Friendly vs Belgium???

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Somewhat misleading article.

Should be headlined "Rumour that All Whites Match Against World No. 1 Belgium to be Scrapped"

If you read the article it says:

"In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium. As we said when the game was announced, it is provisional on the safety of our players.

”We are continuing to monitor the situation in Europe for both getting our players in and getting them home without disruption to their domestic season.”

TV 3 have also jumped the gun in announcing it being scrapped.

TV One have not reported it as being scrapped.

The NZ Herald at least report that it is a report from another media source that the game has been cancelled and quote Newshub (TV 3) as their source.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

"Football: All Whites' match with world number one Belgium set to be canned – report"

However in reality:

"When contacted by the Herald, an NZF spokesperson denied that the fixture had been scrapped."

There has been no statement whatsoever from NZ Football or the Belgian FA about the game being scrapped.

It may be, it may not be....

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Somewhat misleading article.

Should be headlined "Rumour that All Whites Match Against World No. 1 Belgium to be Scrapped"

If you read the article it says:

"In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium. As we said when the game was announced, it is provisional on the safety of our players.

”We are continuing to monitor the situation in Europe for both getting our players in and getting them home without disruption to their domestic season.”

TV 3 have also jumped the gun in announcing it being scrapped.

TV One have not reported it as being scrapped.

The NZ Herald at least report that it is a report from another media source that the game has been cancelled and quote Newshub (TV 3) as their source.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

"Football: All Whites' match with world number one Belgium set to be canned – report"

However in reality:

"When contacted by the Herald, an NZF spokesperson denied that the fixture had been scrapped."

There has been no statement whatsoever from NZ Football or the Belgian FA about the game being scrapped.

It may be, it may not be....

Does any part of the NZF statement say the game hasn't been cancelled? Just a vague 'nothing has been confirmed'. There is nothing misleading about the Stuff article (or Newshub's initial report).

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Somewhat misleading article.

Should be headlined "Rumour that All Whites Match Against World No. 1 Belgium to be Scrapped"

If you read the article it says:

"In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium. As we said when the game was announced, it is provisional on the safety of our players.

”We are continuing to monitor the situation in Europe for both getting our players in and getting them home without disruption to their domestic season.”

TV 3 have also jumped the gun in announcing it being scrapped.

TV One have not reported it as being scrapped.

The NZ Herald at least report that it is a report from another media source that the game has been cancelled and quote Newshub (TV 3) as their source.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

"Football: All Whites' match with world number one Belgium set to be canned – report"

However in reality:

"When contacted by the Herald, an NZF spokesperson denied that the fixture had been scrapped."

There has been no statement whatsoever from NZ Football or the Belgian FA about the game being scrapped.

It may be, it may not be....

Does any part of the NZF statement say the game hasn't been cancelled? Just a vague 'nothing has been confirmed'. There is nothing misleading about the Stuff article (or Newshub's initial report).

Except your own report says, "In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium...."

There's nothing from NZF that says the game has been scrapped. 

Sounds to me like they are waiting to see if it will be possible to field a team and so haven't announced anything yet either way.

My problem too is that neither you nor Newshub name a source to give your claim of cancellation any credibility.

A journalist friend of mine is pretty scathing about Newshub's credibility.

After so many staff cuts they just don't have the reporters on the ground any more to properly investigate things.

Witness the lack of local football stories now on TV 3 News compared to the regular reports from TVNZ One.

TVNZ One are quite impressive - they even interviewed young NZ footballer Monique Fischer whom is playing in Sweden in a report on the Covid situation in Sweden in the main body of the 6 pm news on Thursday night.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Somewhat misleading article.

Should be headlined "Rumour that All Whites Match Against World No. 1 Belgium to be Scrapped"

If you read the article it says:

"In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium. As we said when the game was announced, it is provisional on the safety of our players.

”We are continuing to monitor the situation in Europe for both getting our players in and getting them home without disruption to their domestic season.”

TV 3 have also jumped the gun in announcing it being scrapped.

TV One have not reported it as being scrapped.

The NZ Herald at least report that it is a report from another media source that the game has been cancelled and quote Newshub (TV 3) as their source.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

"Football: All Whites' match with world number one Belgium set to be canned – report"

However in reality:

"When contacted by the Herald, an NZF spokesperson denied that the fixture had been scrapped."

There has been no statement whatsoever from NZ Football or the Belgian FA about the game being scrapped.

It may be, it may not be....

Does any part of the NZF statement say the game hasn't been cancelled? Just a vague 'nothing has been confirmed'. There is nothing misleading about the Stuff article (or Newshub's initial report).

Except your own report says, "In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium...."

There's nothing from NZF that says the game has been scrapped. 

Sounds to me like they are waiting to see if it will be possible to field a team and so haven't announced anything yet either way.

My problem too is that neither you nor Newshub name a source to give your claim of cancellation any credibility.

A journalist friend of mine is pretty scathing about Newshub's credibility.

After so many staff cuts they just don't have the reporters on the ground any more to properly investigate things.

Witness the lack of local football stories now on TV 3 News compared to the regular reports from TVNZ One.

TVNZ One are quite impressive - they even interviewed young NZ footballer Monique Fischer whom is playing in Sweden in a report on the Covid situation in Sweden in the main body of the 6 pm news on Thursday night.

When you're dealing with things before they're public knowledge, you can't always name sources, as generally those source aren't meant to be spreading the news, and especially so to journalists. I can only speak for myself, but I believe it's a reporter's track record that provides credibility first and foremost.

NZ Football's statement was included because to ignore it would have been unbalanced and unfair. Perhaps in hindsight we shouldn't have put the word 'denied' there, as a proper denial would have been something along the lines of 'we have not withdrawn from this fixture,' not a meaningless 'nothing has been confirmed'. At the same time, they were clearly seeking to 'deny' it, rather than 'confirm it,' but as I've noted the statement was carefully worded to say nothing at all.

Why haven't we seen an official announcement yet? Most likely because it's the Belgium FA's fixture to make announcements about.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Somewhat misleading article.

Should be headlined "Rumour that All Whites Match Against World No. 1 Belgium to be Scrapped"

If you read the article it says:

"In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium. As we said when the game was announced, it is provisional on the safety of our players.

”We are continuing to monitor the situation in Europe for both getting our players in and getting them home without disruption to their domestic season.”

TV 3 have also jumped the gun in announcing it being scrapped.

TV One have not reported it as being scrapped.

The NZ Herald at least report that it is a report from another media source that the game has been cancelled and quote Newshub (TV 3) as their source.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

"Football: All Whites' match with world number one Belgium set to be canned – report"

However in reality:

"When contacted by the Herald, an NZF spokesperson denied that the fixture had been scrapped."

There has been no statement whatsoever from NZ Football or the Belgian FA about the game being scrapped.

It may be, it may not be....

Does any part of the NZF statement say the game hasn't been cancelled? Just a vague 'nothing has been confirmed'. There is nothing misleading about the Stuff article (or Newshub's initial report).

Except your own report says, "In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium...."

There's nothing from NZF that says the game has been scrapped. 

Sounds to me like they are waiting to see if it will be possible to field a team and so haven't announced anything yet either way.

My problem too is that neither you nor Newshub name a source to give your claim of cancellation any credibility.

A journalist friend of mine is pretty scathing about Newshub's credibility.

After so many staff cuts they just don't have the reporters on the ground any more to properly investigate things.

Witness the lack of local football stories now on TV 3 News compared to the regular reports from TVNZ One.

TVNZ One are quite impressive - they even interviewed young NZ footballer Monique Fischer whom is playing in Sweden in a report on the Covid situation in Sweden in the main body of the 6 pm news on Thursday night.

When you're dealing with things before they're public knowledge, you can't always name sources, as generally those source aren't meant to be spreading the news, and especially so to journalists. I can only speak for myself, but I believe it's a reporter's track record that provides credibility first and foremost.

NZ Football's statement was included because to ignore it would have been unbalanced and unfair. Perhaps in hindsight we shouldn't have put the word 'denied' there, as a proper denial would have been something along the lines of 'we have not withdrawn from this fixture,' not a meaningless 'nothing has been confirmed'. At the same time, they were clearly seeking to 'deny' it, rather than 'confirm it,' but as I've noted the statement was carefully worded to say nothing at all.

Why haven't we seen an official announcement yet? Most likely because it's the Belgium FA's fixture to make announcements about.

Cool !

Well explained.

The NZ Football use of spin language in their attempts at media management often remind me of that brilliant UK satirical comedy "The Thick of It".

Thanks for interacting with supporters on these forums mate.

Like your work - have been reading your stuff since your Chch Star days here in the Garden City.

Your name suggests Dutch ancestry like me.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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God thats a funny read

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Somewhat misleading article.

Should be headlined "Rumour that All Whites Match Against World No. 1 Belgium to be Scrapped"

If you read the article it says:

"In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium. As we said when the game was announced, it is provisional on the safety of our players.

”We are continuing to monitor the situation in Europe for both getting our players in and getting them home without disruption to their domestic season.”

TV 3 have also jumped the gun in announcing it being scrapped.

TV One have not reported it as being scrapped.

The NZ Herald at least report that it is a report from another media source that the game has been cancelled and quote Newshub (TV 3) as their source.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

"Football: All Whites' match with world number one Belgium set to be canned – report"

However in reality:

"When contacted by the Herald, an NZF spokesperson denied that the fixture had been scrapped."

There has been no statement whatsoever from NZ Football or the Belgian FA about the game being scrapped.

It may be, it may not be....

Does any part of the NZF statement say the game hasn't been cancelled? Just a vague 'nothing has been confirmed'. There is nothing misleading about the Stuff article (or Newshub's initial report).

Except your own report says, "In a statement issued to Stuff, NZ Football denied the game was set to be scrapped: “Nothing has been confirmed in regards to our fixture against Belgium...."

There's nothing from NZF that says the game has been scrapped. 

Sounds to me like they are waiting to see if it will be possible to field a team and so haven't announced anything yet either way.

My problem too is that neither you nor Newshub name a source to give your claim of cancellation any credibility.

A journalist friend of mine is pretty scathing about Newshub's credibility.

After so many staff cuts they just don't have the reporters on the ground any more to properly investigate things.

Witness the lack of local football stories now on TV 3 News compared to the regular reports from TVNZ One.

TVNZ One are quite impressive - they even interviewed young NZ footballer Monique Fischer whom is playing in Sweden in a report on the Covid situation in Sweden in the main body of the 6 pm news on Thursday night.

When you're dealing with things before they're public knowledge, you can't always name sources, as generally those source aren't meant to be spreading the news, and especially so to journalists. I can only speak for myself, but I believe it's a reporter's track record that provides credibility first and foremost.

NZ Football's statement was included because to ignore it would have been unbalanced and unfair. Perhaps in hindsight we shouldn't have put the word 'denied' there, as a proper denial would have been something along the lines of 'we have not withdrawn from this fixture,' not a meaningless 'nothing has been confirmed'. At the same time, they were clearly seeking to 'deny' it, rather than 'confirm it,' but as I've noted the statement was carefully worded to say nothing at all.

Why haven't we seen an official announcement yet? Most likely because it's the Belgium FA's fixture to make announcements about.

Cool !

Well explained.

The NZ Football use of spin language in their attempts at media management often remind me of that brilliant UK satirical comedy "The Thick of It".

Thanks for interacting with supporters on these forums mate.

Like your work - have been reading your stuff since your Chch Star days here in the Garden City.

Your name suggests Dutch ancestry like me.

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So hass NZ Football def confimred the game is not going ahead yet?

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They have just this morning. 

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Bugger. Sadly, hard seeing it being any different with the England game scheduled in November.

Maybe if the UK border allowed in arrivals from USA without quarantine. Unlikely I'm sure - but that would make USL players like Brotherton, Billingsley & Kyle Adams available. Plus any Kiwi MLS players who's teams weren't in the playoffs. Based on team placings at the moment that would only be Collier.

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Disappointing, but understandable. Hopefully the England match goes ahead..

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Belgians clearly wanted a game verus someone.

https://www.rbfa.be/en/news/red-devils-will-play-a...

Be interesting to know who apart from Joe Bell (quarantine upon return to Norway), was likely going to be unavailable.

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FYI - Belgium (looks like a B side) drew 1-1 with Ivory Coast, who replaced AWs for a friendly. 

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