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How serious do we all think nz football is taking the player payments?? Because some of the silly money that is being thrown around in Chch and I am now hearing in Wellington, seems to be worse than ever....... They say they are going to clamp down and the numbers go up!!!! And not just for senior players. Being a half decent U20 player has been turn into a commodity. 

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Does NZ Football actually have power to audit player payments? If a player is being paid as a "coach" at a club, does NZ Football have any powers to investigate?

Probably a red herring anyway - I doubt they'd have resources to properly investigate and prosecute.

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Unless they have the power or resources to audit financials of all clubs in the Northern, Central and Southern leagues six monthly/annually - then any talk about stamping out player payments is just that worthless talk.

And if they are auditing the clubs, and do find evidence of illegal payments, they have to take action. Points deduction, relegation or whatever. Otherwise again it all becomes a bit of a joke.

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The Document (Maybe outdated now)

The types of entities permitted entry into the men’s national leagues are as follows: 

CLUB – affiliated member of New Zealand Football or Federation of New Zealand Football 

NATIONAL LEAGUE CLUB – see explanation below 

REGIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAM – representative team of all member clubs of a federation or district association

The National League Club concept will enable the historical standalone national league entities (franchises), as well as any current or new clubs, to establish a partnership with a community club or clubs affiliated to a member federation through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU). This would be in a form approved by New Zealand Football and the federation with the purpose of delivering, in whole or in part, the Talent Perform pathway of the Whole of Football Plan. 

The mixed-model concept, in particular the types of entities permitted to participate in the national league, aims to further connect the game by driving greater partnerships and collaboration between the national league entities and community clubs. To view the Whole of Football Plan please click here

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Blew.2 wrote:

The Document (Maybe outdated now)

The types of entities permitted entry into the men’s national leagues are as follows: 

CLUB – affiliated member of New Zealand Football or Federation of New Zealand Football 

NATIONAL LEAGUE CLUB – see explanation below 

REGIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAM – representative team of all member clubs of a federation or district association

The National League Club concept will enable the historical standalone national league entities (franchises), as well as any current or new clubs, to establish a partnership with a community club or clubs affiliated to a member federation through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU). This would be in a form approved by New Zealand Football and the federation with the purpose of delivering, in whole or in part, the Talent Perform pathway of the Whole of Football Plan. 

The mixed-model concept, in particular the types of entities permitted to participate in the national league, aims to further connect the game by driving greater partnerships and collaboration between the national league entities and community clubs. To view the Whole of Football Plan please click here

this was for the plan before the new one so really is irrevelant now

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Out of Date As well ?

If so what is the NEW?

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Blew.2 wrote:

Out of Date As well ?

If so what is the NEW?

this

"....The incumbent standalone national league entities (franchises) will be able compete in the NLS through either affiliating as a new member club of a federation under the relevant rules or amalgamating with an existing member club. As a transitional measure to allow an appropriate timeframe for such changes, in 2021 a national league entity may enter into a partnership with an existing member club through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) approved by NZF and the federation. For the sake of clarity, any partnership means that all players are registered with the partner club and that, should the partner club qualify for the championship, the partner club could operate under the national league entity brand.....".


so actually pretty much the same but no regional rep teams (well except for in the Women's league)

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Blew.2 wrote:

Out of Date As well ?

If so what is the NEW?

this

"....The incumbent standalone national league entities (franchises) will be able compete in the NLS through either affiliating as a new member club of a federation under the relevant rules or amalgamating with an existing member club. As a transitional measure to allow an appropriate timeframe for such changes, in 2021 a national league entity may enter into a partnership with an existing member club through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) approved by NZF and the federation. For the sake of clarity, any partnership means that all players are registered with the partner club and that, should the partner club qualify for the championship, the partner club could operate under the national league entity brand.....".


so actually pretty much the same but no regional rep teams (well except for in the Women's league)

So ACFC, Eastern Suburbs n TW can play on in Name.

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Blew.2 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Out of Date As well ?

If so what is the NEW?

this

"....The incumbent standalone national league entities (franchises) will be able compete in the NLS through either affiliating as a new member club of a federation under the relevant rules or amalgamating with an existing member club. As a transitional measure to allow an appropriate timeframe for such changes, in 2021 a national league entity may enter into a partnership with an existing member club through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) approved by NZF and the federation. For the sake of clarity, any partnership means that all players are registered with the partner club and that, should the partner club qualify for the championship, the partner club could operate under the national league entity brand.....".


so actually pretty much the same but no regional rep teams (well except for in the Women's league)

So ACFC, Eastern Suburbs n TW can play on in Name.

well Eastern Suburbs are a club so will be playing on in name anyway

Auckland City registered as a club with AFF last season so they will likely merge with Central

Team Wellington - you'd be better placed to know whats happening there

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So my understanding of the national league system for 2021:

NRFL Premier (12 teams) - Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Birkenhead United, Central United, Eastern Suburbs, Hamilton Wanderers, Manukau United, Melville United, Northern Rovers, North Shore, West Coast Rangers, Western Springs. Likely playing home and away, top four take part in the National League. 

Central League (10 teams) - Lower Hutt, Miramar Rangers, Napier City Rovers, North Wellington, Petone, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Waterside Karori, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs. Likely playing home and away, top three take part in the National League. 

Mainland Prem (8 teams) - Cashmere Tech, Christchurch United, Coastal Spirit, Ferrymead Bays, Halswell United, Nelson Suburbs, Nomads United, Selwyn United. Likely home and away. Top five take part in the South Island League alongside three Southern teams, which plays a round robin with top two going to the National League.

Southern Prem (8 teams) - Green Island, Mosgiel, Northern, Otago Uni, Queenstown, Roslyn-Wakari, South City Royals, Wanaka. Home and away. Top three take part in the South Island League alongside five Mainland teams, which plays a round robin with top two going to the National League.

Wellington Phoenix Reserves also compete in the National League.

Have I missed anything or does anyone have any more info to add? Is this a fair/good system and how long do we think it will last?

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lsmith1001 wrote:

So my understanding of the national league system for 2021:

NRFL Premier (12 teams) - Auckland United, Bay Olympic, Birkenhead United, Central United, Eastern Suburbs, Hamilton Wanderers, Manukau United, Melville United, Northern Rovers, North Shore, West Coast Rangers, Western Springs. Likely playing home and away, top four take part in the National League. 

Central League (10 teams) - Lower Hutt, Miramar Rangers, Napier City Rovers, North Wellington, Petone, Wainuiomata, Wairarapa United, Waterside Karori, Wellington Olympic, Western Suburbs. Likely playing home and away, top three take part in the National League. 

Mainland Prem (8 teams) - Cashmere Tech, Christchurch United, Coastal Spirit, Ferrymead Bays, Halswell United, Nelson Suburbs, Nomads United, Selwyn United. Likely home and away. Top five take part in the South Island League alongside three Southern teams, which plays a round robin with top two going to the National League.

Southern Prem (8 teams) - Green Island, Mosgiel, Northern, Otago Uni, Queenstown, Roslyn-Wakari, South City Royals, Wanaka. Home and away. Top three take part in the South Island League alongside five Mainland teams, which plays a round robin with top two going to the National League.

Wellington Phoenix Reserves also compete in the National League.

Have I missed anything or does anyone have any more info to add? Is this a fair/good system and how long do we think it will last?

I can confirm all those leagues are home and away leagues.

Central United are likely to play as Auckland City.

NRFL Premier Division starts March 26/27. Central League starts March 27. Mainland Premier League starts March 19. Southern Premier League starts March 16. The South Island Football Championship will start either July 10 or (more likely) July 17. 

It's not entirely clear yet when the national championship phase will start, but at the earliest it will be September 18 (and more likely September 25 or even likelier still October 2).

The Chatham Cup dates this year are April 25 for the preliminary round, May 15 for round one, June 7 for round two, June 19 for round three, July 10 for round four, July 31 for the quarterfinals, August 21 for the semifinals, and September 12 for the final.

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Apart from the lowering of standards by the dilution of talent the other issue is potential player burnout.

Franchises that reach the playoffs in the Premiership and then move to their clubs are likely to have no break between the competitions. Given that there was little break between the last winter season and the Premiership then some players are going to play 3 seasons back to back ?We are talking about 60 games back to back potentially for amateur players ?

Clubs like Central , Hamilton Wanderers , Napier city Rovers , Miramar Rangers , Olympic , Cashmere Tech could be at a disadvantadge here. 

Not forgetting administrators , largely volunteers who will have been going for over 12 months

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Oh and I forgot Eastern Suburbs as well and maybe Western Springs ?

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chubbs wrote:

Apart from the lowering of standards by the dilution of talent the other issue is potential player burnout.

Franchises that reach the playoffs in the Premiership and then move to their clubs are likely to have no break between the competitions. Given that there was little break between the last winter season and the Premiership then some players are going to play 3 seasons back to back ?We are talking about 60 games back to back potentially for amateur players ?

Clubs like Central , Hamilton Wanderers , Napier city Rovers , Miramar Rangers , Olympic , Cashmere Tech could be at a disadvantadge here. 

Not forgetting administrators , largely volunteers who will have been going for over 12 months

I was talking to a coach of one of those teams this weekend and he mentioned this exactly as an issue. Said he would love to give players a rest but practically speaking it depends on squad depth and is unlikely. Feels the overlap is hard to manage too for pre season planning as the current premiership players if they play sam/finals are not part of any of it and makes it very disjointed. 

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I guess the good news is that this is the last season where that will be a problem, right? Summer months will by and large be free under the "Champions League" model, allowing player to rest or play NPL as they see fit

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Nelfoos wrote:

I guess the good news is that this is the last season where that will be a problem, right? Summer months will by and large be free under the "Champions League" model, allowing player to rest or play NPL as they see fit

This.

While I feel it was a mistake to not give the new system some clear air (it technically starts 48 hours after the ISPS Handa Men's Premiership final!) we've been operating in an overlapping, 12-month long environment for 17 years now and come the end of the 2021 season there will be a proper off-season for the first time since 2003. It's up to coaches and players to manage themselves during the 2021 season the same way they have for the past 17 years. 

There will be about a month's break between the end of the regional premier leagues and the Chatham Cup and the start of the national championship phase too.

The only clubs with something truly significant at stake in 2021 (those fighting for the eight places in the South Island Football Championship, who will then occupy those places in 2022) will only have a handful (if that) of 2020-21 national league players anyway.

And chubbs, it's worth remembering Auckland and Hamilton clubs stopped playing at the start of August during the 2020 winter, so they had a pretty long break before the 2020-21 national league. 

That leaves Miramar/Team Wellington as the only entity that will really be pulling a long winter-summer-winter shift.

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Double post.

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from a NRF club point of view this is how they laid out the season dates (some of this is subject to change) 



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Nelfoos wrote:

I guess the good news is that this is the last season where that will be a problem, right? Summer months will by and large be free under the "Champions League" model, allowing player to rest or play NPL as they see fit

This^^

One of the goals of the changes was addressing player burnout, which has been voiced by players.

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