I dont follow world football, but do european teams play teams from outside europe very much now?
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Yes.
I dont follow world football, but do european teams play teams from outside europe very much now?
Yes they do right now but with the proposed new system your plan, while decent on paper would be sunk. It spells trouble for Aussie too as they do play a lot of games in England and Wales vs British and other EU teams.
All good, was just an idea, guess it wouldn't work.
Still think playing Fiji at Mt Smart would get a significant crowd in...
But we get competitive games against them anyway, no point arranging a friendly.
Don't know where is best to post this but Tim Brown was on radio sport this morning talking about the state of NZF. Was a good listen, he was pretty blunt and is pretty unhappy about the world cup review process
Good idea TbdFSOE. Countries like Jamaica, Trinidad and Canada do that a lot and I'm sure that Australia have too in the past.
I think playing games in Europe could work, the proposed Euro Nations League will still leave nations without a game in some FIFA windows.
That got me thinking who would make a euro squad...
GK- Gleeson, Basalaj, Moss
DF- Reid, Smith, Lochhead, Durante, Hogg
MD- Henderson, James, Keat, Tuiloma, Thomas, McGlinchey, Payne, Howieson
FD- Wood, Fallon, Judd, Paterson, Rojas
Oceania/Asia squad...
GK- Moss, Williams, Spoonley
DF- Sigmund, Fenton, Roux, Durante, Adams, Fitzgerald, Boxall, Musa
MD- Clapham, Ridenton, Hicks,
FD- Barbarouses, Killen, Boyd, Brockie
Fill in the gaps as req
One problem with that system, as the Yanks have found in recent games, is that it can be difficult to get a cohesive side when you bring them all together. I think that to put a properly competitive side together we need a core squad that gets selected for all except maybe the odd game like the South African one.
I'd be surprised if there were enough Europe-based players for a squad.
There would be, but not of qualityStefan Marinovic would be a sure thing though if Wynton was coach.....
Good on you for keeping his profile raised. Keeper with a proper contract with a proper club.
I'd be surprised if there were enough Europe-based players for a squad.
There would be, but not of qualityStefan Marinovic would be a sure thing though if Wynton was coach.....
Good on you for keeping his profile raised. Keeper with a proper contract with a proper club.
Being a reserve keeper at 1860 Munich, one of the biggest clubs in Germany's Second Div. ain't so bad surely for a 22 year-old.
Didn't get to play much for the reserves this season though - one start on 16/5/14:
and one game on the bench on 24/5/14:
1860 Munich II (reserves) play in the same league as Bayern Munich and Augsburg's reserve teams.
1860 Munich II (reserves) have seven goalkeepers on their books. Marinovic is fourth choice keeper. Squad stats:
http://au.soccerway.com/teams/germany/tsv-1860-munchen-ii/5521/squad/
Surely he'd be ahead of Tamati Williams.
Sepp Blatter offering a 'bribe' to Oceania?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10142360/Fifa-boss-Sepp-Blatter-no-longer-man-for-the-job
Underlining deep divisions within Fifa over how to manage the Qatar scandal and whether Blatter should stay on, he won resounding support from delegates from Oceania, North America and the Caribbean during meetings in Sao Paulo.
''We will all be behind you if you stand again,'' David Chung, president of the Oceania Football Confederation (OFC), told Blatter, referring to his expected candidacy which could see him stay in charge until 2019, when he will be 83.
Members of the Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf) stood to applaud the Swiss after his address to them, as Blatter's bid for re-election remained on track despite Fifa's problems.
''I thank you for this support. I thank you, and this inspires me to continue at the helm of Fifa,'' Blatter told the OFC, leaving officials in little doubt as to his intentions.
Blatter said he would look at ''mechanisms'' that would guarantee Oceania a direct qualifying place in future World Cup finals. At the moment the winner of the Oceania qualifying competition enters a final playoff round to gain a spot.
Let's accept the bribe
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
I personally think that is a dumb idea.
You take those half spots, create 1 and give that to OFC, then take the other 3 confeds with the 1 spot and you tell them to play off against each other (since they will whine about it)
The only way we're ever getting more than a half place is if the tournament expands beyond 32 teams. We'll never get that extra half spot if it comes at the cost of another federation.
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Will happen for sure imo. Platini on record suggesting WC finals having 8 groups of 5 instead of 4 so only one extra game needed per team, which is no big deal.
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Will happen for sure imo. Platini on record suggesting WC finals having 8 groups of 5 instead of 4 so only one extra game needed per team, which is no big deal.
But how much longer would the WC drag on for. Thats a lot more games in total then now even if each team only plays 1 more group game.
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Platini advcated the idea and so do I. The OFC has always been denied a spot of their own. Also I don't think a team outside UEFA or CONMEBOL will win the FIFA World Cup because over half the teams in the FIFA World Cup come from Europe/South America.
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Will happen for sure imo. Platini on record suggesting WC finals having 8 groups of 5 instead of 4 so only one extra game needed per team, which is no big deal.
But how much longer would the WC drag on for. Thats a lot more games in total then now even if each team only plays 1 more group game.
If my usually dodgy maths are correct, with the current three games a day model it would be eight days longer. You can cut that by playing more than one game on the opening day and playing four in a day, as will happen one day this weekend.
I thought Blatter did that for Oceania before Germany got the Finals awarded to them for 2006, Dempsey supported him and then after Germany got them, the qualification thing got revoked and everyone got pissed off with Dempsey for supporting him?
I don't want an automatic spot at a long and lame World Cup. This current format is a good one. Every game is a potentially good and there are usually on one or two lame teams at most. Platini is LAME and I hope he never becomes FIFA boss.
Really like the current format. It's classy.
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Will happen for sure imo. Platini on record suggesting WC finals having 8 groups of 5 instead of 4 so only one extra game needed per team, which is no big deal.
But how much longer would the WC drag on for. Thats a lot more games in total then now even if each team only plays 1 more group game.
Plus it creates more pointless group games. Groups of 4 keeps it exciting and 'cut throat' with just about every game being crucial for someone.
Let's accept the bribe
Soon to be Oceania's new motto !!
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Platini advcated the idea and so do I. The OFC has always been denied a spot of their own. Also I don't think a team outside UEFA or CONMEBOL will win the FIFA World Cup because over half the teams in the FIFA World Cup come from Europe/South America.
Well that confirms it's a bad idea.
That's kinda how I read it as well. Vote for me and once again, I will promise you direct entry to the WC, which I have not delivered yet despite of my previous promises to do so.
I do suspect that if a rival candidate promised the same thing, Chung would be all over that too....
There was talk recently of increasing the number of teams competing at the WC to 40 teams which opens up a permanent spot for Oceania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Possible_expansion_to_40_teams
Platini advcated the idea and so do I. The OFC has always been denied a spot of their own. Also I don't think a team outside UEFA or CONMEBOL will win the FIFA World Cup because over half the teams in the FIFA World Cup come from Europe/South America.
Well that confirms it's a bad idea.
You easily add a few more European berths and not decrease the competition, don't know about adding more from Asia though or guarantying oceania. It would be good for NZ football obviously, but I kind of think that we shouldn't take the easy way out and that we should get to the world cup battle hardened so that we can have a shot of getting out of our group. Confederations cup is already a big advantage.
I don't want automatic qualification and a four yearly thrashing. I want an established qualifying path that gives us regular meaningful football against good opposition so that if we do qualify we have had a decent buildup, and we can see meaningful games in NZ more than once maybe every four years.
I don't want automatic qualification and a four yearly thrashing. I want an established qualifying path that gives us regular meaningful football against good opposition so that if we do qualify we have had a decent buildup, and we can see meaningful games in NZ more than once maybe every four years.
I'll take the automatic qualification I reckon. My reason? Money. You guys can forget regular football without it. How many windows do we miss out on? Most of them. I don't give a shit if it makes for a few more uninteresting games, plenty of quality countries missed out. Throw in a few more spots for UEFA. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Ireland, Slovakia, Czech Republic all missed out to name a few. 1 each to everyone else - Paraguay, Panama, NZ, Jordan, Egypt all capable of results.
I don't see how other confeds would want to incorporate us into their qualifying at the expense of their own nations missing out. We're pretty much going to be stuck with this 5 place play off type scenario which will work for us 1 out of 6 times. I'm not expecting us back at another WC unless we get an Asian play off again. That could be in 4 years, it could be in 20 years.
And then we can build on that from there. More money for more games in more windows, we'll get better from that alone I reckon.
I don't want automatic qualification and a four yearly thrashing. I want an established qualifying path that gives us regular meaningful football against good opposition so that if we do qualify we have had a decent buildup, and we can see meaningful games in NZ more than once maybe every four years.
I'll take the automatic qualification I reckon. My reason? Money. You guys can forget regular football without it. How many windows do we miss out on? Most of them. I don't give a shit if it makes for a few more uninteresting games, plenty of quality countries missed out. Throw in a few more spots for UEFA. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Ireland, Slovakia, Czech Republic all missed out to name a few. 1 each to everyone else - Paraguay, Panama, NZ, Jordan, Egypt all capable of results.
I don't see how other confeds would want to incorporate us into their qualifying at the expense of their own nations missing out. We're pretty much going to be stuck with this 5 place play off type scenario which will work for us 1 out of 6 times. I'm not expecting us back at another WC unless we get an Asian play off again. That could be in 4 years, it could be in 20 years.
And then we can build on that from there. More money for more games in more windows, we'll get better from that alone I reckon.
That is certainly a very valid arguement to make. The money we would (almost certainly) earn every for years definitely has to be considered. Given the choice between our current situation (as you lay out above) and auto qualification I would absolutely choose auto qualification for Oceania. I would just like to see the top two OFC qualifiers included in the AFC final qualification round, and they absorb our half spot. I really think that is the best of both worlds for both confeds.
plus if Oceania gets a full spot, we'll suddenly be an attractive proposition to merge with asia
I don't want automatic qualification and a four yearly thrashing. I want an established qualifying path that gives us regular meaningful football against good opposition so that if we do qualify we have had a decent buildup, and we can see meaningful games in NZ more than once maybe every four years.
I don't want automatic qualification and a four yearly thrashing. I want an established qualifying path that gives us regular meaningful football against good opposition so that if we do qualify we have had a decent buildup, and we can see meaningful games in NZ more than once maybe every four years.
None, but that doesn't make it ideal does it?
No but it certainly doesn't mean you can't do well without a quality build up. Just as the AWs did in South Africa.
Looking back at who we played in the year prior to the 2010 World Cup, I'm not sure we didn't have quality, regular football. While we did play Tanzania and Botswana in two of our three pre-Confeds games, the other was that epic friendly with Italy, and we went on to lose to Spain and South Africa before drawing with Iraq. We also beat Jordan in Amman before the playoff games against Bahrain. In 2010 we lost to Mexico in LA, lost to Aussie in Melbourne, beat Serbia in Klagenfurt, lost to Slovenia in Maribor, and lost an unofficial game against Chile once we were in South Africa. Between the Confeds and World Cup I think we only missed a couple of international windows, and of the games I listed the only ones who you could consider weak opposition for us were Bostwana and Tanzania, maybe Jordan.
In terms of building up to the playoff for this World Cup, it wasn't until we tanked in the Nations Cup that the frequency and quality of games dipped. As has been pointed out many times before on the forums, the World Cup money helped us for a couple of years, but we needed the money from Confeds qualification to properly build for the second half of the cycle. Between the World Cup and the Nations Cup we played Honduras twice, Paraguay, China, Australia, Jamaica, and El Salvador. After that the Oceania section of qualifying got in the way a bit and we had one friendly against China during the middle of it, and then we had the games in Riyadh and the disaster that was the immediate build-up to the Mexico games. The frequency of games wasn't great in this period but the quality generally was until the end of 2012, however we would have ended up with a lot of quality football last year had the won the Nations Cup.
Unfortuantely, without the money and profile from this World Cup NZF would do well to match that 2010-2012 period in terms of quality and frequency of games, but they have to do better than they did between the 2006 World Cup and 2009 Confeds. Between the draw with Wales in May 2007 and the loss to Thailand in March 2009, we played six games, and they were all Nations Cup/World Cup Qualifiers.
Let's accept the bribe
Soon to be Oceania's new motto !!
Already taken by Bin Hammen when he was in charge of Asia....allegedly
UEFA to have 12.5 and play off with AFC , OFC to have 1 place - rest as it is.
15 months till the All Whites first qualifying games (doubling as OFC Nations Cup games) for Russia 2012.
The new All Whites manager will have 13 months from his first game in charge vs. Uzbekistan in September until the first World Cup qualifier October 2015. Then follows a 13 month qualification campaign. Lets hope 13 is not an unlucky number....
Exciting times! Hope the AW's can get in plenty more friendlies before October next year.
Anyone know when or if OFC will decide to implement the amendment to qualifying at the Stage 3 and 4 semis and finals as below?
OFC World Cup / Nations Cup Schedule:
http://www.oceaniafootball.com/ofc/News/ViewArticl...
The 2018 FIFA World Cup™ Qualifying Tournament will double up as the OFC Nations Cup and will be organised as follows:
Stage 1 Preliminary Round 4 teams, round robin, central tournament (Samoa, American Samoa, Cook Islands, Tonga)
Stage 2 Group Stage 8 teams, 2 groups, 6 home-and-away matches per team (Winner above + NZ, Fiji, New Caledonia, PNG, Solomons, Tahiti, Vanuatu)
Stage 3 Semi-Finals 4 teams, 2 home-and-away matches per team
Stage 4 Final 2 teams, 2 home-and-away matches per team
Seeding and groups to be confirmed by regulation.
Stage 1 – Preliminary Round
Venue TBC
Dates 8-16 June 2015
Teams American Samoa, Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga
Format Round robin – League system
Qualification The winner qualifies to Stage 2
Stage 2 – Group Stage
Dates Match Day 1 and 2 5-13 October 2015
Match Day 3 and 4 21-29 March 2016
Match Day 5 and 6 30 May – 7 June 2016
Format 2 groups of 4 teams playing a round robin, home-and-away basis
Qualification The winner and runner-up of each group qualifies to Stage 3
Stage 3 – Semi-Finals
Dates 29 August – 6 September 2016
Format Group winners will be paired up with runners-up to play 2 matches on home-and-away basis
Qualification The winner of each semi-final series qualifies to Stage 4
Stage 4 – Finals
Dates 7-18 November 2016
Format 2 semi-final winners will play 2 matches on home-and-away basis
Qualification The winner of the final playoff series qualifies for both the FIFA Confederations Cup Russia 2017 and 2018 FIFA World Cup™ Intercontinental Playoff in November 2017.
Stage 3 – Group Stage Finals
Dates Match Day 1 and 2 29 August/6 September 2016
Match Day 3 and 4 3-11 October
Match Day 5 and 6 7-18 November
Format Group winners will play each other on home-and-away league system basis
Qualification The winner of the league qualifies for the FIFA Confederations Cup Russia 2017 (as the OFC Nations Cup winner) and 2018 FIFA World Cup™ Intercontinental Playoff in November 2017.
Let's accept the bribe
Soon to be Oceania's new motto !!
Maybe lou Vincent could be the spokesperson