definite penalty, watch it again. His foot got stood on and his boot ripped off. Pretty hard to run or stand up when that happens.
All Whites v Mexico | Sun 9 Oct | 11:30am | Four Kings
Really good result. Credit where credit is due to Hudson. Even watching through a Spanish language stream, I thought first 10 mins of 2nd half esp was quality - despite conceding 2nd goal.
Mexico look like they eased off later in the 2nd half, and lets face it they have far more important CONCACAF qualifying games coming up - so doubt they were as motivated as the AWs for whom quality international games are as scarce as hens teeth.
Well done again to NZF for organisng both this game and the USA one. Now need to find another 4-6 such quality games (in addition to Confeds Cup) in as many FIFA windows as they can. Appreciate not easy, as each Confederation has world cup qualifying games to play in the next 12 mths.
The Mexico FA seem to like playing NZ in the USA - so if we have to play them again just to get a top game, I'd still be happy!
This was some good effort, well done. I think that is what we should could expect from the team. A bit of structured football and a good fight. Everything they did NOT showed at the OFC. There is small glimmer of hope if they show more of this against the USA. But at one point we have to win games, too. This goes still as a loss into Wikipedia, right?
This was some good effort, well done. I think that is what we should could expect from the team. A bit of structured football and a good fight. Everything they did NOT showed at the OFC. There is small glimmer of hope if they show more of this against the USA. But at one point we have to win games, too. This goes still as a loss into Wikipedia, right?
It goes as whatever we want it to go as in Wikipedia. That's the point of Wikipedia.
But at one point we have to win games, too. This goes still as a loss into Wikipedia, right?
Not sure, ask Hudson.
This was some good effort, well done. I think that is what we should could expect from the team. A bit of structured football and a good fight. Everything they did NOT showed at the OFC. There is small glimmer of hope if they show more of this against the USA. But at one point we have to win games, too. This goes still as a loss into Wikipedia, right?
It goes as whatever we want it to go as in Wikipedia. That's the point of Wikipedia.
Mexico B 2 All Whites 1 Fine effort.
So are we playing USA A or B?
We could get to the final in a world cup which Wellington is hosting, beat Brazil 10-0 (with a Brokie hat trick) in a match where the sponsors provided free beer and ice cream, and people will still find ways to belittle it.
It wasn't Mexico B, they aren't playing us to do us a favor, this match is part of their preparation for world cup qualification as well, every player on that pitch is in serious contention for a starting spot in a world cup qualifications match.
Just emphasising we weren't playing them in a World Cup play-off, like last time we met. And just being cautious about what might happen if the US were to put their A team against us on Wed.
And it was a fine effort.
Luckily USA are definitely putting out a B team
Really good result. Credit where credit is due to Hudson. Even watching through a Spanish language stream, I thought first 10 mins of 2nd half esp was quality - despite conceding 2nd goal.
Mexico look like they eased off later in the 2nd half, and lets face it they have far more important CONCACAF qualifying games coming up - so doubt they were as motivated as the AWs for whom quality international games are as scarce as hens teeth.
Well done again to NZF for organisng both this game and the USA one. Now need to find another 4-6 such quality games (in addition to Confeds Cup) in as many FIFA windows as they can. Appreciate not easy, as each Confederation has world cup qualifying games to play in the next 12 mths.
The Mexico FA seem to like playing NZ in the USA - so if we have to play them again just to get a top game, I'd still be happy!
Also - the All Whites only have two windows free themselves - in June, pre Confeds, and then in October.
Best AWs performance I've seen since the SA world cup. Well done to the players, especially to Hudson for getting everyone to combine so well and play with such confidence. He certainly never let up with his demands from the sideline.
Brilliant pass from Woodsy to Wynne to set up the goal. Back three and Liam Graham and Wynne all did very well. Midfield much better than I expected. Rojas super, Kosta good.
This was some good effort, well done. I think that is what we should could expect from the team. A bit of structured football and a good fight. Everything they did NOT showed at the OFC. There is small glimmer of hope if they show more of this against the USA. But at one point we have to win games, too. This goes still as a loss into Wikipedia, right?
It goes as whatever we want it to go as in Wikipedia. That's the point of Wikipedia.
That's not the point of it, it's heavily referenced and curated (hence Hudson can't make his corrections stick) and studies have repeatedly shown it to be more accurate than proper encyclopedias.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/846...
Some interest comments in this story by Wee Mac, re Hudson being a bit 'obsessed' with watching Mexico play 15 times etc.
AH will always have his critics, but seems a recurring theme from the players that AWs setup is now very well prepared when they come into camp compared to say the Ricki days. Of course it helps that Hudson, only has the one job unlike Herbert - so no club v country distractions.
Still get feeling Hudson is a bit of a football obsessive.
bit late to the chat but thought id get my two cents in .
I thought the start was horrible because of heaps of hoofball , passing to the opposition , actually that was mostly it for me .
Really good seeing the lads pushing the mexicans into forced errors and almost turning it into a goal . should have been a win or a draw but i guess ill take a one goal loss compared with how we did a few years back vs mexico.
On the up and up hopefully .
Husdon has really stamped the culture of the team in my opinion . There is no more people thinking they will get into the national team every time just like that . players really have to fight for a spot in the team .
Great work everyone involved and bring on the USA
Still get feeling Hudson is a bit of a football obsessive.
And that's a good thing.
stunning performance, absolutely brilliant
so much about this team has changed since PNG
To me slow start just shows team needs more hard games playing together. Also lets not forget for Lewis and A League guys their season hasn't really started. So a giant leap from playing likes of a Central League selection in pre season
Should start better against US of A
stunning performance, absolutely brilliant
so much about this team has changed since PNG
about 90% of the players for a start. Seriously this starting team is a very good one and we should be capable of playing football. Still looking for a couple of back up strikers IMO. Kosta and Marco are good players, but not as sharp in front of goal as we'd like them to be. Marco is close to his dynamic self- I bet the Mexicans were feeling like the bird getting slapped by the worm when he carved through their players early in the game...
Mexico B 2 All Whites 1 Fine effort.
So are we playing USA A or B?
We could get to the final in a world cup which Wellington is hosting, beat Brazil 10-0 (with a Brokie hat trick) in a match where the sponsors provided free beer and ice cream, and people will still find ways to belittle it.
It wasn't Mexico B, they aren't playing us to do us a favor, this match is part of their preparation for world cup qualification as well, every player on that pitch is in serious contention for a starting spot in a world cup qualifications match.
Just emphasising we weren't playing them in a World Cup play-off, like last time we met. And just being cautious about what might happen if the US were to put their A team against us on Wed.
And it was a fine effort.
The Mexico team that destroyed the AWs in the World Cup playoff was also pre-domininantly (if not entirely) Mexico-based players.
I only saw bits and pieces as on baby duty, but from what I saw that was Marco Rojas' best game for the AWs? He seemed to be playing with more conviction.
The ball from Chris Wood to Deklan Wynne that lead to the goal was very well measured (good feet for a big man) - Wynne's cross would have been 5 foot behind Rojas had it not have taken a deflection.
Every time we had the ball in good areas in injury time, we gave away a foul - seemed like we lost control of the ball, then needlessly gave away free kicks.
Like I say, I haven't seen much of the game (maybe I'll try to watch a reply at work - ctrl-alt-del when the boss is near).
Some of these All Whites might even be playing their way into a Phoenix shirt
definite penalty, watch it again. His foot got stood on and his boot ripped off. Pretty hard to run or stand up when that happens.
It wasn't a collision of legs, Wynne stood on his foot. Why do you think the boot came flying off? And the intent doesn't matter to whether or not it is a foul, it's the players actions that count.
Mexico B 2 All Whites 1 Fine effort.
So are we playing USA A or B?
We could get to the final in a world cup which Wellington is hosting, beat Brazil 10-0 (with a Brokie hat trick) in a match where the sponsors provided free beer and ice cream, and people will still find ways to belittle it.
It wasn't Mexico B, they aren't playing us to do us a favor, this match is part of their preparation for world cup qualification as well, every player on that pitch is in serious contention for a starting spot in a world cup qualifications match.
Just emphasising we weren't playing them in a World Cup play-off, like last time we met. And just being cautious about what might happen if the US were to put their A team against us on Wed.
And it was a fine effort.
I think that's fair, there is a different intensity to a full competition game than a friendly - think how relentless Mexico were in the 5-1 game. They just did not stop
the questions is though... are we better now than when we were then, are we more able to compete now?
Really positive display by the AW's.
Mexico have a really good record this year - we are only the fifth team to score against them this year in twelve matches (against ten different countries). They've kept seven clean sheets and only lost once (the 7-0 anomaly to Chile in the Copa America Centenario quarter-final). Leaving aside the Copa America collapse, Mexico had only conceded three goals in the previous eleven games.
Collective caps of the Mexico starting eleven: 284 (three were on debut as indicated below)
Caps of the individual players:
43
0 27 0
16
9 0
14 33
91 51
Loved the way our AW were aggressive for most of the game, loved the atmosphere didn't know that many mexicans lived in that area, the only disappointing factor for me was the referee, he looked mexcian too lolz
Loved the way our AW were aggressive for most of the game, loved the atmosphere didn't know that many mexicans lived in that area, the only disappointing factor for me was the referee, he looked mexcian too lolz
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Husdon has really stamped the culture of the team in my opinion . There is no more people thinking they will get into the national team every time just like that . players really have to fight for a spot in the team .
Good point - this is the flipside of "he cheapens the jersey by picking too many different players". As opposed to Ricki who might have still been picking Tony Lochhead 3 years after his death.
Loved the way our AW were aggressive for most of the game, loved the atmosphere didn't know that many mexicans lived in that area, the only disappointing factor for me was the referee, he looked mexcian too lolz
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I don't think you'd make it out in one piece wearing a 'I love Donald Trump' shirt to that game!
the questions is though... are we better now than when we were then, are we more able to compete now?
This. I'd hate to see these same guys freeze or revert to hoof-ball in games that matter.
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the questions is though... are we better now than when we were then, are we more able to compete now?
This. I'd hate to see these same guys freeze or revert to hoof-ball in games that matter.
NB - Just read this -
"If anybody thought New Zealand was going to be a cakewalk, it wasn't. It was not just that Mexico were essentially playing a B team, it was that fact that NZ played a superb game. they were aggressive. They pressed hard, almost subconsciously stopping Mexico playing from the back.
New Zealand also looked much sturdier than El Tri. Coach Anthony Hudson showed he is tactically shrewd. On the rare occasions that NZ moved the ball forward, Mexico was always caught for the second ball.
If this game was supposed to make the manager reassess his base for the November 11th call up against the US, when the dust settles there might not be one player that benefited from from Saturday's match. El Tri certainly have decent squad depth, yet it will be tough to see anybody from Saturday start against the Stars and Stripes.
Whether it is Trinidad and Tobago or Honduras, the game had plenty of reminders that teams in the Hexagonal will play much the same way. The effect of this game for (coach) Juan Carlos Osario may be more important than people think."
- Rafael Diaz ruminates online in www.mexicanfut.com
This was some good effort, well done. I think that is what we should could expect from the team. A bit of structured football and a good fight. Everything they did NOT showed at the OFC. There is small glimmer of hope if they show more of this against the USA. But at one point we have to win games, too. This goes still as a loss into Wikipedia, right?
It goes as whatever we want it to go as in Wikipedia. That's the point of Wikipedia.
Is there a column for 'moral victory' in Wikipedia ? :)
In a game where a lot of players would have been blue bricking it. Not bad. The nerves were there to see. Lewis and Wood passing to no one in particular for the first ten minutes. Then some possession - and if not for a poor finish after twinkle toes and hard work done, coupled with the usual lack of knowledge of the off side law - this game could have been even closer. I wonder if Moss, Smith, Thomas, Smeltz and Tuiloma could have made it even harder for the Mexicans?
In a game where a lot of players would have been blue bricking it. Not bad. The nerves were there to see. Lewis and Wood passing to no one in particular for the first ten minutes. Then some possession - and if not for a poor finish after twinkle toes and hard work done, coupled with the usual lack of knowledge of the off side law - this game could have been even closer. I wonder if Moss, Smith, Thomas, Smeltz and Tuiloma could have made it even harder for the Mexicans?
Add Boyd into that equation and you have almost six potential starters if injuries crop up.
In a game where a lot of players would have been blue bricking it. Not bad. The nerves were there to see. Lewis and Wood passing to no one in particular for the first ten minutes. Then some possession - and if not for a poor finish after twinkle toes and hard work done, coupled with the usual lack of knowledge of the off side law - this game could have been even closer. I wonder if Moss, Smith, Thomas, Smeltz and Tuiloma could have made it even harder for the Mexicans?
Add Boyd into that equation and you have almost six potential starters if injuries crop up.
In my opinion, I would never pick Smeltz again. Only because in games against Mexico and USA, you would want to pick young players who would be around for the All Whites for a longer period of time.
Monty Patterson in my opinion is worth giving more of a look in, than Smetlz who is 35 and will most likely retire in 1-2 years.
I wouldn't have picked Fallon if I was the coach, but thats only my view.
Thomas for Kosta, Tuiloma for Lewis and Smith for Boxall probably all changes Hudson would have made. Smeltz is probably reduced to a sub role with this team, if he wants it. Clearly Hudson wants Rory for that, if chasing a late goal, but also for off-field morale. Is Moss clearly better than Marinovic? You'd have to sell me on that.
Yes to all of the above. I guess injuries and timing will be the biggest factors dictating the make up of the squad. However, I would select the seasoned pros over the younger players that might kick on, when it comes to an intercontinental play off. The kids have time, after 2017 and qualification, to shine.
I'm a big fan of Patterson - I think he's done quite decent everytime I've seen him.
I really don't understand why Boyd hasn't been given a chance too.
Is there a stream online of this game?
Is there a stream online of this game?
Might be slightly late mate