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It's difficult to find any information on next years Nations Cup. The FIFA calendar has it from 6th - 20th June 2020.

Do we have any chance of hosting this one. Would be great to have it here in NZ.

Anyone know any more?

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It's OFC. Literally anything could happen.

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FYI is talk (reported by AV?) NZF will send an U23 side as a buildup to the Tokyo Olympics.

Given there is no Confeds Cup in 2021, and so really being champs of OFC will mean diddly - not such a silly idea on the face of it.

Better to focus AW energies on some games in the March 2020 window and beyond.

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Yeah no Confederations Cup for the winners does take the a lot of the meaning away from it. I wonder if Oceania Football might make it part of World Cup qualifying like four years ago. OFC President Lambert Matlock also suggested all nations should compete in the main tournament, so that would be eleven teams. He did also suggest an Oceania Nations League though so anything is possible. 

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June 6 to June 20 are definitely the dates.

I have no idea who is hosting it – or if the process to find a host has even started. I believe it might be the latter and that NZ would be interested, at least until they see what it involves. 

It is set to be two groups of four, semifinals, final, with a four-team pre-tournament finding the eighth team to join the region's 'superior seven'.

The only link to World Cup qualifying as I understand it might be in terms of seeding, but then again they might just use Fifa rankings. WCQ is set to start in September, potentially with all 11 OFC teams entering at the same stage. It will then conclude in either June, September, or October 2021.

As far as the makeup of the All Whites team, it will definitely not be full-strength, and will have a heavy under-23 contingent. How heavy is something I imagine is being discussed at NZF at present. 

Plenty to juggle, especially when you consider this tournament will have mandatory release from clubs and the Olympics will not.

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I wonder if we can get a friendly vs Russia now that there banned from FIFA for four years.

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Royz wrote:

I wonder if we can get a friendly vs Russia now that there banned from FIFA for four years.

you do understand the meaning of a ban don't you?

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Royz wrote:

I wonder if we can get a friendly vs Russia now that there banned from FIFA for four years.

you do understand the meaning of a ban don't you?

Probably best to wait until the cannabis referendum results are in.

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from an interview with OFC President Lambert Matlock

How are the plans for OFC Nations Cup? Are the dates and venues confirmed?
I have got all details with me now. New Zealand will host this tournament. It should be around May and June.

We get to see NZ play at home!!!

Full interview here

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from an interview with OFC President Lambert Matlock

How are the plans for OFC Nations Cup? Are the dates and venues confirmed?
I have got all details with me now. New Zealand will host this tournament. It should be around May and June.

We get to see NZ play at home!!!

Full interview here

That is great news. Now just a question of whether a seniors AWs side or an U23 team as prep for Tokyo.

With no Confeds Cup in 2021-2022 to qualify for, I'm tipping the latter. Without that huge carrot, being champions of OFC don't really mean much.

Perhaps 3 overage players also, with an eye to them going with the Oly Whites at the Olympics.

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I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

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Though it is nice to have some senior men’s football (or close to) confirmed to watch in NZ, watching games against OFC nations will always be pretty blah tripe.

This almost an instance where the best result would have been a tourney in Honiara, or similar re the right prep for the Olympics.

It's going to be hot in Tokyo come August, very hot. 

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coochiee wrote:

Though it is nice to have some senior men’s football (or close to) confirmed to watch in NZ, watching games against OFC nations will always be pretty blah tripe.

This almost an instance where the best result would have been a tourney in Honiara, or similar re the right prep for the Olympics.

It's going to be hot in Tokyo come August, very hot. 

It's an interesting trade-off, but I think having Auckland pitches/training grounds/facilities/accomodation/surrounds might be more beneficial for what they're trying to do at that stage of prep, than being in the islands with lesser grounds/facilities but with the heat. They will have two weeks in Japan ahead of their first match for acclimatising. 

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Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

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Don't mind the OFC NL being played in Auckland one bit. I'll just fly up to watch the games

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Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

I'd agree with that if you did get hordes of PI fans turning up, but besides Fiji fans who does?

could easily have 1 group in Wellington - get Samoa based at Porirua Park and 1 in Auckland with Fiji in it

but this is Oceania and they won't do anything to promote it anyway

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Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

I'd agree with that if you did get hordes of PI fans turning up, but besides Fiji fans who does?

could easily have 1 group in Wellington - get Samoa based at Porirua Park and 1 in Auckland with Fiji in it

but this is Oceania and they won't do anything to promote it anyway

Hard to do it specifically for Samoa when they aren't even guaranteed a place.

The Nations Cup has been a one city tournament for two decades (other than when it was a home-and-away thing in 2007/8 and when they stuck a home-and-away final on the end in 2004), so I wouldn't be surprised if OFC asked for one city bids.

But I'm not sure Jerry Collins Stadium would cut the mustard.

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Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

I'd agree with that if you did get hordes of PI fans turning up, but besides Fiji fans who does?

could easily have 1 group in Wellington - get Samoa based at Porirua Park and 1 in Auckland with Fiji in it

but this is Oceania and they won't do anything to promote it anyway

Hard to do it specifically for Samoa when they aren't even guaranteed a place.

The Nations Cup has been a one city tournament for two decades (other than when it was a home-and-away thing in 2007/8 and when they stuck a home-and-away final on the end in 2004), so I wouldn't be surprised if OFC asked for one city bids.

But I'm not sure Jerry Collins Stadium would cut the mustard anyway.

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Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

I'd agree with that if you did get hordes of PI fans turning up, but besides Fiji fans who does?

could easily have 1 group in Wellington - get Samoa based at Porirua Park and 1 in Auckland with Fiji in it

but this is Oceania and they won't do anything to promote it anyway

Hard to do it specifically for Samoa when they aren't even guaranteed a place.

The Nations Cup has been a one city tournament for two decades (other than when it was a home-and-away thing in 2007/8 and when they stuck a home-and-away final on the end in 2004), so I wouldn't be surprised if OFC asked for one city bids.

But I'm not sure Jerry Collins Stadium would cut the mustard.

If they're gonna be playing at Trusts Arena, why wouldn't it? Though keeping it in one city keeps the costs down, and that's probably another driving factor.

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el grapadura wrote:

Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

I'd agree with that if you did get hordes of PI fans turning up, but besides Fiji fans who does?

could easily have 1 group in Wellington - get Samoa based at Porirua Park and 1 in Auckland with Fiji in it

but this is Oceania and they won't do anything to promote it anyway

Hard to do it specifically for Samoa when they aren't even guaranteed a place.

The Nations Cup has been a one city tournament for two decades (other than when it was a home-and-away thing in 2007/8 and when they stuck a home-and-away final on the end in 2004), so I wouldn't be surprised if OFC asked for one city bids.

But I'm not sure Jerry Collins Stadium would cut the mustard.

If they're gonna be playing at Trusts Arena, why wouldn't it? Though keeping it in one city keeps the costs down, and that's probably another driving factor.

From what I know of Jerry Collins Stadium, it lacks the function (working) space Trusts has? Admittedly not the biggest deal, but I've seen OFC take over Trusts for the Champions League and they fancied spreading themselves out quite a bit. I also imagine the local rugby club mightn't be pleased.

But yes, costs probably a bigger factor – if you split it between two cities you're looking at an extra set of matchday staff, for starters.

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coochiee wrote:

Though it is nice to have some senior men’s football (or close to) confirmed to watch in NZ, watching games against OFC nations will always be pretty blah tripe.

This almost an instance where the best result would have been a tourney in Honiara, or similar re the right prep for the Olympics.

It's going to be hot in Tokyo come August, very hot. 

This is not a criticism of you exactly, I feel the same way, but it’s this type of attitude that makes it hard for NZF. Wouldn’t it be good if we got huge crowds to watch any of our games v the PI sides? Fans turning up because it’s us playing not just because of who we are playing.
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el grapadura wrote:

Marto wrote:

I see a comment on Stuff asked why in Auckland and not Welli? 

I think there's a high chance of seeing more PI fans turn up to watch Fiji, Samoa and Tonga if they qualify then fickle kiwis turning up to U23 Olywhites games.

Bingo If you're holding an OFC event in NZ, you want it in world's largest Pacific Island city. But then there's also the reality of having the right venues available and the logistics (OFC/NZF are both based in Auckland).

I'd agree with that if you did get hordes of PI fans turning up, but besides Fiji fans who does?

could easily have 1 group in Wellington - get Samoa based at Porirua Park and 1 in Auckland with Fiji in it

but this is Oceania and they won't do anything to promote it anyway

Hard to do it specifically for Samoa when they aren't even guaranteed a place.

The Nations Cup has been a one city tournament for two decades (other than when it was a home-and-away thing in 2007/8 and when they stuck a home-and-away final on the end in 2004), so I wouldn't be surprised if OFC asked for one city bids.

But I'm not sure Jerry Collins Stadium would cut the mustard.

If they're gonna be playing at Trusts Arena, why wouldn't it? Though keeping it in one city keeps the costs down, and that's probably another driving factor.

From what I know of Jerry Collins Stadium, it lacks the function (working) space Trusts has? Admittedly not the biggest deal, but I've seen OFC take over Trusts for the Champions League and they fancied spreading themselves out quite a bit. I also imagine the local rugby club mightn't be pleased.

But yes, costs probably a bigger factor – if you split it between two cities you're looking at an extra set of matchday staff, for starters.

OK Porirua park, was just an example, could easily have it at Newtown Park - the point was more that Oceania will do next to nothing to promote this competition whether or not they have it in Auckland or Wellington

Outside of NZ & Fiji games the crowds won't be great

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coochiee wrote:

Though it is nice to have some senior men’s football (or close to) confirmed to watch in NZ, watching games against OFC nations will always be pretty blah tripe.

This almost an instance where the best result would have been a tourney in Honiara, or similar re the right prep for the Olympics.

It's going to be hot in Tokyo come August, very hot. 

This is not a criticism of you exactly, I feel the same way, but it’s this type of attitude that makes it hard for NZF. Wouldn’t it be good if we got huge crowds to watch any of our games v the PI sides? Fans turning up because it’s us playing not just because of who we are playing.

The whole staying in OFC verus trying to enter AFC has been debated ad nauseum to death.

But the fact is watching OFC games is shark, though on those incredibly rare occasions when AWs play at home near full strength, it's great for kids esp to see Wood, Thomas etc up close. Apart from a few real tragics, none of the NZ football public are looking forward to watching say Vanuatu play. That ain't ever going to change.

Hopefully, hopefully FIFA can get that Global Nations League off the ground, and thereby sort of force AFC & OFC to combine for some meaningful games outside World Cup qualifying campaigns. Having Japan, South Korea, China, Socceroos etc play the AWs in NZ every few years in games that matter, should be the aim. That's if NZF want to be serious about promoting the AWs as a face of NZ football, otherwise they will just be a bit of a NZ sporting footnote, rolled out every 4 years for two World Cup games on at 4am NZ time.

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I see Wiki tells us the tournament will be held between June 6-20.

When does the qualifying round take place and when will the final draw be released?
Looking to sort logistics to attend a couple of games.

It doesn't help that June 5 is my 15th wedding anniversary and I promised the wife we'd do something really nice for it....

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It doesn't help that June 5 is my 15th wedding anniversary and I promised the wife we'd do something really nice for it....

What's nicer than an All Whites game?

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ahaahah she's not falling for that anymore Newsy...

I always tell her she 'faked it' in the first few years (by it I mean her love for football of course)!!!! 

Now that we're all settled she doesn't need to pretend anymore :))) 

Still, we have relatives in Auckland so maybe a compromise will be found

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I see Wiki tells us the tournament will be held between June 6-20.

When does the qualifying round take place and when will the final draw be released?
Looking to sort logistics to attend a couple of games.

It doesn't help that June 5 is my 15th wedding anniversary and I promised the wife we'd do something really nice for it....

There's no indication yet when qualifying will take place, or when the draw will be released. (They haven't even announced it's in New Zealand properly yet).

The only guide we have is the previous tournament, which went as follows.

Sat: MD1

Sun: MD1

Mon: day off

Tue: MD2 

Wed: MD2

Thu: day off 

Fri: day off

Sat: MD3

Sun: MD3

Mon: day off

Tue: day off

Wed: Semifinals

Thu: day off

Fri: day off

Sat: Final

Would be smart IMO for New Zealand to play on the second matchday every time, as that means two Sunday fixtures and therefore no clashes with local men's football. Trade off is a day less rest ahead of the semifinal.

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I see Wiki tells us the tournament will be held between June 6-20.

When does the qualifying round take place and when will the final draw be released?
Looking to sort logistics to attend a couple of games.

It doesn't help that June 5 is my 15th wedding anniversary and I promised the wife we'd do something really nice for it....

There's no indication yet when qualifying will take place, or when the draw will be released. (They haven't even announced it's in New Zealand properly yet).

The only guide we have is the previous tournament, which went as follows.

Sat: MD1

Sun: MD1

Mon: day off

Tue: MD2 

Wed: MD2

Thu: day off 

Fri: day off

Sat: MD3

Sun: MD3

Mon: day off

Tue: day off

Wed: Semifinals

Thu: day off

Fri: day off

Sat: Final

Would be smart IMO for New Zealand to play on the second matchday every time, as that means two Sunday fixtures and therefore no clashes with local men's football. Trade off is a day less rest ahead of the semifinal.

That's awesome and very helpful, thanks AndrewV - always a pleasure!! :)

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ahaahah she's not falling for that anymore Newsy...

I always tell her she 'faked it' in the first few years (by it I mean her love for football of course)!!!! 

Now that we're all settled she doesn't need to pretend anymore :))) 

Still, we have relatives in Auckland so maybe a compromise will be found

Like her stay at home while you stay with her relatives?
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Even better, I've got a very good mate in the big smoke, so I could stay with him!

But something tells me it will be more of a family outing..

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Going to be interesting to see how NZ Football navigates this period revenue wise post no Confederations Cup and if not the 2022 world cup then bloody hopefully the 2026 one with the expansion and a guaranteed place for Oceania. The Global Nations League really needs to happen too.

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bennie99 wrote:

Going to be interesting to see how NZ Football navigates this period revenue wise post no Confederations Cup and if not the 2022 world cup then bloody hopefully the 2026 one with the expansion and a guaranteed place for Oceania. The Global Nations League really needs to happen too.

These next 4 years could be make or break stuff in the NZF bank with no Confederations Cup or Club World Cup money. The revenue model at NZF or lack of has been stuffed for a long time, you can't run an organisation sustainably by relying on competition/FIFA handouts. The All Whites team would need to produce another World Cup miracle to get the books back in black again.

I would say its gonna stay very conservative at a National level, ie no national club competition for National Womens league and the Mens National League might get more refined. It's sad because I think NZF and other federations could do more for the National Womens game, it has so much potential to be alot better for the players than it currently is.

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