil War began in 1936, several players from Barcelona enlisted in the ranks of those who fought against the military uprising. On 6 August, fascist soldiers murdered club president Josep Sunyol, a representative of the pro-independence political party. He was dubbed the martyr of barcelonisme, and his murder was a defining moment in the history of FC Barcelona and Catalan identity. In the summer of 1937, the squad was on tour in Mexico and the United States, where it was received as an ambassador of the Second Spanish Republic. The tour led to the financial security of the club, but also resulted in half of the team seeking asylum in Mexico and France, making it harder for the remaining team to contest for trophies...
On 13 June 1943 Madrid beat Barcelona 11–1 in the second leg of a semi-final of the Copa del Generalísimo, the Copa del Rey having been renamed in honour of General Franco."
It's kind of obvious why Real would beat the then la Liga champions Barcelona (who had won the first leg at home 3-0) 11-1: threats, including the Madrid police chief threatening the players at half-time apparently...
"Madrid robbed Barcelona of Alfredo Di Stéfano - the Argentine genius who had already moved to Barcelona and played two matches in the Catalan team's shirt, before an unsavoury manoeuvre co-ordinated by Franco's favourite, General Moscardó, forced a move to the Bernabéu. Di Stéfano was the pivotal figure in the legendary Madrid team of Francisco Gento and Ferenc Puskás. The procurement of Di Stéfano was a complex process explained in Phil Ball's superbly definitive book Morbo [new edition 2010]. A pragmatic approach to transfers endures....
Only Real Madrid matches were televised on Spanish TV.
At first Franco’s adoption of Real Madrid failed to deliver any results on the pitch. Between 1939 and 1954, Los Blancos failed to win a single league title; Barcelona won five. Atletico Madrid, the airforce team, were in fact the team closest to the regime and won four la Liga titles in this period.
This changed with the massive funding given to Real from the mid 1950's on and Franco's encouragement of the club to embark on European competition, Real being a prime mover in the founding of the European Cup competition in 1955.
Real's success in the European Cup in the 1950's was all good propaganda for the internationally isolated Franco regime who were shunned by both the capitalist west and communist east
In 1966, when Real Madrid played Barcelona at the Bernabéu, with the score at 0-0, referee Ortiz de Mendíbil played eleven minutes of time-added-on, until Madrid scored. The official claimed his watch had stopped. In a 1970 game between the old enemies, Madrid were beneficiaries of bizarre decisions from referee Emilio Guruceta who, months later, owned a BMW...
In the Bernabéu, as recently as eight years ago, the fascist-saluting Ultras Sur had a room where they stored their regalia: part of the litany of shame recounted in undercover reporter Antonio Salas' book Diario De Un Skin [Diary Of A Skinhead, 2003]...."
Another level of irony is of course added to the above comparison of Auckland City with Real Madrid by the fact that Auckland's coach, Tribulietx is from Barcelona.
He may take it as a complement from the point of view of his team being compared to the dominant tteam in european competition, but to be compared to Real Madrid?
He may not enjoy the mention of Real's past glories...
Football politics and history are no doubt very complicated in Spain ,so he may have mixed feelings about that.
For example, any German football success over the years is not exactly something celebrated - or even mentioned - by my Dutch father or his family ,except along the lines of; "Yes, they took a metal cup home in 1974 but we had the better team."
